Steelcan wrote...
. Cerberus was also interested in results.....Auintus wrote...
Cerberus did worse. The Reapers are interested in efficiency and results. They have their purpose and they fulfill it. They do not cause pain without reason, though their reason is highly questionable.
www.youtube.com/watchAuintus wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Legion disagrees with you about the reapers, his description of them in ME2 disprove that. He reapers are a conglomeration of minds, not merely rememberence of the lost civilizations.
Really? Fascinating, must've missed that.
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. Why would Cerberus huskification be any slower than reaper huskification? I didn't see any dragon's teeth in Sanctuary eitherAuintus wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
. Cerberus was also interested in results.....Auintus wrote...
Cerberus did worse. The Reapers are interested in efficiency and results. They have their purpose and they fulfill it. They do not cause pain without reason, though their reason is highly questionable.
They took the long, painful process so that they could study it. The Reapers make it quick. A sort of mercy, if you will.
DeinonSlayer wrote...
They weren't on the front lines. The Geth simply didn't discriminate who they targeted after a certain point. It's not explicitly stated, but it's easily derived.
"The Geth killed billions and drove us from our homeworld. Most Quarians believe we've paid adequately for our mistake."
- Tali, ME1 elevator conversation
"We do not judge the creators' anger towards us. We did them great harm in the Morning War."
- Legion, ME2
Pre-Morning War population is "billions," plural. Current Flotilla population is 17 million, with zero population growth legally enforced since the exile so as not to strain their resources. Do the math, and that comes out to a 99.15% casualty rate, minimum. Timestamps in the Consensus mission tell us the war lasted a single year. Legion tells us the Geth are clearing "toxins" from a ground war that ended centuries earlier. An editorial heard in the Spectre office after Thessia describes the Morning War as an "unthinkable slaughter." It's not hard to connect the dots.
Steelcan wrote...
Why would Cerberus huskification be any slower than reaper huskification? I didn't see any dragon's teeth in Sanctuary eitherAuintus wrote...
They took the long, painful process so that they could study it. The Reapers make it quick. A sort of mercy, if you will.
. Source? Also people are put on spikes and skewered, not exactly merciful...Auintus wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Why would Cerberus huskification be any slower than reaper huskification? I didn't see any dragon's teeth in Sanctuary eitherAuintus wrote...
They took the long, painful process so that they could study it. The Reapers make it quick. A sort of mercy, if you will.
Can't remember where, but at some point it is stated that dragon's teeth are quicker, while the tanks that Cerberus uses result in a slower transformation.
Bill Casey wrote...
www.youtube.com/watch
Reapers are organic/synthetic hybrids...
This is heavily alluded to in Mass Effect 1 and confirmed in Mass Effect 2...
TheScott1987 wrote...
Never understood the "preserve culture" thing. Reapers obviously have no use or care for it, and it's not like they're reading bedtime stories from millennium ago before they wipe out a planet so what's the point? Also, you don't hear about them (I might be wrong) gathering tons of Asari to preserve them - is it just humans? Sounds like an excuse / lie made to make annihilating races sound slightly better.
"The Geth are better than this!"Auintus wrote...
After a point, especially considering the youth of the Geth, discrimination would be seen as crippling. Any Quarian could potentially attack them. Once the Quarians fled, the Geth did not persue. Until then, they were a threat, especially once the few geth sympathizers were killed or defected.
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Steelcan wrote...
. We kill them for what they have done.jtav wrote...
But they can be and are also used as construction crews. We don't kill people for what they might do later.
Steelcan wrote...
Auintus wrote...
Can't remember where, but at some point it is stated that dragon's teeth are quicker, while the tanks that Cerberus uses result in a slower transformation.
Source? Also people are put on spikes and skewered, not exactly merciful...
DeinonSlayer wrote...
"The Geth are better than this!"
"No. Empirical evidence would suggest we are not."
You don't kill 99% of any population in "self-defense" unless you're a collective entity which fails to perceive them as individuals. As soon as the majority of public opinion turned on them (after they started killing in targeted self-defense), they perceived the entire Quarian species as a threat and didn't stop killing until the last of them fled the planet. It was basically a massive misunderstanding on the part of the Geth, but the fact remains they responded to an attempted genocide with a successful one.
. They are indoctrinated, what do we do with indoctrinated people, Udina, TIM, Saren, Amanda Kenson, Benezia, Rana Thanoptis, ect....HYR 2.0 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
. We kill them for what they have done.jtav wrote...
But they can be and are also used as construction crews. We don't kill people for what they might do later.
Most courts of law would not find the Reapers guilty, given the catalyst.
It would fall under "diminished responsibility" since they are mentally impaired.
I really, REALLY don't want to get into this again. Think of it this way: Israel is the most militarized nation on Earth. Service is compulsory for both men and women. Their military (including reserves) is still only 7.75% of the population. Draft everyone physically fit for fighting, and you bring it up to 35%. Neither of these figures is 99%. Also see the addition I made to my last post. Legion doesn't represent what the Quarians were fighting back then - the VI doesn't give a rat's ass how many civilians it kills.Auintus wrote...
DeinonSlayer wrote...
"The Geth are better than this!"
"No. Empirical evidence would suggest we are not."
You don't kill 99% of any population in "self-defense" unless you're a collective entity which fails to perceive them as individuals. As soon as the majority of public opinion turned on them (after they started killing in targeted self-defense), they perceived the entire Quarian species as a threat and didn't stop killing until the last of them fled the planet. It was basically a massive misunderstanding on the part of the Geth, but the fact remains they responded to an attempted genocide with a successful one.
So if someone tries to kill me and I succeed in killing him, I'm still at fault?
Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 10 décembre 2012 - 07:28 .
. YouTube is wonderful.Auintus wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Auintus wrote...
Can't remember where, but at some point it is stated that dragon's teeth are quicker, while the tanks that Cerberus uses result in a slower transformation.
Source? Also people are put on spikes and skewered, not exactly merciful...
Note the bolded section, but I'll play back through the game to see if I can find that one line of dialogue.
Mercy is relative. A knife to the heart is mercy compared to live disection.
Steelcan wrote...
. They are indoctrinated, what do we do with indoctrinated people, Udina, TIM, Saren, Amanda Kenson, Benezia, Rana Thanoptis, ect....HYR 2.0 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
. We kill them for what they have done.jtav wrote...
But they can be and are also used as construction crews. We don't kill people for what they might do later.
Most courts of law would not find the Reapers guilty, given the catalyst.
It would fall under "diminished responsibility" since they are mentally impaired.
We don't let them run off scot free.
The Reapers appear to be acting entirely willingly. There's no evidence of any coercion, they appear to be completely in agreement with what they're doing. Of course they were built to be like that. What would the courts do to someone who had been raised to be a complete **** but who was clearly not mentally impaired in any way?Steelcan wrote...
. They are indoctrinated, what do we do with indoctrinated people, Udina, TIM, Saren, Amanda Kenson, Benezia, Rana Thanoptis, ect....HYR 2.0 wrote...
Most courts of law would not find the Reapers guilty, given the catalyst.
It would fall under "diminished responsibility" since they are mentally impaired.
We don't let them run off scot free.
DeinonSlayer wrote...
I really, REALLY don't want to get into this again. Think of it this way: Israel is the most militarized nation on Earth. Service is compulsory for both men and women. Their military (including reserves) is still only 7.75% of the population. Draft everyone physically fit for fighting, and you bring it up to 35%. Neither of these figures is 99%. Also see the addition I made to my last post. Legion doesn't represent what the Quarians were fighting back then - the VI doesn't give a rat's ass how many civilians it kills.
. I already answered jtav, that was a response to you.HYR 2.0 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
are indoctrinated, what do we do with indoctrinated people, Udina, TIM, Saren, Amanda Kenson, Benezia, Rana Thanoptis, ect....
We don't let them run off scot free.
Handling the indoctrinated wasn't what you were talking about (in your response to jtav).
Reorte wrote...
The Reapers appear to be acting entirely willingly. There's no evidence of any coercion, they appear to be completely in agreement with what they're doing. Of course they were built to be like that. What would the courts do to someone who had been raised to be a complete **** but who was clearly not mentally impaired in any way?Steelcan wrote...
. They are indoctrinated, what do we do with indoctrinated people, Udina, TIM, Saren, Amanda Kenson, Benezia, Rana Thanoptis, ect....HYR 2.0 wrote...
Most courts of law would not find the Reapers guilty, given the catalyst.
It would fall under "diminished responsibility" since they are mentally impaired.
We don't let them run off scot free.
Steelcan wrote...
. I already answered jtav, that was a response to you.HYR 2.0 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
are indoctrinated, what do we do with indoctrinated people, Udina, TIM, Saren, Amanda Kenson, Benezia, Rana Thanoptis, ect....
We don't let them run off scot free.
Handling the indoctrinated wasn't what you were talking about (in your response to jtav).
. "When fire burns is it at war?" I inferred that he meant that the reapers were just tools like fire.Reorte wrote...
The Reapers appear to be acting entirely willingly. There's no evidence of any coercion, they appear to be completely in agreement with what they're doing. Of course they were built to be like that. What would the courts do to someone who had been raised to be a complete **** but who was clearly not mentally impaired in any way?Steelcan wrote...
. They are indoctrinated, what do we do with indoctrinated people, Udina, TIM, Saren, Amanda Kenson, Benezia, Rana Thanoptis, ect....HYR 2.0 wrote...
Most courts of law would not find the Reapers guilty, given the catalyst.
It would fall under "diminished responsibility" since they are mentally impaired.
We don't let them run off scot free.
. Yes, and we should. We should kill them for what they have done, indoctrination is not an excuse, if anything it's another reason to kill themHYR 2.0 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
. I already answered jtav, that was a response to you.HYR 2.0 wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
are indoctrinated, what do we do with indoctrinated people, Udina, TIM, Saren, Amanda Kenson, Benezia, Rana Thanoptis, ect....
We don't let them run off scot free.
Handling the indoctrinated wasn't what you were talking about (in your response to jtav).
And my response was to the premise of "kill them for what they've done."
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