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"Crashed on Eden" - Guys, BioWare really does like Synthesis... *Updated* - Is Synthesis Supposed to be the Best Ending?


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Icinix wrote...

Like a dog with his tale between his legs. I guess you get "sickened" by "story development" then? Were you equally "sickened" when she was a Tesla coil for no apparent reason?

Stick with your viewpoint or don't, but this is just a sad display.

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Bill Casey wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

If it's the writers' favorite ending, then it's likely that they were trying to make some kind of point with it. At this time, I'm not sure exactly what message they were trying to convey with Synthesis. Also, it's kind of weird to have the fanbase reject the "best" ending, if that's what Synthesis really is.


The ending is the player verses indoctrination...
It's ****ing brilliantly written...


When, if ever, has the series shown indoctrination as an event where the victim CHOOSES to become indoctrinated?

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MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Like a dog with his tale between his legs. I guess you get "sickened" by "story development" then? Were you equally "sickened" when she was a Tesla coil for no apparent reason?

Stick with your viewpoint or don't, but this is just a sad display.


You are a rather amusing fellow.

I am sticking with my view. I hate EDI's body. Sorry that offends you so deeply.

But you know, keep fighting the good fight precious!

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Icinix wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Like a dog with his tale between his legs. I guess you get "sickened" by "story development" then? Were you equally "sickened" when she was a Tesla coil for no apparent reason?

Stick with your viewpoint or don't, but this is just a sad display.


You are a rather amusing fellow.

I am sticking with my view. I hate EDI's body. Sorry that offends you so deeply.

But you know, keep fighting the good fight precious!

Just think if the ship AI's voice were tuned two octaves lower and it was named EDDI. :P

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DeinonSlayer wrote...

Icinix wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Like a dog with his tale between his legs. I guess you get "sickened" by "story development" then? Were you equally "sickened" when she was a Tesla coil for no apparent reason?

Stick with your viewpoint or don't, but this is just a sad display.


You are a rather amusing fellow.

I am sticking with my view. I hate EDI's body. Sorry that offends you so deeply.

But you know, keep fighting the good fight precious!

Just think if the ship AI's voice were tuned two octaves lower and it was named EDDI. :P


I loved Stealth. That movie ended up being way better than I expected it to be. That music piece at the end when he saves Flash from Wing Commander - I choke up everytime.

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Screw the debate over the preferred ending. What freaking planet are they on and, more importantly, why? What is the purpose of this scene? It's probably a metaphor, it might imply a "full circle" by ending up back at Eden Prime but.. WHY. What is the fraking signficance of it? Give me some context here, Bioware.

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They can only be somewhere in the local cluster, since I don't think you ever see the Normandy go through the relay. I'd stake quite a bit on it not being Eden Prime, and just an 'Adam and Eve' metaphor as previously mentioned.

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And why is there an Adam and Eve metaphor?

When did EDI and Joker become the main characters? I thought this was the end of the SHEPARD trilogy.

Modifié par leonia42, 24 octobre 2012 - 03:47 .


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leonia42 wrote...

Screw the debate over the preferred ending. What freaking planet are they on and, more importantly, why? What is the purpose of this scene? It's probably a metaphor, it might imply a "full circle" by ending up back at Eden Prime but.. WHY. What is the fraking signficance of it? Give me some context here, Bioware.

We see in the Extended Cut that they left Sol via FTL. In Mass Effect canon, there's only one garden world within FTL range - only one plausible destination. Alpha Centauri.

Search "Manswell Expedition" on Cerberus Daily News for details about the planet, and what happened there. Suffice to say, they're less than a single day's travel away from Earth at cruising FTL speed. It'll take a while to rebuild the relays (ten to fifteen years, I think they said at SDCC), but the Normandy can get back to Sol almost immediately.

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leonia42 wrote...

Screw the debate over the preferred ending. What freaking planet are they on and, more importantly, why? What is the purpose of this scene? It's probably a metaphor, it might imply a "full circle" by ending up back at Eden Prime but.. WHY. What is the fraking signficance of it? Give me some context here, Bioware.

For me it envokes a sense of "brave new world"/Eden, and I think that's the sense most people got from it. Of course, that ending does seem like it makes a lot more sense for Synthesis than any of the other endings (The Adam and Eve thing really only works with Joker and EDI, or at least it's strongest with them).


It's not Eden Prime though. Eden Prime doesn't have any moons, and that planet had at least two.

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I wish ME2 squadmates would get their moments too.

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MegaSovereign wrote...

When, if ever, has the series shown indoctrination as an event where the victim CHOOSES to become indoctrinated?

You didn't choose to be indoctrinated...
You don't even know that you are...

You think that you can control the reapers...

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leonia42 wrote...

And why is there an Adam and Eve metaphor?

When did EDI and Joker become the main characters? I thought this was the end of the SHEPARD trilogy.

Because biblically, Adam and Eve were the beginning of everything. Here is a new beginning with organics and synthetics intertwined.

I wonder if their metaphor includes the serpent and the apple, but that'd probably ruin their synthetic utopia.

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Bill Casey wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

When, if ever, has the series shown indoctrination as an event where the victim CHOOSES to become indoctrinated?

You didn't choose to be indoctrinated...
You don't even know that you are...

You think that you can control the reapers...


NO.

I'M IN CONTROL.


Oh wait....now I see it.

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Modifié par MegaSovereign, 24 octobre 2012 - 03:54 .


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GT Zazzerka wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

And why is there an Adam and Eve metaphor?

When did EDI and Joker become the main characters? I thought this was the end of the SHEPARD trilogy.

Because biblically, Adam and Eve were the beginning of everything. Here is a new beginning with organics and synthetics intertwined.

I wonder if their metaphor includes the serpent and the apple, but that'd probably ruin their synthetic utopia.


And the Catalyst is God, and the Shepard sacrificed himself to save the galaxy from its sins. :o

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 24 octobre 2012 - 03:56 .


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In high EMS, the Normandy isn't even damaged and has no reason to land on this mystery planet. But it feels like we're supposed to know what is going on. It does have a "Brave New World" feel but it still feels like we're missing something that would make the scene make more sense. It's the last thing we see before the credits (unless you get the Breath Scene). It makes no god damn sense in relation to the rest of the ending sequence.

So what's going on, is life starting over, was the whole trilogy just a dream, what about the squad-mates that didn't get any explanation during the epilogue sequence, is Shepard on the Normandy, what, what, what. If it's a metaphor, what's the point of the metaphor, what conclusion am I supposed to draw from it?

Meh, artistic intregity. They should have shown Shepard at the end because you know it was her story and all.

Modifié par leonia42, 24 octobre 2012 - 03:55 .


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DeinonSlayer wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Screw the debate over the preferred ending. What freaking planet are they on and, more importantly, why? What is the purpose of this scene? It's probably a metaphor, it might imply a "full circle" by ending up back at Eden Prime but.. WHY. What is the fraking signficance of it? Give me some context here, Bioware.

We see in the Extended Cut that they left Sol via FTL. In Mass Effect canon, there's only one garden world within FTL range - only one plausible destination. Alpha Centauri.

Search "Manswell Expedition" on Cerberus Daily News for details about the planet, and what happened there. Suffice to say, they're less than a single day's travel away from Earth at cruising FTL speed. It'll take a while to rebuild the relays (ten to fifteen years, I think they said at SDCC), but the Normandy can get back to Sol almost immediately.

While that's a cool idea, I'm pretty sure the scene we se depicts the Normandy inside a Relay corridor. The beam moves linearly behind them, and we can see the corridor collapsing behind them at the front of the beam (implying that the corridor is collapsing at the same speed as the speed of the beam [in the corridor's altered frame of reference]). If that's the case, then they really could be anywhere.

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leonia42 wrote...

what conclusion am I supposed to draw from it?


The one you want.  

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MyChemicalBromance wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Screw the debate over the preferred ending. What freaking planet are they on and, more importantly, why? What is the purpose of this scene? It's probably a metaphor, it might imply a "full circle" by ending up back at Eden Prime but.. WHY. What is the fraking signficance of it? Give me some context here, Bioware.

We see in the Extended Cut that they left Sol via FTL. In Mass Effect canon, there's only one garden world within FTL range - only one plausible destination. Alpha Centauri.

Search "Manswell Expedition" on Cerberus Daily News for details about the planet, and what happened there. Suffice to say, they're less than a single day's travel away from Earth at cruising FTL speed. It'll take a while to rebuild the relays (ten to fifteen years, I think they said at SDCC), but the Normandy can get back to Sol almost immediately.

While that's a cool idea, I'm pretty sure the scene we se depicts the Normandy inside a Relay corridor. The beam moves linearly behind them, and we can see the corridor collapsing behind them at the front of the beam (implying that the corridor is collapsing at the same speed as the speed of the beam [in the corridor's altered frame of reference]). If that's the case, then they really could be anywhere.

That's my interpretation, and I'm sticking with it.

*growls defensively*

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 24 octobre 2012 - 03:57 .


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I've been a good girl and speculated for 8 months, when do I get the truth?

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leonia42 wrote...

I've been a good girl and speculated for 8 months, when do I get the truth?

You've already got the truth. It was in you all along.

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I think that it is, or at least it was their "best" ending. 

No one ever said that the ME universe is a representation of their vision of our own galaxy in the future.  If they did then they should be shot. (j/k....kinda :)) It's just science fiction with some fantasy thrown in.  So Synthesis being the best ending shouldn't be a big deal in that regard.  It doesn't seem to line up well with the themes of the trilogy, though, which I assume is what most others take issue with.  You could say that several other aspects from the introduction of Star Child onwards don't either.

Embrace Synthesis.  We are 1 within the Collective.  Can you feel it?  :D

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Think I need a hug you guys.

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leonia42 wrote...

Think I need a hug you guys.

...Oh, what the hell.

*hugs*

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leonia42 wrote...

Think I need a hug you guys.

I've only been doing this speculation thing for two months.. if you've been going for eight..

Is this what I have to look forward to? :crying: