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[Mcfly616]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

It's like the ending of BSG all over again.

and what was wrong with BSG's ending? (excluding anything Starbuck related)

I'll make a short list off the top of my head:

1) The "Opera" vision "payoff" was: there happen to be some people standing next to Anders on a balcony.  This vision was built up over pretty much the entire show for that?

2) A complete misunderstanding of "Mitochondrial Eve" on the writers' parts.

3) Cylon leader abruptly committing suicide because...?  I don't know, I guess we were running out of air time?

4) The numbers/song as coordinates for our Earth?  Really?  Cheesy as hell.  This is more of a taste thing I guess, but man it just didn't hit me as the revalatory payoff that the writers obviously thought it was.

1. That scene was signifying that the final 5 had to come together. They were the key to solving everything(unfortunately that didn't happen because of Kabel)...

2. Mito....what??

3. Either that or get sucked into a blackhole.....what would you choose? I'd bite the bullet too.

4. You're right. this one is a matter of taste. (I'm actually a big fan of that song: "All Along the Watchtower". And the words to it play right along with the overall plot of the series. To be fair though, the entire series was a bit "cheesy" from beginning to end.

And everything was pretty much tied up in the end. (minus Starbuck)


Just like the end of ME3(with the Extended Cut) pretty much ends on a solid note. A new beginning

[Leonia]

Basically there was a lot of build up to.. not exactly what we were hoping for. You spend most of the series expecting some awesome plot twist or revelation. You don't expect it to all in happily ever after on Earth with cylons and humans mixing together. It's not a bad ending but it was let down. They tried too hard to make it relevant to real-life in the end. There were no answers for Starbuck and the whole subplot with Hera seemed to be rather pointless. Don't get me wrong, I cry my eyes out watching that episode but it just wasn't quite what I had hoped it would be.

Modifié par leonia42, 24 octobre 2012 - 06:30 .

[clennon8]

I loved the BSG ending.

[Applepie_Svk]

Mcfly616 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

It's like the ending of BSG all over again.

and what was wrong with BSG's ending? (excluding anything Starbuck related)

You know what is funny .... that Tricia Helfer played in both as a sexbot... 

[DeinonSlayer]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

It's like the ending of BSG all over again.

and what was wrong with BSG's ending? (excluding anything Starbuck related)

You know what is funny .... that Tricia Helfer played in both as a sexbot... 

At some point in ME2 or 3, she should have said "by your command." How do you miss something like that?

[LilLino]

In my ending EDI IS DEAD! Joker can still hold her hands if he wants though, so I guess it's a good compromise.

[Biotic Sage]

Mcfly616 wrote...

2. Mito....what??

Mitochondrial Eve.  You know, the big twist of the entire show?  That Hera is Mitochondrial Eve?  I feel like you should know this if you are so passionately defending the ending, so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume there was a misunderstanding.

[UrgentArchengel]

I bet that if Synthesis didn't have that freaky green glow, and Shepard somehow survives it would be much more popular. Perfect ending. We get peace, and everybody lives!

[Kataphrut94]

What's wrong with a few people at Bioware favouring synthesis? They are the game ddevelopers, but that doesn't mean they can't harbour opinions on different aspects of it and it doesn't reflect poorly on the other endings.

[Icinix]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Icinix wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

It's like the ending of BSG all over again.

Nah - that ending made a tad more sense and had a bit more lead up.

Say whaaaaaaaaaaaat?!

..I did only say a tad.

[Biotic Sage]

Icinix wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Icinix wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

It's like the ending of BSG all over again.

Nah - that ending made a tad more sense and had a bit more lead up.

Say whaaaaaaaaaaaat?!

..I did only say a tad.

I know, but I was expressing that to me, putting Mass Effect anywhere near the level of stinkage that was the BSG ending is blasphemy.  Obviously you are of a different mindset, but that is my personal stance.

[Icinix]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Icinix wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

It's like the ending of BSG all over again.

Nah - that ending made a tad more sense and had a bit more lead up.

Say whaaaaaaaaaaaat?!

..I did only say a tad.

I know, but I was expressing that to me, putting Mass Effect anywhere near the level of stinkage that was the BSG ending is blasphemy.  Obviously you are of a different mindset, but that is my personal stance.

lol - fair enough.

Truth be told though - nothing is as bad as lost.

[MeatPopsicle]

Bioware prefers going the renegade route and killing off 1/2 of the main and supporting cast.

[Solmanian]

I reckon the "canon" ending will be a combination of synthesis and control: with reapers cruising around like a big fluffy puppy dogs. Sun tzu always said: it's far better to capture an enemy city than raze it.

[Biotic Sage]

Icinix wrote...

lol - fair enough.

Truth be told though - nothing is as bad as lost.

Haha oh boy you and I are going down a path.  It sounds like we are both attracted to the same types of fiction, but what we take away from them differ greatly.  For me the order is this from best to worst:

1. Mass Effect - Loved the ending and the series, both emotionally and intellectually (don't burn me)
2. Lost - Loved the series but the final season as a whole sucked, especially the on Island real time plot; the final episode however was great emotional payoff.  Some aspects intellectually stimulating but mostly disappointing.
3. Battlestar- Horrible intellectual payoff, unnatural and contrived character arcs, bad writing, "God did it, but we won't call it 'God' so it's ok!"

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:29 .

[Hudathan]

Tomwew wrote...

given it's the hardest ending to unlock (shep lives notwithstanding) and it's talked up by the scatalyst and edi i figured they had an odd soft spot for it. is this really concept art or fan made?

If you admit that Shepard-lives-in-Destroy is actually the hardest ending to unlock then why make the same statement still?

[Steelcan]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

I bet that if Synthesis didn't have that freaky green glow, and Shepard somehow survives it would be much more popular. Perfect ending. We get peace, and everybody lives!

. Not as long as the reapers live and free will is violated

[RadicalDisconnect]

Wait, is that concept art of fan art?

[Tomwew]

Hudathan wrote...

Tomwew wrote...

given it's the hardest ending to unlock (shep lives notwithstanding) and it's talked up by the scatalyst and edi i figured they had an odd soft spot for it. is this really concept art or fan made?

If you admit that Shepard-lives-in-Destroy is actually the hardest ending to unlock then why make the same statement still?

because the endings are destroy, control, synthesis unlocked in that order. shep lives is little more than a vague easter egg at the moment. also the ending it's part of is talked up as the 'worst' choice. i don't believe that (nothing to do with whether or not shep lives) but that's the implication i get.

[TheRealJayDee]

Biotic Sage wrote...

1) The "Opera" vision "payoff" was: there happen to be some people standing next to Anders on a balcony.  This vision was built up over pretty much the entire show for that?

I was so incredibly let down by this. Damn...

[FlamingBoy]

I am sure I would have liked synthesis to if it was significantly more developed, as it currently is it just space junk

[3DandBeyond]

Tomwew wrote...

also,'crashed on eden' just for metaphor purposes or a clue that they're on eden prime?

Except it looks more like Aeia, the toxic food planet.

I'm torn as to what to think about how they view synthesis.  I care about EDI and Joker, if playing as Shepard but as the player, I care most about Shepard.  The rest of the galaxy, other than that core group of friends, can really go suck eggs (harsh yeah, but this is the stupidest galaxy).

As far as synthesis, consider that BW has done so many things that shout "we like this" and then totally changed it up.  They fully intended that the galaxy would be destroyed after ME3 and then changed that and claimed they never intended it to happen.  They've done this kind of thing repeatedly.  "Nothing is canon" is often said, but sure there are canon things.  The whole ending 'thing' is canon-you can't get to anything other than those choices and must use EMS to get there.  One LI is more present than all others.  Destroy was the goal, but is made less valid because of contrived costs. 

So the kid likes synthesis.  Everyone that likes the kid and thinks they should do what he likes raise your hand.  You can ignore the fact that he likes it, but saying he likes it is not a compelling reason to choose it.  The idea that it leads to some new Adam and Eve on Eden is really vomit inducing, even if it were a really great choice or even if the couple was Shepard and <insert your favorite LI here>.  So the fact it's said to be Eden and they have green eyes doesn't make it more plausible or desirable.  BW has always thought they were playing a game with fans, but the problem is they never made it much fun.  It's this idea of bait and switch.  Say one thing and do another.  I don't think they get it just how annoying this is.  They keep hinting at things (read up on what Gamble said Leviathan would do to the ending), rather than stating some things clearly.  The torso is alive, it's dead, it's ambiguous just for fun.  And synthesis will inevitably happen.  No, it won't, not in the way they view it. 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 24 octobre 2012 - 02:47 .

[3DandBeyond]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

I bet that if Synthesis didn't have that freaky green glow, and Shepard somehow survives it would be much more popular. Perfect ending. We get peace, and everybody lives!

I couldn't care less about green eyes.  What mattered to me was immersion in the story world and what logically the hero would do or was allowed to do.  BW hamstringed Shepard (neutered the character just as much as they did the reapers).  Shepard and the galaxy are in full on idiot mode in ME3, and Shepard starts the whole thing off early with the meeting before the commission and stupid dialogue-dialogue that was set up to tell you that you better hope like hell there's an amazing super weapon they will find and not invent, because they are too stupid to create any such thing on their own.  This is the most inept, incompetent, ignorant set of characters the galaxy has likely every known-no wonder a real fight is impossible.

Perfect ending?  How about a logical sensible ending based upon one goal and with consequences resulting from what was done throughout 3 games?  Consequences and not a sleepy anti-climactic choice.  How about not having one person decide the future for everyone in the galaxy, thereby throwing out the themes of strength through diversity and unity and redemption?  How about not having one person do something given little thought that seems expedient and that has a corollary to the whole story of the genophage?  And how about not using magic to change the organic DNA throughout the galaxy (with what tech) or give someone's idea of full understanding of organics to synthetics (whose understanding).  How about remembering that there were people in the MEU that didn't like even tech implants of any kind.  And how about not basing the whole ending on some last minute trumped up idea of a very minor ingame theme?

I'm not picking on you, or not intending to, but the idea is not one of just Shepard must live (though, that would be nice and is for me, desirable), it's also about Shepard living based upon authentic and believable, in character actions.  If Shepard lives but decides to just doom everyone to an uncertain future based on something that makes no real sense, then it's just as worthless as Shepard dying-in fact, a Shepard that would do these things, should die.  And a galaxy that is super happy afterward maybe doesn't deserve to live on either.

[Steelcan]

^ tl;dr, destroy awesome, synthesis not so much

[xsdob]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a flying **** about what other people pick for their shepards journey? And that people have become so married to their ideology of the ending choice that it seems more like a cult than anything else?