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[Solmanian]

OK. We need to clarify something about the endings.

Destroy is the renegade ending. Victory at any cost, ignore the sacrifices that have to be made (genocide of a sentient race) as long as you get to "kill" the reapers. Renegades end the series the way they lived: uncompromising, unyielding jackasses/badasses, that it may be messy and trilions die but they get the job done.

Control is the paragon ending. Shepard pulls a jesus: he both dies for our sins and "lives" on to spend eternity watching over the galaxy. Making the ultimate sacrifice, sacrificing not just his but his very soul and being to become an eternal guardian of all life in the galaxy. this is pure paragon: shepard makes the choice so he's the one that pay the price. Allways wiling to go the extra mile for the best outcome for everyone. Easily my favorite ending since they released EC.

Synthesis is for those that can't decide, for those that just want everybody to get along. It's basicaly the "disney ending". Only thing missing is everyone (reapers included) holding hands and singing "why can't we be friends".

OK, now take a few seconds to visualize a reaper, krogan, hanar and volus singing "why can't we be friends". Mind. exploding.

[CosmicGnosis]

Ieldra2 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Tomwew wrote...
also,'crashed on eden' just for metaphor purposes or a clue that they're on eden prime?

I think it refers to the fact that the original endings implied that the galaxy was going to experience a dark age in every ending. Synthesis would have been the most hopeful ending because Joker and EDI represented the Adam and Eve of organics and synthetics on a brand new world. The galaxy was essentially destroyed and reborn as something new.

Yes, that was the intention. But it didn't come across as hopeful to me. I recall I called the mindset that tried to sell this to me as hopeful "neo-luddite, reactionary pseudo-romanticism". I still stand by that.

And sex between Joker and EDI is still silly.

Hahaha!

Man, that is too perfect. That's why I hate it when Shepard calls the Collector Base an "abomination". It's ridiculous.

Technology is not inherently evil!

[CosmicGnosis]

Solmanian wrote...

OK. We need to clarify something about the endings.

Destroy is the renegade ending. Victory at any cost, ignore the sacrifices that have to be made (genocide of a sentient race) as long as you get to "kill" the reapers. Renegades end the series the way they lived: uncompromising, unyielding jackasses/badasses, that it may be messy and trilions die but they get the job done.

Control is the paragon ending. Shepard pulls a jesus: he both dies for our sins and "lives" on to spend eternity watching over the galaxy. Making the ultimate sacrifice, sacrificing not just his but his very soul and being to become an eternal guardian of all life in the galaxy. this is pure paragon: shepard makes the choice so he's the one that pay the price. Allways wiling to go the extra mile for the best outcome for everyone. Easily my favorite ending since they released EC.

Synthesis is for those that can't decide, for those that just want everybody to get along. It's basicaly the "disney ending". Only thing missing is everyone (reapers included) holding hands and singing "why can't we be friends".

OK, now take a few seconds to visualize a reaper, krogan, hanar and volus singing "why can't we be friends". Mind. exploding.

I can also argue that Destroy liberates the galaxy from its overlords. For the first time in billions of years, the Milky Way is completely free.

Control, however, has Shepard seizing "ultimate" power and guiding the galaxy in the way that he deems appropriate. In other words, he continues the legacy of the Leviathans and the Catalyst.

[CronoDragoon]

Solmanian wrote...

OK. We need to clarify something about the endings.

The fact that there are two different versions of Control should show you the flaw in this analysis. Renegade and Paragon interpretations exist for each ending.

[Bill Casey]

Solmanian wrote...

OK. We need to clarify something about the endings.

Destroy is the renegade ending. Victory at any cost, ignore the sacrifices that have to be made (genocide of a sentient race) as long as you get to "kill" the reapers. Renegades end the series the way they lived: uncompromising, unyielding jackasses/badasses, that it may be messy and trilions die but they get the job done.

Control is the paragon ending. Shepard pulls a jesus: he both dies for our sins and "lives" on to spend eternity watching over the galaxy. Making the ultimate sacrifice, sacrificing not just his but his very soul and being to become an eternal guardian of all life in the galaxy. this is pure paragon: shepard makes the choice so he's the one that pay the price. Allways wiling to go the extra mile for the best outcome for everyone. Easily my favorite ending since they released EC.

Synthesis is for those that can't decide, for those that just want everybody to get along. It's basicaly the "disney ending". Only thing missing is everyone (reapers included) holding hands and singing "why can't we be friends".

OK, now take a few seconds to visualize a reaper, krogan, hanar and volus singing "why can't we be friends". Mind. exploding.

Player's guide says players might feel Destroy is Paragon, or they might feel Control is Paragon...

[CosmicGnosis]

I just discovered another thing that's unique to Synthesis: the music that plays at Shepard's memorial scene.

The music for this scene is the same in all three endings until the moment that focuses on Shepard's name. Destroy and Control have the same music, but Synthesis has a contemplative piano piece.

Just interesting.

[ChrisDV]

Solmanian wrote...

OK. We need to clarify something about the endings.

Destroy is the renegade ending. Victory at any cost, ignore the sacrifices that have to be made (genocide of a sentient race) as long as you get to "kill" the reapers. Renegades end the series the way they lived: uncompromising, unyielding jackasses/badasses, that it may be messy and trilions die but they get the job done.

Control is the paragon ending. Shepard pulls a jesus: he both dies for our sins and "lives" on to spend eternity watching over the galaxy. Making the ultimate sacrifice, sacrificing not just his but his very soul and being to become an eternal guardian of all life in the galaxy. this is pure paragon: shepard makes the choice so he's the one that pay the price. Allways wiling to go the extra mile for the best outcome for everyone. Easily my favorite ending since they released EC.

Synthesis is for those that can't decide, for those that just want everybody to get along. It's basicaly the "disney ending". Only thing missing is everyone (reapers included) holding hands and singing "why can't we be friends".

OK, now take a few seconds to visualize a reaper, krogan, hanar and volus singing "why can't we be friends". Mind. exploding.

THERE IS NO PARAGON/RENEGADE ENDING.

For crying out loud, if you have a Renegade choose control, the narration changes from "I will protect them all" to "Everyone! BOW DOWN BEFORE YOUR NEW GOD-EMPEROR!". All three endings are up to YOU to decide which is Paragon & which is Renegade. That's the entire point of having the Illusive Man & Anderson being shown in the colors of the opposite paradigm.

[ManiacG]

Im with ChrisD on that one, there are only poor exuses for endings but you basiacly have the jesus ending (blue) wich is so bad it dwarfs me even still , its so out of context with shepard its a joke, and its even worse with the synthesis ending(green) i dont know what developer come up with that idea, but i dearly hope he got fired.
destroy (red) is your everyday nuke the crap and to hell with it all kind of ending (a bad one as well but it beats the others by a fingernail.)

And as a last insult to injury we get rejection, wich is biowares way of saying **** you twice to the fans of this series.

[DeinonSlayer]

ChrisDV wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

OK. We need to clarify something about the endings.

Destroy is the renegade ending. Victory at any cost, ignore the sacrifices that have to be made (genocide of a sentient race) as long as you get to "kill" the reapers. Renegades end the series the way they lived: uncompromising, unyielding jackasses/badasses, that it may be messy and trilions die but they get the job done.

Control is the paragon ending. Shepard pulls a jesus: he both dies for our sins and "lives" on to spend eternity watching over the galaxy. Making the ultimate sacrifice, sacrificing not just his but his very soul and being to become an eternal guardian of all life in the galaxy. this is pure paragon: shepard makes the choice so he's the one that pay the price. Allways wiling to go the extra mile for the best outcome for everyone. Easily my favorite ending since they released EC.

Synthesis is for those that can't decide, for those that just want everybody to get along. It's basicaly the "disney ending". Only thing missing is everyone (reapers included) holding hands and singing "why can't we be friends".

OK, now take a few seconds to visualize a reaper, krogan, hanar and volus singing "why can't we be friends". Mind. exploding.

THERE IS NO PARAGON/RENEGADE ENDING.

For crying out loud, if you have a Renegade choose control, the narration changes from "I will protect them all" to "Everyone! BOW DOWN BEFORE YOUR NEW GOD-EMPEROR!". All three endings are up to YOU to decide which is Paragon & which is Renegade. That's the entire point of having the Illusive Man & Anderson being shown in the colors of the opposite paradigm.

It's slightly hilarious, people frantically asking around what they should pick because the game isn't explicitly telling them what to do anymore.

Paragon/Renegade is largely arbitrary. All you do by adhering to it is defer judgement about what's right or wrong to the writers, instead of thinking for yourself.

[CosmicGnosis]

Bill Casey wrote...

Player's guide says players might feel Destroy is Paragon, or they might feel Control is Paragon...

Well, I'm glad that is the case.

[Sir Topham Hat]

I never got the endings that kept the Reapers whole and walking around. You'd think there'd be issues with them crushing things every half-step. O_o

Modifié par Sir Topham Hat, 25 octobre 2012 - 04:05 .

[FOX216BC]

Ieldra2 wrote...

FOX216BC wrote...

Nice to see they have a statue of Miranda there...

Is it because of

[Biotic Sage]

^ It's only a natural response to build a monument to it.

[fil009]

My Shepard was fighting to unite the galaxy, not force Synthesis down their throats. Boo Synthesis.

[CosmicGnosis]

I have updated the OP because of the IT-inspired anti-Synthesis posts that have been popping up recently. I think the image in the OP challenges those arguments.

[KingZayd]

IT-esque response:

The synthesis ending is meant to look utopic.
It's like the first version of the matrix.

[Auintus]

In a very player-based statement: "Bioware said(before EC) that the best ending could be achieved without multiplayer. Synthesis is the most difficult ending to get that can still be taken without multiplayer(again, before EC). Therefore, it is the best ending."

Modifié par Auintus, 10 décembre 2012 - 04:28 .

[Clayless]

What difference does it make if someone prefers an ending you don't?

[Auintus]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

What difference does it make if someone prefers an ending you don't?

None. It just seems that Bioware intended Synthesis to be the best. Just looking at what they said.

[garrusfan1]

Well shep can only live in high ems breath scene which is harder to get so no destroy is best and always will be

[garrusfan1]

Auintus wrote...

In a very player-based statement: "Bioware said(before EC) that the best ending could be achieved without multiplayer. Synthesis is the most difficult ending to get that can still be taken without multiplayer(again, before EC). Therefore, it is the best ending."

Actually I saw somewhere you could get 4100 ems without MP and pre EC but you had to play the whole series error proof (and by error proof I mean to get the most assets) so it was possible but with this it basically made you have no options to do anything besides what you have to do to get these war assets. Also this includes all the ME1 and ME2 dlc that add war assets (example overlord). Oh do not ask me for a link cause I saw this within a month of ME3 being released.

[Auintus]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Auintus wrote...

In a very player-based statement: "Bioware said(before EC) that the best ending could be achieved without multiplayer. Synthesis is the most difficult ending to get that can still be taken without multiplayer(again, before EC). Therefore, it is the best ending."

Actually I saw somewhere you could get 4100 ems without MP and pre EC but you had to play the whole series error proof (and by error proof I mean to get the most assets) so it was possible but with this it basically made you have no options to do anything besides what you have to do to get these war assets. Also this includes all the ME1 and ME2 dlc that add war assets (example overlord). Oh do not ask me for a link cause I saw this within a month of ME3 being released.

Didn't Destroy/Survive require 5000 ems at first?

[KingZayd]

Auintus wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Auintus wrote...

In a very player-based statement: "Bioware said(before EC) that the best ending could be achieved without multiplayer. Synthesis is the most difficult ending to get that can still be taken without multiplayer(again, before EC). Therefore, it is the best ending."

Actually I saw somewhere you could get 4100 ems without MP and pre EC but you had to play the whole series error proof (and by error proof I mean to get the most assets) so it was possible but with this it basically made you have no options to do anything besides what you have to do to get these war assets. Also this includes all the ME1 and ME2 dlc that add war assets (example overlord). Oh do not ask me for a link cause I saw this within a month of ME3 being released.

Didn't Destroy/Survive require 5000 ems at first?

I believe it was 4000 if you saved Anderson.

[Auintus]

KingZayd wrote...

Auintus wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Actually I saw somewhere you could get 4100 ems without MP and pre EC but you had to play the whole series error proof (and by error proof I mean to get the most assets) so it was possible but with this it basically made you have no options to do anything besides what you have to do to get these war assets. Also this includes all the ME1 and ME2 dlc that add war assets (example overlord). Oh do not ask me for a link cause I saw this within a month of ME3 being released.

Didn't Destroy/Survive require 5000 ems at first?

I believe it was 4000 if you saved Anderson.

Okay, but I only could only get around 7kish total strength, which results in 3500ish effective strength. Still not enough.