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[Rawgrim]

Alot of class distinction can also be added by bringing back non-combat skills. But aparantly rpgs are all about combat and how you kill stuff now.

[Realmzmaster]

katanakage wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

That means that every PC would technically be a mage. The lore states that only mages have the ability to wield magic. I have no problem with the PC being classless but not every companion. That would cause serious balance problems. You could effectively make every companion a mage Basically you would have mage-rogue, mage-warrior, mage. I could effectively give every companion a heal and haste spell.

But if that is the case then the enemy should have the same ability.

I guess Meredith was using smoke and mirrors to make those statues attack me 

That was red lyrium from the idol that fueled Meredith not in-born magic. Before she got the idol Meredith showed no sign of magic. But since she is a templar they can be affected by lyrium. Red Lyrium has effects that have no been documented as well as blue lyrium. If you take Anders with you to the Deep Roads he will tell you that the idol is magic and not the good kind. Templars are able to use lyrium which they ingest to be able to fight mages. The magic is not in-born.

[Rawgrim]

Realmzmaster wrote...

katanakage wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

That means that every PC would technically be a mage. The lore states that only mages have the ability to wield magic. I have no problem with the PC being classless but not every companion. That would cause serious balance problems. You could effectively make every companion a mage Basically you would have mage-rogue, mage-warrior, mage. I could effectively give every companion a heal and haste spell.

But if that is the case then the enemy should have the same ability.

I guess Meredith was using smoke and mirrors to make those statues attack me 

That was red lyrium from the idol that fueled Meredith not in-born magic. Before she got the idol Meredith showed no sign of magic. But since she is a templar they can be affected by lyrium. Red Lyrium has effects that have no been documented as well as blue lyrium. If you take Anders with you to the Deep Roads he will tell you that the idol is magic and not the good kind. Templars are able to use lyrium which they ingest to be able to fight mages. The magic is not in-born.

Still...she did master the art rather quickly. So aparantly Red Lyrium also gives the person a deep understanding of magic, and how it works too.

[katanakage]

Realmzmaster wrote...

That was red lyrium from the idol that fueled Meredith not in-born magic. Before she got the idol Meredith showed no sign of magic. But since she is a templar they can be affected by lyrium. Red Lyrium has effects that have no been documented as well as blue lyrium. If you take Anders with you to the Deep Roads he will tell you that the idol is magic and not the good kind. Templars are able to use lyrium which they ingest to be able to fight mages. The magic is not in-born.

But it is magic...  I know its semantics and I know templars have no in-born magical ability, but I've already stated I'm not a writer and I'm sure the folks on the DA team could come up with something feasible if they wanted too.

[Rawgrim]

katanakage wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

That was red lyrium from the idol that fueled Meredith not in-born magic. Before she got the idol Meredith showed no sign of magic. But since she is a templar they can be affected by lyrium. Red Lyrium has effects that have no been documented as well as blue lyrium. If you take Anders with you to the Deep Roads he will tell you that the idol is magic and not the good kind. Templars are able to use lyrium which they ingest to be able to fight mages. The magic is not in-born.

But it is magic...  I know its semantics and I know templars have no in-born magical ability, but I've already stated I'm not a writer and I'm sure the folks on the DA team could come up with something feasible if they wanted too.

Michael Bayism. Thats what happend.

[Realmzmaster]

Rawgrim wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

katanakage wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

That means that every PC would technically be a mage. The lore states that only mages have the ability to wield magic. I have no problem with the PC being classless but not every companion. That would cause serious balance problems. You could effectively make every companion a mage Basically you would have mage-rogue, mage-warrior, mage. I could effectively give every companion a heal and haste spell.

But if that is the case then the enemy should have the same ability.

I guess Meredith was using smoke and mirrors to make those statues attack me 

That was red lyrium from the idol that fueled Meredith not in-born magic. Before she got the idol Meredith showed no sign of magic. But since she is a templar they can be affected by lyrium. Red Lyrium has effects that have no been documented as well as blue lyrium. If you take Anders with you to the Deep Roads he will tell you that the idol is magic and not the good kind. Templars are able to use lyrium which they ingest to be able to fight mages. The magic is not in-born.

Still...she did master the art rather quickly. So aparantly Red Lyrium also gives the person a deep understanding of magic, and how it works too.

Most of attacks Meredith used can from increasing her physical abilities. I remember no mage being able to animate metal. The mages can animate the dead, but that is tissue that was once alive. Nor does Meredith cast fireballs or any other magic. Most of her attacks are based off of what templars can already do.

[Rawgrim]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

katanakage wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

That means that every PC would technically be a mage. The lore states that only mages have the ability to wield magic. I have no problem with the PC being classless but not every companion. That would cause serious balance problems. You could effectively make every companion a mage Basically you would have mage-rogue, mage-warrior, mage. I could effectively give every companion a heal and haste spell.

But if that is the case then the enemy should have the same ability.

I guess Meredith was using smoke and mirrors to make those statues attack me 

That was red lyrium from the idol that fueled Meredith not in-born magic. Before she got the idol Meredith showed no sign of magic. But since she is a templar they can be affected by lyrium. Red Lyrium has effects that have no been documented as well as blue lyrium. If you take Anders with you to the Deep Roads he will tell you that the idol is magic and not the good kind. Templars are able to use lyrium which they ingest to be able to fight mages. The magic is not in-born.

Still...she did master the art rather quickly. So aparantly Red Lyrium also gives the person a deep understanding of magic, and how it works too.

Most of attacks Meredith used can from increasing her physical abilities. I remember no mage being able to animate metal. The mages can animate the dead, but that is tissue that was once alive. Nor does Meredith cast fireballs or any other magic. Most of her attacks are based off of what templars can already do.

I still remember her causing "explosions" with her sword, though. And leaping 100 feet up into the air. i think only Talis can do that, and she isn`t infected with Red Lyrium. I dunno. The whole fight seemed abit...against the lore of the setting, really. But it IS left unexplained, so i hope they do explain it abit further later. i am pretty sure Red Lyrium will pop up again.

The fight kind of reminded me of Luke vs Palpatine and Vader. Meredith with a red glowing sword etc. Palpatine\\Orsino using "magic". Abit off topic, i know.

[deuce985]

The example you gave goes against lore. I know what you're trying to say though.

But yes, I think a classless system has advantages but as someone above mentioned, it's a balance problem. I'd much prefer them give us some things back from DAO like dual wielding on a warrior. You don't necessarily have to get rid of class distinction by giving us dual wielding on a warrior. He can still separate himself from a rogue by getting a unique dual wielding tree/abilities that a rogue doesn't have access to. I believe that would help with differences between the class.

In DAO, class distinction wasn't as big between a rogue/warrior. I basically received the same dual wield tree as the rogue.

So yes, I'd like them to keep class distinction and expand what they currently have. Bring back Arcane Warriors and dual wielding but keep them different from the other classes. It just adds more layers of variety in how you want to play. Our PC shouldn't be pushed into specific roles with a class. The more customization/variety, the better to craft our personalities. Now, a companion like Isabela only using daggers and medium armor makes sense. We're nor crafting her personality. She's already defined, unlike our PC. I can respect restrictions on companions.

Say rogues have access to 10 different skill trees. Some companions only have access to about 4 trees. The trees end up being based on personality. However, the PC ends up with ALL 10 possible rogue trees since you have to clearly define his/her personality.

Modifié par deuce985, 24 octobre 2012 - 04:08 .

[katanakage]

Lets try to get back on track with the class or no-class system not a debate about Meredith and the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak 

Modifié par katanakage, 24 octobre 2012 - 04:06 .

[MillKill]

Filament wrote...

The only class distinction that matters is that mages are the class who can shapeshift and all others are lessers meant only to worship them, like the tiny worshipers in Primal Rage getting stomped on by their Ape and Tyrannosaur gods.

This might be true if Shapeshifting weren't worthless.

[MillKill]

Filament wrote...

MillKill wrote...

Filament wrote...

The only class distinction that matters is that mages are the class who can shapeshift and all others are lessers meant only to worship them, like the tiny worshipers in Primal Rage getting stomped on by their Ape and Tyrannosaur gods.

This might be true if Shapeshifting weren't worthless.

I am disgusted. Never speak to me again.

You can cast mana clash, blood wound and cone of cold. Why would you give those up to go through a long casting animation and become an inferior warrior?

Modifié par MillKill, 24 octobre 2012 - 04:17 .

[Rawgrim]

MillKill wrote...

Filament wrote...

MillKill wrote...

Filament wrote...

The only class distinction that matters is that mages are the class who can shapeshift and all others are lessers meant only to worship them, like the tiny worshipers in Primal Rage getting stomped on by their Ape and Tyrannosaur gods.

This might be true if Shapeshifting weren't worthless.

I am disgusted. Never speak to me again.

You can cast mana clash, blood wound and cone of cold. Why would you give those up to go through a long casting animation and become an inferior warrior?

Fun to do vs weaker opponents. Not everything is about doing the most amount of damage in the shortest amount of time.

[Leonia]

Or we could move away from strict class restrictions and all be hybrids. That would be fun and more realistic.

[Rawgrim]

leonia42 wrote...

Or we could move away from strict class restrictions and all be hybrids. That would be fun and more realistic.

Plus mess up the lore quite abit.

[Leonia]

Because the lore always describes people as Mage, Rogue, Warrior.

A templar is basically a mage-warrior hybrid, are they not?

Modifié par leonia42, 24 octobre 2012 - 04:31 .

[Rawgrim]

leonia42 wrote...

Because the lore always describes people as Mage, Rogue, Warrior.

A templar is basically a mage-warrior hybrid, are they not?

Nope. Just on the surface.

[Leonia]

What does that even mean?

[katanakage]

lol

[jackkel dragon]

Rawgrim wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Because the lore always describes people as Mage, Rogue, Warrior.

A templar is basically a mage-warrior hybrid, are they not?

Nope. Just on the surface.

leonia42 wrote...

What does that even mean?

It's simple: on the surface, the Templar appears to be a mage-warrior hybrid. But when you drill down to the core, you'll find high quanities of molten, liquid warrior. That mage/warrior surface is the result of repeated collisions with mages, which ended up leaving the debris from those collisions on the surface of the Templar. After a while, the force of the repeated impacts created an alloy of mage/warrior that makes up the present-day surface of the Templar.