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[RadicalDisconnect]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The funny thing is the people who say things like "then they turned her into a sexbot" are the same people who are stuck on her image.

They can't see past the thing they're complaining about, which says less about them than they realise.

I assure you, the fact that I don't like EDI in ME3 has nothing to do with the fact that I don't like her new body.

AI's weren't handled very well in ME3. EDI's portrayal is lacking in creativity and the portrayal of the Geth is, in my opinion, a disaster.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 26 octobre 2012 - 05:10 .

[Redbelle]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The funny thing is the people who say things like "then they turned her into a sexbot" are the same people who are stuck on her image.

They can't see past the thing they're complaining about, which says less about them than they realise.

I assure you, the fact that I don't like EDI in ME3 has nothing to do with the fact that I don't like her new body.

AI's weren't handled very well in ME3. EDI is lacking in creativity and the portrayal of the Geth is, in my opinion, a disaster.

If ME1 introduced AI as the bad guys. And ME2 opened our eye's to the world that AI's live in. Is it fair to the continued evolution of these forms of <question mark> life, to make the thought processes that created their society more like us meat bags?

Or to put it another way. Do we need another Star Trek's Mr Data portrayed as a fembot? Or the geth becoming a bit more human and losing their uniqueness?

Spock, Mr Data and Voyagers "The Doctor" were non humans grappling with the human condition and from time to time, being the nexus of contemporary questions that paralled America's use of black slaves, Britains stubborn refusal to give woman the vote and so on. Mass Effect on the other hand............ well, it can also ask these questions as you  progress though the story. But ME's best point is when it stops putting human paralels on alien species and just lets them be the aliens they were created to be, dealing with their issues and their own histories.

The geth in ME2, driven by consensus, sound very similar to BSG's cylons who also were driven by consensus till rogue, 'human' qualities began infecting their societal order. For the geth to just decide to change themselves as they did. Well, if they come back in ME4 we'll have a familier race with an entirely new societal order to comprehend. But personally I think we've only just peaked into what machine AI could possibly be like as a race who you have to live with on a day to day basis,

Modifié par Redbelle, 25 octobre 2012 - 06:29 .

[chessplayer209]

People always seem to complain whenever there's an attractive female character in the game and say it's sexualized, despite the fact that women "sexualize" themselves IRL by the way they dress pretty much every day. They act like such things are uncommon... give me a break.

EDI was great in all the games, especially in Mass Effect 3. I feel like I'm more able to appreciate her as a character now that she has a body than I could before. So if she's going to have a body, what's wrong with having it look feminine?

Someone With Mass wrote...

If the body was designed to sex
its way through obstacles, I must say...there are cheaper ways to do
that. A little more organic too.

A well-programmed AI (with the Cerberus shackles) might be more reliable than a human being.

Modifié par chessplayer209, 04 septembre 2013 - 01:39 .

[David7204]

Being attractive doesn't make you a '****', StreetMagic.

[David7204]

I think the problem here is that you're using a very poor definition of 'sexualized.'

All humans that I know of do things to make themselves attractive. Even things as simple as maintaining their hygiene.Do you deny that? Do you deny that, yeah, pretty much all females do things to present themselves as attractive?

Modifié par David7204, 04 septembre 2013 - 01:42 .

[o Ventus]

chessplayer209 wrote...

People always seem to complain whenever there's an attractive female character in the game and say it's sexualized, despite the fact that women "sexualize" themselves IRL by the way they dress pretty much every day. They act like such things are uncommon... give me a break.

EDI was great in all the games, especially in Mass Effect 3. I feel like I'm more able to appreciate her as a character now that she has a body than I could before. So if she's going to have a body, what's wrong with having it look feminine?

Because there was literally zero good reason for EDI to have a body? At the very least, they could have given EDI a body that was actually designed for combat, like a hijacked Rampart mech. An 'infiltration' unit wih EDI's body type is antithetical to its intention.

[General TSAR]

The Enhanced Defense Intelligence's sexbot avatar substantially devalued my opinion of it.

I wish we had the option of telling Adams and unnamed SR2 crewman to light it up.

o Ventus wrote...

Because there was literally zero good reason for EDI to have a body? At the very least, they could have given EDI a body that was actually designed for combat, like a hijacked Rampart mech. An 'infiltration' unit wih EDI's body type is antithetical to its intention.

If it decided to take over a Rampart Mech then I would have praised it for its inovation and maybe even gain respect for it.

Modifié par General TSAR, 04 septembre 2013 - 01:46 .

[chessplayer209]

o Ventus wrote...

chessplayer209 wrote...

People always seem to complain whenever there's an attractive female character in the game and say it's sexualized, despite the fact that women "sexualize" themselves IRL by the way they dress pretty much every day. They act like such things are uncommon... give me a break.

EDI was great in all the games, especially in Mass Effect 3. I feel like I'm more able to appreciate her as a character now that she has a body than I could before. So if she's going to have a body, what's wrong with having it look feminine?

Because there was literally zero good reason for EDI to have a body? At the very least, they could have given EDI a body that was actually designed for combat, like a hijacked Rampart mech. An 'infiltration' unit wih EDI's body type is antithetical to its intention.

Makes more sense for EDI to have the infiltration body type - at least from a standpoint of her usefulness to Shepard and the Normandy. With EDI in this form she can actually go into combat as a squadmate with Shepard and the crew, whereas with some huge combat mech she would have more difficulty. Also, with the body she has, she is probably better suited to hacking than if she was in some huge battle mech without the dexterity and nimbleness provided by having humanoid hands, arms, fingers, etc.

[chessplayer209]

o Ventus wrote...
Because there was literally zero good reason for EDI to have a body?

Easier to view her as a "person" if she has a humanoid body.  That might not be fair or even reasonable in your view, but that's without a shadow of doubt the truth for a lot of people. The backstory of the Cerberus infiltration unit that she would later inhabit provides a convenient scenario for her to attain a humanoid body that would allow her to become more of a squadmate.

If she was some cybernetic entity that inhabited some Atlas battlemech or something, it wouldn't be as compelling character-wise. And Shepard can use battlemechs anyways. I see no reason for EDI to become a battlemech, but if she becomes a humanoid robot, it becomes easier for a lot of people to see "personhood" develop in her, which was a significant development of ME3.

So her acquiring a humanoid body made a lot of sense on those grounds.

Modifié par chessplayer209, 04 septembre 2013 - 01:55 .

[o Ventus]

chessplayer209 wrote...

Makes more sense for EDI to have the infiltration body type - at least from a standpoint of her usefulness to Shepard and the Normandy. With EDI in this form she can actually go into combat as a squadmate with Shepard and the crew, whereas with some huge combat mech she would have more difficulty. Also, with the body she has, she is probably better suited to hacking than if she was in some huge battle mech without the dexterity and nimbleness provided by having humanoid hands, arms, fingers, etc.

A Rampart isn't a "huge battle mech". It's around the same height as Shepard, and is just as slender as EDI's current body, with the exception of the shoulders. I'm not particularly sure what this has to do with her hacking prowess, when she has an omni-tool for that (Somethig EDI shouldn't need or have to begin with, but that's a different matter).

Explain to me what EDI is going to infiltrate with her current body. She won he doing much infiltrating when everybody is ogling her. Furthermore, how does her current body at all assist her in actual combat?

[chessplayer209]

o Ventus wrote...

chessplayer209 wrote...

Makes more sense for EDI to have the infiltration body type - at least from a standpoint of her usefulness to Shepard and the Normandy. With EDI in this form she can actually go into combat as a squadmate with Shepard and the crew, whereas with some huge combat mech she would have more difficulty. Also, with the body she has, she is probably better suited to hacking than if she was in some huge battle mech without the dexterity and nimbleness provided by having humanoid hands, arms, fingers, etc.

A Rampart isn't a "huge battle mech". It's around the same height as Shepard, and is just as slender as EDI's current body, with the exception of the shoulders. I'm not particularly sure what this has to do with her hacking prowess, when she has an omni-tool for that (Somethig EDI shouldn't need or have to begin with, but that's a different matter).

Explain to me what EDI is going to infiltrate with her current body. She won he doing much infiltrating when everybody is ogling her. Furthermore, how does her current body at all assist her in actual combat?

She's going to engage in frontline combat with Shepard. And it makes sense that she could inhabit the infiltrator body, but not some battle mech. Cerberus wouldn't bother putting such a sophisticated AI into a simple front-lines battlemech, so the processing capability of such a unit would probably not be sufficient to handle EDI's "software." It would make sense that the Cerberus infiltration mech that EDI inhabited would have processing capabilities more suited to a full-blown AI like EDI though, because they would likely be needed to have such a sophisticated infiltration unit.  So in that sense it makes more sense that she would have the body she got than some front-lines battlemech.

And on a side note, if she was in some powerful battlemech, that would make the game easy, because she'd be too powerful. What we have makes sense.  She's not too powerful enough to make the game easy when she's on your squad right now, and that's perfect. Infiltrator body works best for her.

Modifié par chessplayer209, 04 septembre 2013 - 02:01 .

[David7204]

Explain to me what 'good' reason there is for Liara to be attractive? For Tali to be attractive? For Jack to be attractive? For Ashley? For Traynor? For Kelly? For Parasini? For Shiala?

[General TSAR]

David7204 wrote...
For Tali to be attractive? For Jack to be attractive? For Ashley? For Traynor? For Kelly? For Parasini?

They're not sexbots, they're women.

[chessplayer209]

David7204 wrote...

Explain to me what 'good' reason there is for Liara to be attractive? For Tali to be attractive? For Jack to be attractive? For Ashley? For Traynor? For Kelly? For Parasini? For Shiala?

They're romance-interests, so that makes sens - (Oh wait, so is EDI - for Joker!)

[David7204]

General TSAR wrote...

David7204 wrote...
For Tali to be attractive? For Jack to be attractive? For Ashley? For Traynor? For Kelly? For Parasini?

They're not sexbots, they're women.

And? They're attractive because BioWare made them attractive. Just like EDI. Explain to me why BioWare made them attractive.