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[Seboist]

Come to think of it the sexbot brings a whole mess of plot issues such as, why haven't we seen such infiltrator robots before and why didn't Derperus use more of them? It would have made the "Citadel coup" plot more sensible.

[Seboist]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

So basically she was given an extremely sexualized body that wasn't necessary for her character development. Her whole romance with Joker felt...forced since they had to find some way to conveniently give her a body to make it happen. The whole thing is just pointless.

Not to mention the lack of exposition on how EDI came to have a female personality (It's no more a "she" than Legion is a 'he") or why it's a good idea for an emotionally immature A.I that can't fully grasp something as basic as humor to engage in a romantic relationship with all the baggage it entails(there's a reason why we have age of consent laws despite young teens being sexually mature).

The whole thing is stupid and just plain creepy.

[rekn2]

omg boobeez iz eeebil. i knew as soon as i saw that stupid thread pointing out her CT that this would happen.

so sick of people hating on others for taking a false position of moral high ground by taking a false position of moral high ground

[rekn2]

Seboist wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

So basically she was given an extremely sexualized body that wasn't necessary for her character development. Her whole romance with Joker felt...forced since they had to find some way to conveniently give her a body to make it happen. The whole thing is just pointless.

Not to mention the lack of exposition on how EDI came to have a female personality (It's no more a "she" than Legion is a 'he") or why it's a good idea for an emotionally immature A.I that can't fully grasp something as basic as humor to engage in a romantic relationship with all the baggage it entails(there's a reason why we have age of consent laws despite young teens being sexually mature).

The whole thing is stupid and just plain creepy.

i agree with what i underlined about what you said in bold

[Sundance31us]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Hmmm...let's see

Her normal costume has her running around naked.

The same could be said of Legion, but I don't recall anyone complaining.

Her 1st alternate costume is excessively sheer, which was one of the complaints against Miranda.

Her 2nd alternate costume includes a cameltoe.

So basically she was given an extremely sexualized body that wasn't necessary for her character development.

She (Eva) was created by Cerberus as an infiltration unit so you could hardly expect her to look like Agnes ******.

Edit: To clarify, Eva was designed as an infiltration unit; EDI was designed for cyber warfare defense.

Modifié par Sundance31us, 24 octobre 2012 - 04:52 .

[MegaSovereign]

She got tig ol' bitties.

[dreman9999]

Seboist wrote...

Come to think of it the sexbot brings a whole mess of plot issues such as, why haven't we seen such infiltrator robots before and why didn't Derperus use more of them? It would have made the "Citadel coup" plot more sensible.

Ok then...How easy is it to make an AI?

[l7986]

Meh it's like they wanted Miranda on the Normandy again. Then said **** it lets not have her on and after a bit comprimised on having EDI be the random look at my ****** and ass chick.

[dreman9999]

Seboist wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

So basically she was given an extremely sexualized body that wasn't necessary for her character development. Her whole romance with Joker felt...forced since they had to find some way to conveniently give her a body to make it happen. The whole thing is just pointless.

Not to mention the lack of exposition on how EDI came to have a female personality (It's no more a "she" than Legion is a 'he") or why it's a good idea for an emotionally immature A.I that can't fully grasp something as basic as humor to engage in a romantic relationship with all the baggage it entails(there's a reason why we have age of consent laws despite young teens being sexually mature).

The whole thing is stupid and just plain creepy.

Why would she have an exposition of her having a female personality? In fact what is female of EDI personality in ME3?

Added, you do understand how quickly AI's evolve? Remeber, She tells you she can understand and get use to thinngs instantly.
The reason she became a her is becasue her body is simulier to a females and she liked being refuered to her body. It's all about her wanting to understand humans more.

[dreman9999]

l7986 wrote...

Meh it's like they wanted Miranda on the Normandy again. Then said **** it lets not have her on and after a bit comprimised on having EDI be the random look at my ****** and ass chick.

If that was the case, EDI would be romacible.

[Podge 90]

dreman9999 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Come to think of it the sexbot brings a whole mess of plot issues such as, why haven't we seen such infiltrator robots before and why didn't Derperus use more of them? It would have made the "Citadel coup" plot more sensible.

Ok then...How easy is it to make an AI?

When you are acting regardless of galactic treaties, and have huge funding, I'd imagine pretty easy with all the tech on offer.

[dreman9999]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Hmmm...let's see

Her normal costume has her running around naked.

Her 1st alternate costume is excessively sheer, which was one of the complaints against Miranda.

Her 2nd alternate costume includes a cameltoe.

So basically she was given an extremely sexualized body that wasn't necessary for her character development. Her whole romance with Joker felt...forced since they had to find some way to conveniently give her a body to make it happen. The whole thing is just pointless.

I don't see how the romance was forced being that it hinged on to your statement. It's not that EDI got the body to have the romace. It that once she got the body she became intersted in having one but only if you premoted it.

Using EDI's body as a point ignores the op's point. If it was purly for Sexualation then She would be romancilbe by Shepard.

Added, Miranda's problem was she was where a skin tight suit in fire fights and in low atmo. She had little to no protection. EDI's body is naturaly resistate to gun fire, hazardeds and she does no need to breath.

[dreman9999]

Podge 90 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Come to think of it the sexbot brings a whole mess of plot issues such as, why haven't we seen such infiltrator robots before and why didn't Derperus use more of them? It would have made the "Citadel coup" plot more sensible.

Ok then...How easy is it to make an AI?

When you are acting regardless of galactic treaties, and have huge funding, I'd imagine pretty easy with all the tech on offer.

There a difference between having the funds to make an AI and making an AI.
Just because you all the money to make an AI does not mean building it is easy.

Modifié par dreman9999, 24 octobre 2012 - 05:07 .

[Podge 90]

dreman9999 wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Come to think of it the sexbot brings a whole mess of plot issues such as, why haven't we seen such infiltrator robots before and why didn't Derperus use more of them? It would have made the "Citadel coup" plot more sensible.

Ok then...How easy is it to make an AI?

When you are acting regardless of galactic treaties, and have huge funding, I'd imagine pretty easy with all the tech on offer.

There a difference between having the funds to make an AI and making an AI.
Just because you all the money to make an AI does not mean building it is easy.

So scientists in the ME universe can understand and make ships capable of travelling faster than light by the thousands, but can't build a robot?  Damn dreman you crazy.

They're so easy to make, the Quarians accidentally made them!

[dreman9999]

Podge 90 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Come to think of it the sexbot brings a whole mess of plot issues such as, why haven't we seen such infiltrator robots before and why didn't Derperus use more of them? It would have made the "Citadel coup" plot more sensible.

Ok then...How easy is it to make an AI?

When you are acting regardless of galactic treaties, and have huge funding, I'd imagine pretty easy with all the tech on offer.

There a difference between having the funds to make an AI and making an AI.
Just because you all the money to make an AI does not mean building it is easy.

So scientists in the ME universe can understand and make ships capable of travelling faster than light by the thousands, but can't build a robot?  Damn dreman you crazy.

They're so easy to make, the Quarians accidentally made them!

Robots are not the same as AI.
Sure theycan make robots, but what made EVA stand out is the fact She was also an AI.
That's why I asked how easy is it to make an "AI"..

And the geth was an extremely complex accedent that happen over time.....10 years time worth of changes to the Geth VI's.

Modifié par dreman9999, 24 octobre 2012 - 05:30 .

[Someone With Mass]

I didn't think EDI was as interesting as people are trying to make her out to be in ME2. She made a joke here and there, but that doesn't make her so precious that it's all ruined the second she got her hands on a body. She's still the Normandy in ME3.

I'd say it's just a weird sense of sentimentality people have for that blue ball thing.

It's sad to see so many get hanged up on something so intensely trivial as that bot and say that EDI's character is ruined forever when she almost never had one to begin with.

If anything, she displayed a desire for a body in ME2 as well, with that speech about being able to touch and feel the outside world.

A radical change in character? Why, it's almost like she was made to move on and adapt or something.

[Podge 90]

dreman9999 wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Come to think of it the sexbot brings a whole mess of plot issues such as, why haven't we seen such infiltrator robots before and why didn't Derperus use more of them? It would have made the "Citadel coup" plot more sensible.

Ok then...How easy is it to make an AI?

When you are acting regardless of galactic treaties, and have huge funding, I'd imagine pretty easy with all the tech on offer.

There a difference between having the funds to make an AI and making an AI.
Just because you all the money to make an AI does not mean building it is easy.

So scientists in the ME universe can understand and make ships capable of travelling faster than light by the thousands, but can't build a robot?  Damn dreman you crazy.

They're so easy to make, the Quarians accidentally made them!

Robots are not the same as AI.
Sure theycan make robots, but what made EVA stand out is the fact She was also an AI.
That's why I asked how easy is it to make an "AI"..

And the geth was an extremely complex accedent that happen over time.....10 years time worth of changes to the Geth VI's.

Well done, you successfully failed to read through the word robot.  The Quarians were doing everything possible to avoid making an AI - galactic treaties and all that - but stumbled on it anyway.

Tell me, dreman, how hard is it to make an AI in the year 2183 when technology exists to make mankind travel faster than the speed of light?

Modifié par Podge 90, 24 octobre 2012 - 05:35 .

[Someone With Mass]

Podge 90 wrote...
So scientists in the ME universe can understand and make ships capable of travelling faster than light by the thousands, but can't build a robot?  Damn dreman you crazy.

They're so easy to make, the Quarians accidentally made them!

Cerberus could barely handle Overlord. They'd be doing the entire galaxy a favor by not trying to make more AIs. They'd probably end up making Catalyst 2.0.

And if they're so easy to make, then why can so few people control them?

Once EDI got loose, Cerberus couldn't even get control over her again, despite having backup programs for such an occasion.

[Podge 90]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...
So scientists in the ME universe can understand and make ships capable of travelling faster than light by the thousands, but can't build a robot?  Damn dreman you crazy.

They're so easy to make, the Quarians accidentally made them!

Cerberus could barely handle Overlord. They'd be doing the entire galaxy a favor by not trying to make more AIs. They'd probably end up making Catalyst 2.0.

And if they're so easy to make, then why can so few people control them?

Once EDI got loose, Cerberus couldn't even get control over her again, despite having backup programs for such an occasion.

Overlord wasn't about building an AI.

'Ease of building' isn't about controlling them once built.

Caution is not a valid reason to say they are "hard" to build.  Caution indicates they are difficult to keep under control, to avoid another incident like the Geth.  Different things.

[dreman9999]

Podge 90 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Come to think of it the sexbot brings a whole mess of plot issues such as, why haven't we seen such infiltrator robots before and why didn't Derperus use more of them? It would have made the "Citadel coup" plot more sensible.

Ok then...How easy is it to make an AI?

When you are acting regardless of galactic treaties, and have huge funding, I'd imagine pretty easy with all the tech on offer.

There a difference between having the funds to make an AI and making an AI.
Just because you all the money to make an AI does not mean building it is easy.

So scientists in the ME universe can understand and make ships capable of travelling faster than light by the thousands, but can't build a robot?  Damn dreman you crazy.

They're so easy to make, the Quarians accidentally made them!

Robots are not the same as AI.
Sure theycan make robots, but what made EVA stand out is the fact She was also an AI.
That's why I asked how easy is it to make an "AI"..

And the geth was an extremely complex accedent that happen over time.....10 years time worth of changes to the Geth VI's.

Well done, you successfully failed to read through the word robot.  The Quarians were doing everything possible to avoid making an AI - galactic treaties and all that - but stumbled on it anyway.

Tell me, dreman, how hard is it to make an AI in the year 2183 when technology exists to make mankind travel faster than the speed of light?

It failed at reading? I ask how easy it was to make an AI. What dose that have to do with Robots?
Robots are not the same as AI? A robot can ether be a VI or an AI. We seen robot VI with the mechs in ME2. We only seen robots with AI's with the geth and the EVA body.

You don't get this? Just because they make a robot body does not mean it's easy to make an Ai for that robot body.
That means robot=/=to ai's.

And you still not getting that it took 10 years of upgrades for the geth to accedently becom aware. Tali tell you this in ME1. Legion shows you this in ME3. 
And the cdex tells you how hard it is to make an AI. IT IS NOT EASY.

Modifié par dreman9999, 24 octobre 2012 - 05:47 .

[Someone With Mass]

Okay. It is difficult to make the "right" type of AIs.

I'd assume that's what Cerberus would want and not some AI that runs away and tries to join up with another machine intelligence.

[dreman9999]

Podge 90 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...
So scientists in the ME universe can understand and make ships capable of travelling faster than light by the thousands, but can't build a robot?  Damn dreman you crazy.

They're so easy to make, the Quarians accidentally made them!

Cerberus could barely handle Overlord. They'd be doing the entire galaxy a favor by not trying to make more AIs. They'd probably end up making Catalyst 2.0.

And if they're so easy to make, then why can so few people control them?

Once EDI got loose, Cerberus couldn't even get control over her again, despite having backup programs for such an occasion.

Overlord wasn't about building an AI.

'Ease of building' isn't about controlling them once built.

Caution is not a valid reason to say they are "hard" to build.  Caution indicates they are difficult to keep under control, to avoid another incident like the Geth.  Different things.

More like they are just afrade that the geth incident will happen agein, not that AI's are hard to control. If that was the case, Legion and EDI would never follow you.

[Podge 90]

dreman9999 wrote...
It failed at reading? I ask how easy it was to make an AI. What dose that have to do with Robots?
Robots are not the same as AI? A robot can ether be a VI or an AI. We seen robot VI with the meachs in ME2. We only seen robots with AI's with the geth and the EVA body.

You don't get this? Just because they make a rpbot body does not mean it's easy to make an Ai for that robot body.
That means robot=/=to ai's.

And you still not getting that it took 10 years of upgrades for the geth to accedently becom aware. Tali tell you this in ME1. Legion shows you this in ME3. 
And the cdex tells you how hard it is to make an AI. IT IS NOT EASY.

You failed to read "through" the word robot.  You know, like how people call the Geth "toasters"?  BUT THE GETH AREN'T TOASTERS THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A SLOT FOR BREAD.  That's where you failed, silly billy.

And I already answered your point about the Quarians, but you probably couldn't read that either.  They were doing everything within their means to avoid an AI, but did so anyway.

edit for quote pyramid.

Modifié par Podge 90, 24 octobre 2012 - 05:50 .

[dreman9999]

@Podge 90

Here's the thing. The geth was not easy to make AI's. It took 10 year for them to be accedentally made. Just becasue it was made by accident doe s not mean AI's are easy to make. Sure they did every thing they could to make sure the geth did not becaome AI, but that does not mean making AI's is easy. The geth themselves as VI's are extremely complex to make.

You have yet to prove how easy Ai are to make. The geth,which stated out as extremely complex VI's which were extremely hard to make, is not  an examlple of an AI's ease to make.

Modifié par dreman9999, 24 octobre 2012 - 05:57 .

[Steelcan]

l7986 wrote...

Meh it's like they wanted Miranda on the Normandy again. Then said **** it lets not have her on and after a bit comprimised on having EDI be the random look at my ****** and ass chick.

. If only..............