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[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Solmanian wrote...

You need to remember EDI took EVA's body. EVA was an infiltration droid masquerading as a human female, so lack of vagina would've been awkward especialy if she's required to do soduction missions. So, basicaly EDI is walking around naked.
The real questions are: how came nobody noticed that EVA's hairdo is made from a single solid piece of metal? Why didn't EDI put on some skin like EVA? Or maybe some clothes? And even if her skin is bullet proof, a little armor hasn't hurt anyone; so why does someone whose name is an acronym for Enhanced Defence Inteligence, didn't consider putting on a hardsuit for when walking into warzones?

Seduction can work without needing that particular body part.

Plus, EDI mentions one time in the club that the hair can act like seperate strands of hair, but she uses that form to provide an extra layer of protection.

Look up female spys.You'll find that part ofthe body is needed.

*facepalm* One does not need to have sex with another to "seduce" them.

But there are case where you do. Not everyone give up into onthe same level of seducing. Spy work is about preping about the unexpected and patience.

[dreman9999]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

What i dislike about her body, is that it makes EDI to try to be something that "she" is not....that is a woman.

No matter what she does, EDI can never be female/woman. That doesn't mean she can't grow as a character, or grow more closely to Joker, but it doesn't have to be like a man with woman romance.

I don't get the reason why an AI that isn't human, nor man or woman, has to mimic one, including having a body meant to be human like.

If EDI ever was given a body, it would have been more interesting if the bodies design did not have parts which would have made said body look like a certain gender.

Thankfully bungie/343 has not given Cortana a body, and also have not given "her" a romance with the Chief. That is smart, sure Cortana and Chief do have a close connection (and from the recant halo 4 trailer, it looks like in a way, the Chief views Cortana as sort of a motherly figure to him) but they do not need a romance to expand or show growth to Cortana or John.

Sure i don't mind an AI that though isn't technically female, has a female like personality, but i don't think that personality requires said AI to take the next step and even be more like a woman, meaning having a physical body with boobies and ******, and being sexually attracted to men.

Just wish there was an option in ME3, that our Shepard could have denied EDI her body. Basically tell her that you just want her in the ship where she belongs.

I don't see how Edi is trying to be a woman. In fact out side of her body being female like, how is EDI like a woman?

[Podge 90]

You don't half sprout some nonsense dreman. Your breath must stink with the amount of faeces that fall out your mouth.

[David7204]

Personally, if and when AIs are even invented in the real world, I think this kind of thing would be a lot more likely than people think.

The reason why is simple. If you've made an Artificial Intelligence, you've already gone 99.99% down that road. You've done all the serious work. You might as well go that last .01% and make it doable.

[dreman9999]

Podge 90 wrote...

You don't half sprout some nonsense dreman. Your breath must stink with the amount of faeces that fall out your mouth.

AKA, I can counter you points...So I'm going to use insults.

Modifié par dreman9999, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:56 .

[me308f1cd5c]

Podge 90 wrote...

You don't half sprout some nonsense dreman. Your breath must stink with the amount of faeces that fall out your mouth.

Can't people here act like civilized gentlemen?  Just because its the interenet, doesn't mean we have to resort to insults.

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Cortana's level of think is the same, not persona.  It can be the same persona because the person she is based off is still alive.

2. Just because theirs an avitar does not mean the person would treat them like a person. That was the case with EDI in  ME2. She was treated like a part of the ship, not more like a person. When she got the body she was treated like a person.

3.It more like you can't grow as a person with out taking risks. EDItake that body was a risk being that she could of been regectedon a socila level because of the action. She took a risk to learn more about human and to be more human.

1. Errr, what?

2. Joker would like to talk to you about that.

3. So... risking herself by possibly hacking or avoiding Reapers isn't a risk? Ok.

1. In Halo, it said the prosses of basing the Ai of a person kills that person. Which is why they clone the person and use te brain scan of the clone.

2.Joker is not he entire crew.

3....Edi would not be hacked because her Eva body is caught. She can just cut the connection to it.

1. Yeah, I know that, but I don't know what you mean by "level of think". Kinda lost there honestly.

2. True, but he still does it and so does Shepard (at least mine did). Also, I'm quite sure Gaby, Ken, and Adams treat her like a person without the need for a body.

3. But the Reapers could, possibly, try to force a connection to the Normandy. Or she could try to hack them. Both involved risk without the body.

[Ticonderoga117]

David7204 wrote...

I distinctly remember playing through the level where the Gravemind speaks to you, and he says "Of course...you have come to find...her!." He says it almost reverently.

The hallucinations don't help things either.

I don't think that was reverently. *Goes back to check scene*

It's more like a taunt/realization. Gravemind wonders why you've come then he realizes you've come for Cortana, partly because you need her copy of the index, and partly because you made a promise.

[Norwood06]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

Can't people here act like civilized gentlemen?  Just because its the interenet, doesn't mean we have to resort to insults.

^

[Podge 90]

dreman9999 wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

You don't half sprout some nonsense dreman. Your breath must stink with the amount of faeces that fall out your mouth.

AKA, I can counter you points...So I'm going to use insults.

No, not quite.  I think you need to re-read this thread, in particular mine and other people's responses to your comments.  Your illiteracy is mind-numbing, and to be honest, added to your complete inability to comprehend what you read (or even say) I have absolutely no desire to engage with you. I find it quite tragic how much you try as well, how much you're here, picking over every post with completely terrible counter-points.  I mean, I've posted a lot today, a lot more than usual, but you're always here, blindly defending a video game, breathing through your mouth and avoiding any stance that comes within even touching distance of objectivity.

If you're going to reply, try and not make any spelling mistakes, because the way you express yourself is absolutely dire.

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Cortana's level of think is the same, not persona.  It can be the same persona because the person she is based off is still alive.

2. Just because theirs an avitar does not mean the person would treat them like a person. That was the case with EDI in  ME2. She was treated like a part of the ship, not more like a person. When she got the body she was treated like a person.

3.It more like you can't grow as a person with out taking risks. EDItake that body was a risk being that she could of been regectedon a socila level because of the action. She took a risk to learn more about human and to be more human.

1. Errr, what?

2. Joker would like to talk to you about that.

3. So... risking herself by possibly hacking or avoiding Reapers isn't a risk? Ok.

1. In Halo, it said the prosses of basing the Ai of a person kills that person. Which is why they clone the person and use te brain scan of the clone.

2.Joker is not he entire crew.

3....Edi would not be hacked because her Eva body is caught. She can just cut the connection to it.

1. Yeah, I know that, but I don't know what you mean by "level of think". Kinda lost there honestly.

2. True, but he still does it and so does Shepard (at least mine did). Also, I'm quite sure Gaby, Ken, and Adams treat her like a person without the need for a body.

3. But the Reapers could, possibly, try to force a connection to the Normandy. Or she could try to hack them. Both involved risk without the body.

1. I mean level of thinking. AKA, she can think like a genius but does not have the memory and persona of that genius she is based of.
2.You and your Shepard is not the crew. Gaby and Ken treat he more like a person after she has the body. Adams is a very unique person as seen in ME3 withhis conversations.
3.EDI is an AI based on reaper tech. She can counter that and cut off the connection. As seen in ME2 , she is not easy to hack.

Modifié par dreman9999, 24 octobre 2012 - 09:26 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

For the record, I have no problems with her body, just the cam toe, it isn't as in your face as Miranda's ass though.

TL:DR cam toe was for the lulz.

[dreman9999]

Podge 90 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

You don't half sprout some nonsense dreman. Your breath must stink with the amount of faeces that fall out your mouth.

AKA, I can counter you points...So I'm going to use insults.

No, not quite.  I think you need to re-read this thread, in particular mine and other people's responses to your comments.  Your illiteracy is mind-numbing, and to be honest, added to your complete inability to comprehend what you read (or even say) I have absolutely no desire to engage with you. I find it quite tragic how much you try as well, how much you're here, picking over every post with completely terrible counter-points.  I mean, I've posted a lot today, a lot more than usual, but you're always here, blindly defending a video game, breathing through your mouth and avoiding any stance that comes within even touching distance of objectivity.

If you're going to reply, try and not make any spelling mistakes, because the way you express yourself is absolutely dire.

You're the only one that responed negaively base on what I said to you. In fact,look back on our converstaion,There was also a person supporting my point.

Yes still have not anwsered my question on how easy it it to make an AI.

Modifié par dreman9999, 24 octobre 2012 - 09:27 .

[M Hedonist]

Podge 90 wrote...

No, not quite.  I think you need to re-read this thread, in particular mine and other people's responses to your comments.  Your illiteracy is mind-numbing, and to be honest, added to your complete inability to comprehend what you read (or even say) I have absolutely no desire to engage with you. I find it quite tragic how much you try as well, how much you're here, picking over every post with completely terrible counter-points.  I mean, I've posted a lot today, a lot more than usual, but you're always here, blindly defending a video game, breathing through your mouth and avoiding any stance that comes within even touching distance of objectivity.

If you're going to reply, try and not make any spelling mistakes, because the way you express yourself is absolutely dire.

I like this person.

[Solmanian]

David7204 wrote...

I'll probably write a longer version of this sooner or later, but I don't feel much like writing an essay right now.

Anyway, EDI's character arc was one of my favorite parts of not only ME 3, but the series in general. In fact, I think I would consider EDI my favorite character aside from Liara, Garrus, and Tali.

BUt EDI's body has gotten a lot of flak on the BSN. The main complant that seems to be implied is that basically, EDI was 'sexualized' to draw in the nerdy teenage boy and basement dweller crowd because they love sexy robots.

Frankly, I think that is ridiculous, based on the way EDI is handled in the game. Whenever romance or sex comes up with EDI, it's clearly written to be endearing and humerous, not sexually enticing. If the point was really to draw in players with sex, I think it's pretty obvious that EDI would have been made a love interest and been present in ME 3's advertising.

Well she's naked, and her anatomy looks ridiculos.
Also it's sexbots, not sexy robots. Sexy robots are huge battlemechs bristling with guns, because guys get turned on by powerfull machines and extreme firepower. No point denying it, I dare you to pilot the new japanease battlemech with getting "aroused".

Sexbots are robots you can have sex with. Since EDI has a vagina and walks around naked, she fits the profile.

Image: Looks up sexbot on google. finds tons of pictures of EDI. Automaticaly wins argument.

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. I mean level of thinking. AKA, she can think like a genius but does not have the memory and perona of that genius she is based of.
2.You and your Shepard is nt the crew. Gaby and Ken treat he more like a person after she has the body. Adams is a very unique person as seen in ME3 withhis conversations.
3.EDI is an AI based on reaper tech. She can counter that and cut off the connection. As seen in ME2 , she is not easy to hack.

1. Ah. Gotcha. Memory yes, not availible, but persona? I would say that's arguable. Again, it's been noted that both Cortana and Halsey (Her creator and mental blueprint) have similiar character traits.

2. So? That's still a rather lage amount of people we can actually see react to EDI without the need for a body. The actual crew we see interact with EDI is very small and are forced to rely on the writers (who seem to be iffy on some things) to get that across. I still say that the crew did treat her well before having a body.

3. Well in ME2 we don't face a Reaper head to head. ME3 involves a lot of them in close proximity.

[Ticonderoga117]

Solmanian wrote...
*snip*

That is a Warlord Titan from the Adeptus Mechanicus and I feel somewhat insulted with it being possibly labeled as Japanese. Also, it's badass on legs.

[M Hedonist]

Solmanian wrote...

Sexy robots are huge battlemechs bristling with guns, because guys get turned on by powerfull machines and extreme firepower.

Wha-what?

Since EDI has a vagina

I definitely have to spend less time on BSN. I think I can feel my brain melting away...

[Icinix]

Art Book : Needed more sexy.


That is my problem with it.

Of all the things that Mass Effect 3 actually needed - more sexy was not it.

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. I mean level of thinking. AKA, she can think like a genius but does not have the memory and perona of that genius she is based of.
2.You and your Shepard is nt the crew. Gaby and Ken treat he more like a person after she has the body. Adams is a very unique person as seen in ME3 withhis conversations.
3.EDI is an AI based on reaper tech. She can counter that and cut off the connection. As seen in ME2 , she is not easy to hack.

1. Ah. Gotcha. Memory yes, not availible, but persona? I would say that's arguable. Again, it's been noted that both Cortana and Halsey (Her creator and mental blueprint) have similiar character traits.

2. So? That's still a rather lage amount of people we can actually see react to EDI without the need for a body. The actual crew we see interact with EDI is very small and are forced to rely on the writers (who seem to be iffy on some things) to get that across. I still say that the crew did treat her well before having a body.

3. Well in ME2 we don't face a Reaper head to head. ME3 involves a lot of them in close proximity.

1. Persona is memory based. So not the same memoried means not the same persona.
If cortana and Halsey have character traits it more similer of a case of parent and child. Not identical clone.

2. Well yes. As a person, no. Only some people on the ship did so.

3.That does not matter. If that was the case then having the nomady near reapers is a risk. Edi has a massive ammout of protecting ageinst reaper hacking. Heck, her job on th ship is electronical defence. She is made to hack things and to protect the ship form being hacked.

[rekn2]

Solmanian wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'll probably write a longer version of this sooner or later, but I don't feel much like writing an essay right now.

Anyway, EDI's character arc was one of my favorite parts of not only ME 3, but the series in general. In fact, I think I would consider EDI my favorite character aside from Liara, Garrus, and Tali.

BUt EDI's body has gotten a lot of flak on the BSN. The main complant that seems to be implied is that basically, EDI was 'sexualized' to draw in the nerdy teenage boy and basement dweller crowd because they love sexy robots.

Frankly, I think that is ridiculous, based on the way EDI is handled in the game. Whenever romance or sex comes up with EDI, it's clearly written to be endearing and humerous, not sexually enticing. If the point was really to draw in players with sex, I think it's pretty obvious that EDI would have been made a love interest and been present in ME 3's advertising.

Well she's naked, and her anatomy looks ridiculos.
Also it's sexbots, not sexy robots. Sexy robots are huge battlemechs bristling with guns, because guys get turned on by powerfull machines and extreme firepower. No point denying it, I dare you to pilot the new japanease battlemech with getting "aroused".

Sexbots are robots you can have sex with. Since EDI has a vagina and walks around naked, she fits the profile.

Image: Looks up sexbot on google. finds tons of pictures of EDI. Automaticaly wins argument.

just googled sexbot, didnt find a single pic of edi until page 2 and not a signle one after that until page 8. ill also say that a lot of what googled pulled up was way out of context or had nothing to do with sex or robots in any way

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Persona is memory based. So not the same memoried means not the same persona.
If cortana and Halsey have character traits it more similer of a case of parent and child. Not identical clone.

2. Well yes. As a person, no. Only some people on the ship did so.

3.That does not matter. If that was the case then having the nomady near reapers is a risk. Edi has a massive ammout of protecting ageinst reaper hacking. Heck, her job on th ship is electronical defence. She is made to hack things and to protect the ship form being hacked.

1. I'm going to have to go with a "not really", but since we hardly unserstand our brains I think it's best to just leave it since anythign else would just be pointless.

2. How do we know? That doesn't really come up. Sure she says it's "better", but that's not exactly specific.

3. Very true, but the Reapers still have tons more processing power. Sad that this wasn't brought up much but oh well. Would've made a nice "deadline" to a mission since EDI would only be able to hold out so long or whatever.

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Persona is memory based. So not the same memoried means not the same persona.
If cortana and Halsey have character traits it more similer of a case of parent and child. Not identical clone.

2. Well yes. As a person, no. Only some people on the ship did so.

3.That does not matter. If that was the case then having the nomady near reapers is a risk. Edi has a massive ammout of protecting ageinst reaper hacking. Heck, her job on th ship is electronical defence. She is made to hack things and to protect the ship form being hacked.

1. I'm going to have to go with a "not really", but since we hardly unserstand our brains I think it's best to just leave it since anythign else would just be pointless.

2. How do we know? That doesn't really come up. Sure she says it's "better", but that's not exactly specific.

3. Very true, but the Reapers still have tons more processing power. Sad that this wasn't brought up much but oh well. Would've made a nice "deadline" to a mission since EDI would only be able to hold out so long or whatever.

1. A persons persona is based in their limpic system. It's also efected by the persons memeory. A persons persona is not hard wired to be one way. If it was, identical twins persona would be the same...Which they are not. Traits is not the same as persona. A person can say they hav some personal traits of there parents persona, but that does not mean they persona is exatly like there parents. The same as sibalings.
Cortana and Halsey may have similar character traits but that does not mean they are the same person.

2.Yes, we do. Look at the reaction of the crew in ME2 post suicide mission.

3.But since it not there that means it not a problem. Processing power does not mean insant  hacking.

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. A persons persona is based in their limpic system. It's also efected by the persons memeory. A persons persona is not hard wired to be one way. If it was, identical twins persona would be the same...Which they are not. Traits is not the same as persona. A person can say they hav some personal traits of there parents persona, but that does not mean they persona is exatly like there parents. The same as sibalings.
Cortana and Halsey may have similar character traits but that does not mean they are the same person.

2.Yes, we do. Look at the reaction of the crew in ME2 post suicide mission.

3.But since it not there that means it not a problem. Processing power does not mean insant  hacking.

1. Gonna have to break over to the Halo wiki to break this down here.
"Cortana seems to share her creator's memories, thoughts, opinions, and
even values. When she was asked by Dr. Halsey to pick a "carrier",
Cortana chose John-117 for his neural compatibility. She is not only a
facsimile of Dr. Halsey's mind, but also a replica of her physical form,
albeit at a younger age."
I think that's enough on that.

2. Not sure what you mean. Granted, it has been a little while since I loaded up ME2.

3. No, since it's not there the writers didn't bother to put it in. Also, I never said it would allow "instant hacking". I'm just saying that since the Reapers could possibly wield greater processing power, they could possibly try to mess with EDI, since she's an AI and all.

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. A persons persona is based in their limpic system. It's also efected by the persons memeory. A persons persona is not hard wired to be one way. If it was, identical twins persona would be the same...Which they are not. Traits is not the same as persona. A person can say they hav some personal traits of there parents persona, but that does not mean they persona is exatly like there parents. The same as sibalings.
Cortana and Halsey may have similar character traits but that does not mean they are the same person.

2.Yes, we do. Look at the reaction of the crew in ME2 post suicide mission.

3.But since it not there that means it not a problem. Processing power does not mean insant  hacking.

1. Gonna have to break over to the Halo wiki to break this down here.
"Cortana seems to share her creator's memories, thoughts, opinions, and
even values. When she was asked by Dr. Halsey to pick a "carrier",
Cortana chose John-117 for his neural compatibility. She is not only a
facsimile of Dr. Halsey's mind, but also a replica of her physical form,
albeit at a younger age."
I think that's enough on that.

2. Not sure what you mean. Granted, it has been a little while since I loaded up ME2.

3. No, since it's not there the writers didn't bother to put it in. Also, I never said it would allow "instant hacking". I'm just saying that since the Reapers could possibly wield greater processing power, they could possibly try to mess with EDI, since she's an AI and all.

1.EDIT. Never mind found it. Guess we can't call Halo hard science.
3.And Edi would detect it and counter it or even abandon her body. But it was not put in the story so it does not matter.

Modifié par dreman9999, 24 octobre 2012 - 10:09 .