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[upsettingshorts]

This thread has a simple premise:

If you were given the choice in a hypothetical future Dragon Age game between origins (defined as separate and distinct playable prologues that provide a background and context for your protagonist's journey) and racial choice (defined as being able to select from a variety of fantasy races in the character creator) which would you prefer, and why?

For the purposes of this discussion, assume that the game that has origins does not have racial choice (all origins would be human) and the game that has racial choice does not have origins (all start in the same place in the same fashion, such as in Baldur's Gate or NWN).

If you can't endorse the existence of one without the other, than this is not the thread for you.  The discussion thread on the human protagonist in DA3 would probably be more appropriate. 

EDIT: A couple clarifications based on trends so far:

For this poll, do not assume that human-only origins are anything like the backgrounds in Mass Effect.  They would be like DA:O's origins, except human-only.

More importantly, to those who voted Depends on Content - or anyone who wants to change their vote at any time - I am editing the original post to assume that both options share an equal amount of content in the "main" game, so please re-vote.

The purpose of this thread is to isolate a specific feature - origins vs. races - by making everything else about the hypothetical game equal to determine which one matters most to players.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:43 .

[Emzamination]

Origins -- no question.

[Maria Caliban]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

This thread has a simple premise:

If you were given the choice in a hypothetical future Dragon Age game between origins (defined as separate and distinct playable prologues that provide a background and context for your protagonist's journey) and racial choice (defined as being able to select from a variety of fantasy races in the character creator) which would you prefer, and why?

Probably races.

Because human women are always shorter than human men, but sometimes there will be races where the women are taller than human men. Given as humans tend to be the most abundant race, that means I'll probably be taller than the majority of NPCs I interact with, as opposed to the default where I'm shorter.

And no, body types don't help. I've played TOR and the tallest woman is the same height as the shortest man.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 24 octobre 2012 - 07:37 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

Origins. Without hesitation.

(Even though I love playing as a dwarf.)

[thebigbad1013]

To me, origins. The selection of race would mean little if the difference was only cosmetic and the content would be the same regardless of whether you pick an elf, dwarf or whatever. Origins allows you to shape your character and give him or her a unique starting point for their individual journeys. So if the choice was one or the other, I'd definitely go with origins.

[Kerilus]

If I absolutely HAVE to choose, then Origin, of course. It brings details about your character's life, reasons that shape his/her personality, characters from the origin that provides further influence in the story(best examples: Renden Howe/ Bhelen). While race is but a part of origin, that which provides more variety to the origin of your character.
So, it's like you're asking if I prefer chicken breast or gravy. I need me some chicken breast for dinner, but without the gravy, it's gonna be unbearable for some, or bothersome to others, at least.
If that chicken breast is perfectly marinated, tender and juicy, however, I don't think many people would complain about it being dry.

[MorningBird]

I might as well weigh in on this too. It was the origin story that made me so attached to my city elf rogue in Origins. I like playing 'underdog' characters, and you don't get more downtrodden then a city elf or casteless dwarf. I would jump at the chance to play as an elf again, but so long as there's an origin in DA3 that I like, I'll be satisfied, and I'm sure there will be. (Y)

[TEWR]

I think I'd lean more towards races. It allows different viewpoints, reactions, and ideally opens the way to new paths.

Origins are nice though, don't get me wrong. But if I was given a choice between playing a Dwarf throughout a game and playing a short prologue sequence, I'd probably go Dwarf.

Though I'd like both to exist in a game -- and be much better then Origins -- because they complement each other nicely. Still, I could endorse the either/or scenario.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 24 octobre 2012 - 07:52 .

[jkflipflopDAO]

Both. I like the idea of each race having special dialogs and situations during the course of the game. If I'm playing an archer, I'd like to be a Dalish. If I'm going to be a two-handed warrior I'd probably go with a qunari or a dwarf.

The Origins really help to cap this off by way of a "special" thing for each one of those choices right from the get-go. Every playthrough feels kind of fresh with Origins because of it. Even so far as in the alienage there's a wicked little branch if you're a female elf opposed to a male elf. It's not a huge thing, but then again if it's not a huge thing it's not that big of a deal to create it then, right?

Yeah. Game needs to be A LOT more Origins and a lot less DA2.

[labargegrrrl]

just a note...

for anyone who's never done the orlesian warden in DAA before thinking about this to give it a shot. (or to replay one or two as a refresher, if you've done it before and have the time/inclanation to do it again.) you get a good feel for that blank-slate type of background within the DAverse. with multiple races. that way you can compare to classic warden origins, as well as hawke. there are also reference the pc's character background a few times in dialogue (nothing very specific, but it's there), so you can get a sense of that as well.

i don't think it will be quite the same kind of thing they'll be doing with DA3, and the ferelden-orlais dynamic is present where it may or may not be in the next game. but it's something to work with, and for those of us who have trouble divorcing race and origin in our heads, i think it helps.

(especially for people like me, would couldn't stand more than 2 minutes of ME play, and just aren't getting the comparisons as well as the co-fans are!)

[Icinix]

In the event that I was forced to choose between the two - I would choose Origins.

Unique content based on a class is more interesting than slight variation in dialogue due to race.

[Arppis]

Emzamination wrote...

Origins -- no question.

This.

And playing as human is always much more interesting than other races. Always.

As for why? Because with different origins, you get more gameplay and more interesting sittulations than you would ever get by race choice.

Modifié par Arppis, 24 octobre 2012 - 07:56 .

[Fredward]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

This thread has a simple premise:

If you were given the choice in a hypothetical future Dragon Age game between origins (defined as separate and distinct playable prologues that provide a background and context for your protagonist's journey) and racial choice (defined as being able to select from a variety of fantasy races in the character creator) which would you prefer, and why?

Probably races.

Because human women are always shorter than human men, but sometimes there will be races where the women are taller than human men. Given as humans tend to be the most abundant race, that means I'll probably be taller than the majority of NPCs I interact with, as opposed to the default where I'm shorter.

And no, body types don't help. I've played TOR and the tallest woman is the same height as the shortest man.

So size DOES matter! XD


Origins for me. Remember peoples, that the game can respond to where you COME from just as easily as what race you are. A noble totally not being treated the same as a peasant for instance. YOU COULD HAVE BOTH. Just... differently. xp

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 24 octobre 2012 - 07:57 .

[Brohammed]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

This thread has a simple premise:

If you were given the choice in a hypothetical future Dragon Age game between origins (defined as separate and distinct playable prologues that provide a background and context for your protagonist's journey) and racial choice (defined as being able to select from a variety of fantasy races in the character creator) which would you prefer, and why?

For the purposes of this discussion, assume that the game that has origins does not have racial choice (all origins would be human) and the game that has racial choice does not have origins (all start in the same place in the same fashion, such as in Baldur's Gate or NWN).

If you can't endorse the existence of one without the other, than this is not the thread for you.  The discussion thread on the human protagonist in DA3 would probably be more appropriate. 

Its hard to seperate them. Racial origins was sick because it really explored the cultures and races of the world AND allowed you a ton of character depth.

If I had to choose between human only origins OR races, it would be origins only with the stipulation that the humans came from vastly differnt cultures and social strata.

edit: would the race effect other aspects of the game? NPC dialouge / quests etc? Because then its races hands down.

Modifié par Brohammed, 24 octobre 2012 - 07:59 .

[Arppis]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

This thread has a simple premise:

If you were given the choice in a hypothetical future Dragon Age game between origins (defined as separate and distinct playable prologues that provide a background and context for your protagonist's journey) and racial choice (defined as being able to select from a variety of fantasy races in the character creator) which would you prefer, and why?

Probably races.

Because human women are always shorter than human men, but sometimes there will be races where the women are taller than human men. Given as humans tend to be the most abundant race, that means I'll probably be taller than the majority of NPCs I interact with, as opposed to the default where I'm shorter.

And no, body types don't help. I've played TOR and the tallest woman is the same height as the shortest man.

And there was no "beefed up" female bodytype either. Or was it the fat bodytype that was removed? I forgot. But the TOR female bodytypes were very similar. Anyhows, tall women are quite hot.

And anyone saying size doesn't matter is full of crap!

Modifié par Arppis, 24 octobre 2012 - 07:59 .

[Icinix]

Arppis wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

This thread has a simple premise:

If you were given the choice in a hypothetical future Dragon Age game between origins (defined as separate and distinct playable prologues that provide a background and context for your protagonist's journey) and racial choice (defined as being able to select from a variety of fantasy races in the character creator) which would you prefer, and why?

Probably races.

Because human women are always shorter than human men, but sometimes there will be races where the women are taller than human men. Given as humans tend to be the most abundant race, that means I'll probably be taller than the majority of NPCs I interact with, as opposed to the default where I'm shorter.

And no, body types don't help. I've played TOR and the tallest woman is the same height as the shortest man.

And there was no "beefed up" female bodytype either. Or was it the fat bodytype that was removed? I forgot. But the TOR female bodytypes were very similar. Anyhows, tall women are quite hot.

And anyone saying size doesn't matter is full of crap!

Size does matter...

...you CAN go to big....


...in certain character creators I mean.

[Blackrising]

Origins. Always.

[Yobel]

I don't understand people who chooses origins. Race variety gives people different styles of gaming and visual variety for the whole game. All that origin gives is few first hours of different gameplay and few dialogues lines in the process later.

Choice is simple for me. Races.

[Icinix]

YobelX wrote...

I don't understand people who chooses origins. Race variety gives people different styles of gaming and visual variety for the whole game. All that origin gives is few first hours of different gameplay and few dialogues lines in the process later.

Choice is simple for me. Races.

It really depends on how much is affected by the game.

If races had a major affect (beyond visual affect) and had signifigant plot changes and dialogue then yes - definitely races.

But if it was at the level of DAO or Skyrim (minimal impact) - then I would rather the unique starting origins for my multiple play throughs.

Although in a perfect world - both would be glorious.

[TheCharmedOne]

Definitely Origins!

[Scott Sion]

Arppis wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

This thread has a simple premise:

If you were given the choice in a hypothetical future Dragon Age game between origins (defined as separate and distinct playable prologues that provide a background and context for your protagonist's journey) and racial choice (defined as being able to select from a variety of fantasy races in the character creator) which would you prefer, and why?

Probably races.

Because human women are always shorter than human men, but sometimes there will be races where the women are taller than human men. Given as humans tend to be the most abundant race, that means I'll probably be taller than the majority of NPCs I interact with, as opposed to the default where I'm shorter.

And no, body types don't help. I've played TOR and the tallest woman is the same height as the shortest man.

And there was no "beefed up" female bodytype either. Or was it the fat bodytype that was removed? I forgot. But the TOR female bodytypes were very similar. Anyhows, tall women are quite hot.

And anyone saying size doesn't matter is full of crap!

https://encrypted-tb...N1gxDKCkm93tsqB

Nope.

Race.

Modifié par plnero, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:17 .

[Biotic Sage]

Origins without a doubt. For me the origins increased the level of...intimacy? there's a better word here...between myself and my player character much more than what race I was did. It makes the PC's struggle more unique and personally grounded.

[Kerilus]

YobelX wrote...

I don't understand people who chooses origins. Race variety gives people different styles of gaming and visual variety for the whole game. All that origin gives is few first hours of different gameplay and few dialogues lines in the process later.

Choice is simple for me. Races.

A good origin involves how certain characters later in the game interacts with the pc too. Not to mention how certain characters are even involved in the main story line, like Bhelen and Howe.