Races. Hands down.
Origins vs. Races: Which is more important?
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#102
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 08:24
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I'm actually fine with either, assuming the following are true:
1. Origins are not referenced much at all later in the game. They all converge at some point, and the rest of the game plays out with only some small cosmetic differences based on your origin choice.
2. A racial choice that doesn't have an origin gets roughly equal amounts of content throughout the game that are affected by that racial choice... e.g. a group of elves may treat an elf PC differently than a human PC, or a dwarf PC is the only type of PC that can become the king of Kal-Sharok.
The way I see it, the rough amount of content I get each playthrough is the same. So long as the content is fun to play, I'm fine with either.
1. Origins are not referenced much at all later in the game. They all converge at some point, and the rest of the game plays out with only some small cosmetic differences based on your origin choice.
2. A racial choice that doesn't have an origin gets roughly equal amounts of content throughout the game that are affected by that racial choice... e.g. a group of elves may treat an elf PC differently than a human PC, or a dwarf PC is the only type of PC that can become the king of Kal-Sharok.
The way I see it, the rough amount of content I get each playthrough is the same. So long as the content is fun to play, I'm fine with either.
#103
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 08:25
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Origins, without a doubt!
But, let it be said that Origins with different races increases the variety and interest said Origins might potentially have, because, as seen in DA:O, you get to experience different cultures with beings of different looks, attitudes, etc. You can argument that an european is culturally and socially very different from an australian aboriginal, and you'd be right. But both are still, for example, living under the sun and not hundreds of meters underground in majestic cities carved out from the stone like the dwarves, all conquering towering and muscular horned giants like the kossith or nimble and thin tree huggers with pointed ears like the elves. You could add all those features to humans, but would they still be humans and not different races at that point?
I would also argument that the cost of making an Origins type of content with humans only is much higher than making different races. Because those Origins will still have to have different locales, models for places and characters, etc. I'd wager that the cost of modelling different races is rather trivial in comparison and as such, if you're going to make Origins, you should just go ahead and also create different races. It all adds to create a diverse and more appealing world.
DA:O proves that both features go together extremely well and provide extra hours of gameplay, lore and fun even after you're done with your main adventure, even if you stop playing after each origin is over and the main plot starts (which is what I've done with the different Origins in DA:O and enjoyed them immensely for all the extra plot and lore details as well as different locales
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But, let it be said that Origins with different races increases the variety and interest said Origins might potentially have, because, as seen in DA:O, you get to experience different cultures with beings of different looks, attitudes, etc. You can argument that an european is culturally and socially very different from an australian aboriginal, and you'd be right. But both are still, for example, living under the sun and not hundreds of meters underground in majestic cities carved out from the stone like the dwarves, all conquering towering and muscular horned giants like the kossith or nimble and thin tree huggers with pointed ears like the elves. You could add all those features to humans, but would they still be humans and not different races at that point?
I would also argument that the cost of making an Origins type of content with humans only is much higher than making different races. Because those Origins will still have to have different locales, models for places and characters, etc. I'd wager that the cost of modelling different races is rather trivial in comparison and as such, if you're going to make Origins, you should just go ahead and also create different races. It all adds to create a diverse and more appealing world.
DA:O proves that both features go together extremely well and provide extra hours of gameplay, lore and fun even after you're done with your main adventure, even if you stop playing after each origin is over and the main plot starts (which is what I've done with the different Origins in DA:O and enjoyed them immensely for all the extra plot and lore details as well as different locales
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Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 08:29
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Race. Even if you don't have a different origin, your experience in the game is going to change based on how your character sees and identifies his/herself, other people and the world and how other people see and identify you.
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#105
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 08:38
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Races, any day of the week. Even without an origin, an elf would be looked upon differently than if they were a human, it's kind of like having both. Plus, I despise humanity in Thedas.
#106
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 08:38
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@Upsettingshorts, my vote goes to races.
#107
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 08:49
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Upsettingshorts wrote...
A couple notes:
For this poll, do not assume that human-only origins are anything like the backgrounds in Mass Effect. They would be like DA:O's origins, except human-only.
More importantly, to those who voted Depends on Content - or anyone who wants to change their vote at any time - I am editing the original post to assume that both options share an equal amount of content in the "main" game, so please re-vote:
Brohammed
Icinix
Dean_the_Young
FemaleMageFan
leonia42
(Make note if you are re-voting)
I just want you to know this is a crippling grey choice.
And I don't like you for it...
..but I stick with Origins.
#109
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 09:36
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Tough choice, but race selection.
#111
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 09:38
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This is easy. Races.
Racial choice expands roleplaying opportunities. Origins limit roleplaying opportunities. I don't see why they're being presented as similar.
Racial choice expands roleplaying opportunities. Origins limit roleplaying opportunities. I don't see why they're being presented as similar.
#112
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 09:39
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Sylvius the Mad wrote...
This is easy. Races.
Racial choice expands roleplaying opportunities. Origins limit roleplaying opportunities. I don't see why they're being presented as similar.
Because the phrase "roleplaying opportunities" is not the same thing as saying "good game". (Although, of course, YMMV)
#113
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 09:40
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Definitely racial choice. Coming up with multiple origin stories means taking away from the story elsewhere. If people want choice different races give them that choice.
#114
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 09:41
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Maclimes wrote...
Sylvius the Mad wrote...
This is easy. Races.
Racial choice expands roleplaying opportunities. Origins limit roleplaying opportunities. I don't see why they're being presented as similar.
Because the phrase "roleplaying opportunities" is not the same thing as saying "good game". (Although, of course, YMMV)
To Sylvius, it is, but let's cut that sidetrack off before it starts. But yes, people have their preferences.
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#115
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 09:42
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I'd like racial choices more if I had to pick between the two, but I believe origins and races work best when they're together.
#116
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 09:42
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Origins. I love dwarves but backrounds--if done correctly--would be far more interesting to me.
#118
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 09:43
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Kerilus wrote...
A good origin involves how certain characters later in the game interacts with the pc too. Not to mention how certain characters are even involved in the main story line, like Bhelen and Howe.
In the majority of cases the DAO origins barely affected the rest of the game.
What other game went to the extent of DAO in terms of multiple origin stories anyway?
#120
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 09:44
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Morroian wrote...
What other game went to the extent of DAO in terms of multiple origin stories anyway?
As far as I know, the only game to have multiple playable backgrounds like DA:O was... DA:O.
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#121
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 09:48
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The origins always struck me as a way to sneak in fixed backgrounds for the PC. They just let us choose among several so it wouldn't be obvious that we were losing design freedom.
I called them on this before DAO was even released.
I called them on this before DAO was even released.
#122
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 09:49
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Ehh I'd be fine with either. I play human mostly so, I'd get more mileage out of origins I imagine.
#123
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 09:54
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I'd say race. Though both aren't in DA3 so it doesn't matter which one I like.
#124
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 09:58
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Origins
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#125
Posté 24 octobre 2012 - 10:02
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DarkKnightHolmes wrote...
I'd say race. Though both aren't in DA3 so it doesn't matter which one I like.
Origins are.
