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[upsettingshorts]

challenger18 wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

I'd say race. Though both aren't in DA3 so it doesn't matter which one I like.

Origins are.

No they aren't.  Non-playable backgrounds are.  But that is off topic, for discussion of DA3's protagonist there is this thread.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 24 octobre 2012 - 10:08 .

[challenger18]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

challenger18 wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

I'd say race. Though both aren't in DA3 so it doesn't matter which one I like.

Origins are.

No they aren't.  Non-playable backgrounds are.  But that is off topic, for discussion of DA3's protagonist there is this thread.

None playable backgrounds, your character's origin or you're character's history. They mean the same thing for this feature, playability was not a factor.

[upsettingshorts]

PurebredCorn wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Right, assume for example that in the racial option game, Elf-centric content would exist. In the origin option game, Poorhuman-centric content would exist. Or whatever the origin happened to be.

This confuses me. I thought races wouldn't be referenced at all except maybe in coversations. Is that what you mean by content?

What I mean is that when people say, "It would depend on which mattered more in the main game" I want to cut off that line of thinking by asserting that in this hypothetical game, each would have the same amount of referential content on the main game.  As to how that would specifically manifest itself, that's getting too far into specifics for the question being asked.

The purpose of the hypothetical as posed is to isolate racial choice and origins with all else being equal period.  In other words "it would depend..." and "all else being equal" are in contradiction, and I want the thread to be more about the latter.

challenger18 wrote...

None playable backgrounds, your character's origin or you're character's history. They mean the same thing for this feature, playability was not a factor.

From the OP:

If you were given the choice in a hypothetical future Dragon Age game between origins (defined as separate and distinct playable prologues that provide a background and context for your protagonist's journey) and racial choice (defined as being able to select from a variety of fantasy races in the character creator) which would you prefer, and why?

Please folks, the idea here is very simple:

If you had to pick between only racial options and only playable origins like DA:O, which would you pick and why?

That's all there is to it, there's no trick, and it isn't about DA3.  It's a very general, hypothetical question.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 24 octobre 2012 - 10:23 .

[challenger18]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

If you were given the choice in a hypothetical future Dragon Age game between origins (defined as separate and distinct playable prologues that provide a background and context for your protagonist's journey) and racial choice (defined as being able to select from a variety of fantasy races in the character creator) which would you prefer, and why?

Yes, I understand that. I was speaking on the general notion that in DA3 you will not be able to pick a race other than human and you will be stuck with one default background (origin) for your character.

[Darth Krytie]

Origins, because I want where I start to matter. I've played games with a racial selection, and it rarely mattered beyond starting stats. I care more about the story.

[Bob Garbage]

I don't see that it makes a difference, as long as it's done well. Indifferent, says I.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Origins.

[jillabender]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

This is easy. Races.

Racial choice expands roleplaying opportunities. Origins limit roleplaying opportunities. I don't see why they're being presented as similar.

I think I understand what you mean, in the sense that playing through a background story keeps you from having complete freedom to imagine your character's personal history for yourself.

Personally, though, I really enjoy the origin stories – because they allow me a lot of freedom to decide for myself how my character was shaped by his or her background, I'm willing to trade the complete freedom to invent my character's history for the opportunity to see my character interacting in the game with characters he or she grew up with.

Maybe this preference on my part has something to do with the way that being given a background story and allowed to play around with it takes away some of the inhibitions I might have about stepping into the role of a character I've created.

So, to answer Upsettingshorts' original question, playable background stories add more to my enjoyment than race options, all things being equal. Of course, as I've said before, the absence of both or either isn't a deal-breaker for me.

Modifié par jillabender, 24 octobre 2012 - 10:46 .

[Xewaka]

Species.
If implemented correctly, species based content trigger would be, by neccessity, more divergent than origin-based content. The difference in exclusive content between a Surface Dwarf and a City Elf will, due to the backgrounds associated, be higher than the difference between a merchant human and a farmer human. Therefore, the game gains breadth and reactivity on a higher scale.

[Sylvius the Mad]

The actual content of the origins in DAO was terrific. I don't dispute this. DAO was a brilliant game, and the origins were themselves excellent.

But they limit character design freedom.

That said, the origins were quite open. The Mage and Elf origins limited design freedom only a tiny bit. DAO's origins were done about as well as I think origins can be done, and I certainly wouldn't object to their inclusion.

But if I'm choosing between origins an race options, I think that's a no-brainer. I choose races.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 24 octobre 2012 - 11:07 .

[Dhiro]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

The actual content of the origins in DAO was terrific. I don't dispute this. DAO was a brilliant game, and the origins were themselves excellent.

But they limit character design freedom.

That said, the origins were quite open. The Mage and Elf origins limited design freedom only a tiny bit. DAO's origins were done about as well as I think origins can be done, and I certainly wouldn't object to their inclusion.

But if I'm choosing between origins an race options, I think that's a no-brainer. I choose races.

I did like that the mage Origin didn't force you to be ignorant about what's happening around Ferelden just because you were part of the Circle.

[Il Divo]

Origins. I like the added replayability and that each Origin provided a different perspective on a group in Thedas.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Dhiro wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

The actual content of the origins in DAO was terrific. I don't dispute this. DAO was a brilliant game, and the origins were themselves excellent.

But they limit character design freedom.

That said, the origins were quite open. The Mage and Elf origins limited design freedom only a tiny bit. DAO's origins were done about as well as I think origins can be done, and I certainly wouldn't object to their inclusion.

But if I'm choosing between origins an race options, I think that's a no-brainer. I choose races.

I did like that the mage Origin didn't force you to be ignorant about what's happening around Ferelden just because you were part of the Circle.

The mage origin is easily my favourite.

The dwarf origins were, I think, the most restrictive origins, though I did also really enjoy them as self-contained units.  But I find it more difficult - particularly with the Casteless Dwarf - to design a wide variety of characters there.

Obviously, having origins is far better than having just one fixed background, which is why I think people like the idea when they compare DAO to DA2, but if I compare DAO to KotOR or NWN, I just can't say origins make the overall game better.  Though the overall game may well have been better.

[the_one_54321]

How about a "Blank" origin. Being allowed to actually make up your own character (to at least a larger degree) would be nice.

[Vit246]

Nevermind.

Modifié par Vit246, 24 octobre 2012 - 11:37 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

the_one_54321 wrote...

How about a "Blank" origin. Being allowed to actually make up your own character (to at least a larger degree) would be nice.

I've specifically asked for this as an available background in DA3 (since backgrounds have been confirmed).

As yet, BioWare has not responded.

[Fast Jimmy]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

How about a "Blank" origin. Being allowed to actually make up your own character (to at least a larger degree) would be nice.

I've specifically asked for this as an available background in DA3 (since backgrounds have been confirmed).

As yet, BioWare has not responded.

Would such a background never show any reaction to your past? And would it give no information about how you became, say, an Inquisitor?

[the_one_54321]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
How about a "Blank" origin. Being allowed to actually make up your own character (to at least a larger degree) would be nice.

I've specifically asked for this as an available background in DA3 (since backgrounds have been confirmed).

As yet, BioWare has not responded.

Would such a background never show any reaction to your past? And would it give no information about how you became, say, an Inquisitor?

They could, reasonably, just give you the option to refuse to answer certain questions.

[Dr. Explosion]

Origins

[Wynne]

I like origins, whether playable or not as long as they're detailed and have impact within the game world over more than a single quest and a few minor NPC lines, but... assuming all body types are the same, choosing a race/species/whatever the hell you want to call it would be my priority.

If I could play a tall, muscled warrior woman like Rowan, a lithe skinny mid-sized rogue, and a tiny slightly plump mage with elegant features, I would enjoy that very much--and I might pick origins instead.

But if I could have all of the above, I'd snatch them up in a heartbeat. I <3 choice.

Modifié par Wynne, 25 octobre 2012 - 12:19 .

[Tommyspa]

Origins over race by a large degree. Race selection wasn't why I played every race in DAO, the origins were.

[Auintus]

Darth Krytie wrote...

Origins, because I want where I start to matter. I've played games with a racial selection, and it rarely mattered beyond starting stats. I care more about the story.

This one's got it figured out.

[Maria Caliban]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...


So size DOES matter! XD

You bet your sweet bippy!

Author's Note: I have never tasted Foopydoopydoo's bippy and am going by rumors only.

EntropicAngel wrote...

You're basing this all on being taller than men?

Yes.

Rather, being 'tall' in the game world means being taller than human men.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 25 octobre 2012 - 02:11 .