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[Fast Jimmy]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
How about a "Blank" origin. Being allowed to actually make up your own character (to at least a larger degree) would be nice.

I've specifically asked for this as an available background in DA3 (since backgrounds have been confirmed).

As yet, BioWare has not responded.

Would such a background never show any reaction to your past? And would it give no information about how you became, say, an Inquisitor?

They could, reasonably, just give you the option to refuse to answer certain questions.

Bioware has gotten flak for their Refuse options before...

[wsandista]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
How about a "Blank" origin. Being allowed to actually make up your own character (to at least a larger degree) would be nice.

I've specifically asked for this as an available background in DA3 (since backgrounds have been confirmed).

As yet, BioWare has not responded.

Would such a background never show any reaction to your past? And would it give no information about how you became, say, an Inquisitor?

They could, reasonably, just give you the option to refuse to answer certain questions.

Bioware has gotten flak for their Refuse options before...

Well played.

[TheShadowWolf911]

honestly i can't really say one is better then the other.

[dragonflight288]

For me, I love playing as a dwarf and making fun of the Maker and the Chant of Light. But if anything, I would prefer the origins. I just love the idea of a fallen hero going through a trial by fire to redemption. The Dwarven Noble was a lot of fun. I started out as an arrogant snot-nosed snob who maintained tradition like the rest of them, but loses everything, is considered to not even exist, and through his actions, redeem himself and become something new (at least, that's the way I roleplay. Start off evil and become more reluctantly good and just. Unable to look past injustice when its put in front of him because he experienced it and saw it firsthand on the surface.)

If there's an origin like that in DA3, that'll likely be the one I play.

[ohnotherancor]

Hmm....I prefer playing characters who are seen as the "Other" in my first playthrough. It's something I heavily relate with.

This can happen with origins (especially socially inequitable ones), but I prefer races.

[Allan Schumacher]

wsandista wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
Bioware has gotten flak for their Refuse options before...

Well played.

Indeed....

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 25 octobre 2012 - 06:11 .

[BerzerkGene]

Well Race comes with different origins in DA. An Elf cannot be a Noble, a Dwarf cannot be a Mage and a Human cannot be a Dalish.
The origins were wonderfully varied. And yeah it was nice the impact each one had on the various bits of the story(i haven't done them all so i don;t know all of them). With Hawke the only real origin bit was if you were a mage or not. Still like Hawke but kinda disappointed that you can't play as a Kossith or Elf. I would probably go with human initially just to be a male human mage, which have been my 'canon' protagonists through my adventures, the first two being related.

[Meltemph]

Race - Assuming I got a boatload of Dwarf lore from this happening. However, I like origins too, so no love loss there.

[ElitePinecone]

Origins, distinct (and unique) content that allows us to further customise the protagonist is much more valuable to me than racial options.

[LliiraAnna]

I would choose origins, races are less important to me

[WotanAnubis]

I lean towards race, but it all depends on the setting.

If we're playing in a society where race doesn't matter much but social standing does, different Origins would be more interesting.

Likewise, if we're playing in a society where social standing is largely meaningless, but people pay a lot of attention to your race, different Races would be more interesting.

[CELL55]

I would prefer origins, as I hardly ever play as a race other than human, and felt no loss at not being able to play another race in DA2.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Would such a background never show any reaction to your past?

I would think so.

And would it give no information about how you became, say, an Inquisitor?

Unless becoming an Inquisitor is part of the game itself (I would expect that, too, much like becoming a Warden was part of DAO).  If the PC starts the game as an Inquisitor, then yes, I would expect the game never to mention how that happened.  Just like how the NWN OC never mentions how or why the PC was a student at the Neverwinter Academy.

the_one_54321 wrote...

They could, reasonably, just give you the option to refuse to answer certain questions.

My first response to this was "Why bother?"  I was thinking of in-game conversations, wherein there's no requirement that the PC be answering those questions truthfully.  But if you're referring to questions during character creation where we establish a background, then yes, simply letting us skip some or all of the questions would serve nicely.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 25 octobre 2012 - 04:50 .

[WardenWade]

I realize this is not an ideal answer to the OP, but I would have to say both races and origins for me. In DA:O both felt tied together to me. IMO the way races are portrayed in the DA series almost necessitates origins in some way, as experiences vary so between them (and indeed, within races).  It seems, perhaps, to me that you cannot have one without the other. 

I apologize for the unsatisfactory answer in terms of the OP.  Thank you for posting this topic, upsettingshorts, it is an excellent one to consider

EDIT: To elaborate, if it helps at all, I wonder if race-specific content could easily verge into what IMO could be considered origin-specific content as well?  For example, assumptions about the background and upbringing, etc., of a character of a certain race might likely be made by NPCs even in a strictly race-based playthrough (Thedas being what it is), shading into what might be perceived as an intended origin for even a generic "elf" or "dwarf" PC. 

And though, with the OP, we are considering a hypothetical game, in DA3 we for example will have origins that are likely tied directly to our human protagonist.  I imagine these origins could not in theory work for another race, showing how tightly woven IMO race and background are often presented to be in the DA series.  I feel they are inextricably linked with origins as they have been presented to us so far.  I may not have explained that well previously and for that, and the problematic answer, I apologize.

Modifié par WardenWade, 26 octobre 2012 - 05:13 .

[DarthLaxian]

well, i would say:


wait for it...


wait for it...


BOTH!

why?

because not having race options does limit the origins that can be presented (at least by lore), because say a human can not start out as an elven keeper (which would have been an origin i would have loved!) or an elf-servant or slave that becomes a magister...also a human can't start of as say (call me WEIRD) a Golem whose controll-rod broke and that is now striking out on his/her own...a human can't be talvashot either IMHO (at least we have not seen a human ex-quunari yet)...also elf-of-old is not possible either as origin...(could think of many many more...but now i just want to shake my head at so much lost potential...EA, that is probably your doing, because IMHO voiced protagonist comes from you as well as many other streamlining things!)

so, what is still possible? - or rather, what would make accepting that they threw out one of the best features of DA:O - again - even after we complained, shouted and begged them to bring it back since DA2 came out?

well, i want to be able to start of in different nations firstly (say, orlais, tevinter, nevarra, rivain etc), then i want to choose my class and then i want to choose some more background like for a mage in tevinter there would be mage and magister (like mage-lord and mage-commoner), for say the chasind there would be warrior/rogue and wild mage/witch of the wilds etc.

and - IMPORTANT:

i want to play those origins (not just klick them like in Mass Effect) and i want them to - at least a little (i am not a radical when it comes to this) - influence happenings in the game, not all the time, but at certain points (meaning: i do not want that anybody sees from 10 miles away that i am a tevinter magister and a bloodmage and fears me, but i would want happenings like meeting people from the origin or well informed people to know things about my character and act accordingly - meaning: say the divine with her seekers might know that i am a magister, but she also knows how i do things like do i kill innocents, do i help people, do i use force instead of diplomacy or things like that and she behaves differently depending on what i did and what and who i am...but peasant xyz or small-time noble xyz does not know who i am and thus will not distrust me at first)

so, that's it...

wait:

i want to decide how tall my character is, because i hate it that a strong and powerfull women is always smaller then a men in the game...why is that, that is crap IMHO...i like tall women (i would not have a problem if my GF would be taller then me...why should I?)!

greetings LAX

[Koffeegirl]

I would have to go with Origins. The main reason that I enjoyed playing different races in Dragon Age Origins, was the unique backstories for the character. For example, the dwarf commoner and dwarf noble or the Dalish elf and City Elf have very different origin stories, despite being the same race. Even being a human noble is very different from being a human mage raised in a tower.I hope for the Inquisitor, while we will not get to play the origin stories that the background origins are equally as different for the protagonist. I hope that as well instead of just reading a text paragraph of background , we get an introductory cut scene showing the background origin or flashbacks in the game that show it. I'm hoping that npcs treat you different depending on the origin you pick.

[upsettingshorts]

Answering both in this thread just makes me sigh, as it's a pretty arrogant thing to do. "Forget your premise, OP, it's not good enough for me!"

Please put your "we need both" posts in the human protagonist in DA3 thread.

Henceforth all "both" votes will be collected under a Wall of Shame in the next tally

[Emzamination]

The indecisiveness being portrayed in this thread is a bit revolting, Tbh.

[the_one_54321]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
Bioware has gotten flak for their Refuse options before...

Well played.

Indeed....

Why exactly did people complain about being allowed to not answer? 

[Xewaka]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
Bioware has gotten flak for their Refuse options before...

Well played.

Indeed....

Why exactly did people complain about being allowed to not answer?

In case it is not apparent, is an oblique reference to the refusal option added in the extended cut ending for ME3. Most people who asked for that kind of option found the result... unpleasant.

[Wozearly]

I would have to go with Origins...

Although with a large seventy foot high caveat in flashing letters that because the combation of both Origins and Races works together so well, this isn't a particularly great choice to have to make.

[labargegrrrl]

i actually had to think about this question for a good long time...

for me, race wins by a very narrow margin.

who a pc is at PRESENT in a game may be equally important to who they WERE during early play, but i think what defines a pc more is who that pc is and becomes as the player shapes her/him.

while the origin of a pc may cause impacts during play (the past jumping up to bite you in the @ss or help you b/c someone thought you were great back in the day), it would make sense for that to be less and less true as time progresses in that character's story. seems as though trying to make a pc's past impact her/his story for the duration of a game that may take place over a span of a year or more would be a bit of a stretch as far as storytelling goes.

race, however, is highly visible no matter how much time passes. you can't change it, hide it, or always avoid other character's perceptions of it. race COULD impact a pc's story continuously throughout the course of play. (could. as in hypothetical. i was hoping they would bring it back and make it have more impact than it did in DAO.)

of course, it's all a matter of preference. some people want more blank-slate-y-ness and some don't.

[SgtElias]

If I had to choose, I'd probably choose the origins. I really love playing a dwarf, but having a playable origin that introduces me to the character and that I can reference and have referenced later is something I really enjoy.

Don't get me wrong; I enjoy playing other races. Still, I'd vote origins.