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[Rawgrim]

WhiteThunder wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

Origins are more important than races, but races are more important than a voiced protagonist or multiplayer.

An a voiced protagonist ismore important to a narrative.

See, we can do this all day as to what is more important or not, really. Doesn't mean any of it is true, it just means were exercising pure hyperbole to tell an opinion. 

How is a voiced protagonist important to the narrative?  Can books not tell a compelling narrative?  Is Game of Thrones better than A Song of Ice and Fire?  Is Disney's "The Sword in the Stone" better than the first book of The Once and Future King?  Is Baldur's Gate 2 a worse narrative than Assassin's Creed?

Or Planescape Torment. A game famous for its storytelling, rather than its gameplay.

[LinksOcarina]

WhiteThunder wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

Origins are more important than races, but races are more important than a voiced protagonist or multiplayer.

And a voiced protagonist ismore important to a narrative.

See, we can do this all day as to what is more important or not, really. Doesn't mean any of it is true, it just means were exercising pure hyperbole to tell an opinion. 

How is a voiced protagonist important to the narrative?  Can books not tell a compelling narrative?  Is Game of Thrones better than A Song of Ice and Fire?  Is Disney's "The Sword in the Stone" better than the first book of The Once and Future King?  Is Baldur's Gate 2 a worse narrative than Assassin's Creed?

Thats my point, It's not. but your comment is nothing but hot air as well since its subjective and an opinion.

I don't even have to believe it to make it sound like the truth, I just have to put it out there and see if it sticks. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 27 octobre 2012 - 11:11 .

[upsettingshorts]

It's also a discussion that would fit better in the Dragon Age 3 to use a human protagonist thread.

Arguing over whether or not origins or races makes for a better narrative, on the other hand, seems perfectly on topic.

I mean, at some point all of these threads will end up being clones of each other - and thus getting locked - without some self-policing.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 octobre 2012 - 11:40 .

[Rawgrim]

LinksOcarina wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

Origins are more important than races, but races are more important than a voiced protagonist or multiplayer.

And a voiced protagonist ismore important to a narrative.

See, we can do this all day as to what is more important or not, really. Doesn't mean any of it is true, it just means were exercising pure hyperbole to tell an opinion. 

How is a voiced protagonist important to the narrative?  Can books not tell a compelling narrative?  Is Game of Thrones better than A Song of Ice and Fire?  Is Disney's "The Sword in the Stone" better than the first book of The Once and Future King?  Is Baldur's Gate 2 a worse narrative than Assassin's Creed?

Thats my point, It's not. but your comment is nothing but hot air as well since its subjective and an opinion.

I don't even have to believe it to make it sound like the truth, I just have to put it out there and see if it sticks. 

You just lost all credability when you claim Voiced Protagonist is more important to a narrative, mate. Add to the fact that you also claimed Bioware mostly makes games like Diablo, and that the MP multiplayer bit is a roleplaying game, you have pretty much struck out.

Have a nice evening.

[LinksOcarina]

Rawgrim wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

Origins are more important than races, but races are more important than a voiced protagonist or multiplayer.

And a voiced protagonist ismore important to a narrative.

See, we can do this all day as to what is more important or not, really. Doesn't mean any of it is true, it just means were exercising pure hyperbole to tell an opinion. 

How is a voiced protagonist important to the narrative?  Can books not tell a compelling narrative?  Is Game of Thrones better than A Song of Ice and Fire?  Is Disney's "The Sword in the Stone" better than the first book of The Once and Future King?  Is Baldur's Gate 2 a worse narrative than Assassin's Creed?

Thats my point, It's not. but your comment is nothing but hot air as well since its subjective and an opinion.

I don't even have to believe it to make it sound like the truth, I just have to put it out there and see if it sticks. 

You just lost all credability when you claim Voiced Protagonist is more important to a narrative, mate. Add to the fact that you also claimed Bioware mostly makes games like Diablo, and that the MP multiplayer bit is a roleplaying game, you have pretty much struck out.

Have a nice evening.

First off, a voiced protagonist may be more important to a narrative. It doesn't mean it is. 

Second, the point  I was making is this kind of thinking White Thunder was doing felt very objective, something this entire discussion is not. I don;t even care if the voice is in a game or not, as long as the narrative and the roleplaying are there I will be satisfied. the voice is inconsequential. 

Lastly, learn to read my posts, because I never said BioWare makes games like Diablo. I said that those who consider RP games like Diablo (the example you gave me) are not RPGs are wrong, and by their definition of what an RPG is, most of the BioWare games are not proper RPGs either. 

Seriously, don't put words in my mouth, its a major pet peeve of mine and really makes me want to yell at you. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 27 octobre 2012 - 11:56 .

[WhiteThunder]

@LinksOcarina

I thought it was implied that I meant "I think that origins are more important than races, but races are more important than a voiced protagonist or multiplayer."

[TobiTobsen]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

This is easy. Races.

Racial choice expands roleplaying opportunities. Origins limit roleplaying opportunities. I don't see why they're being presented as similar.

I agree with Sylvius on this one!

[Reptillius]

i can certainly appreciate both choices... And in fact in many ways have played both of them.

It puts me firmly in the Origins camp. I want more of a story to my character and a reaction to that story. Even if I can only be human.

To me the racial choice is more about flavor and I'd rather have story over flavour. We're ever to likely be treated quite like some of the races typically are. Simply because for a few of them that would make the game seem nearly unplayable. To illustrate what I mean. Imagine trying to play DA:O where you couldn't sell to most of the traders because they were sure your stuff was stolen being an elf...Specially a city elf.

[Emerald Rift]

As long as we get more lines and consequences I would pick origins.

[Archyyy]

Origins, no question. They provide background for my character which makes it far easier to immerse myself into the story. They also provide replay value. I usually play human anyways unless there are reces very human like (like elves) since its easier to immerse myself into humans and occasionally elves than it is to for example dwarves.

tl;dr
Origins for character background, immersion and replay value.

[LinksOcarina]

WhiteThunder wrote...

@LinksOcarina

I thought it was implied that I meant "I think that origins are more important than races, but races are more important than a voiced protagonist or multiplayer."

If I misread it, my fault. But I did not think it was implied. 

[Pedrak]

In a game with more different and "exotic" races (say, a Planescape game where you could be a Khaasta or a Bariaur or a Modron), I'd vote "Races" without the slightest doubt or hesitation.

Since the DA series mostly offers "classical", often-explored races (with the exception of the Qunari) - I choose Origins.

[ebevan91]

Origins by far. I'm OK with only playing as human, as long as we get 4-5 different origins for them.

[henkez3]

When well done? Origins. When it's half-assed I suppose I prefer the visual difference that comes with multiple races.

[Ozida]

Origins, IMHO. The only good way of treating races I saw was in Arcanum if you picked half-ogre or something similar. Yet, even in that game it came pretty stereotypical to "people will love you because you are a beautiful elf" and "you can craft armor better because you are a gnome", and so on. I mean, it is a canonical view of races so it is hard to be creative with it as with origins (for example, you are an elf that got cursed and people now hate you for how ugly you are, heh).

[WhiteThunder]

LinksOcarina wrote...

WhiteThunder wrote...

@LinksOcarina

I thought it was implied that I meant "I think that origins are more important than races, but races are more important than a voiced protagonist or multiplayer."

If I misread it, my fault. But I did not think it was implied. 

Damn, dude.  Do I come off as that arrogant and opinionated?