616 réponses à ce sujet

[AlviseVenice]

Noooooooooo my devastator mode !!!! );
And the Asari Sentinell is one of the most higly requested new class ? Oh come one..

[Grinch57]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

The Destroyer was ...

Just used your words so that it may trigger you seeing this in your comments.

I got a fifth CC for the Shaman, as did others.  No fifth slot.  Derek said a fifth slot for skin tone was coming out and now it's here and I got credit for the fifth CC, so there will be no sixth CC required to max that character.  

Thank you for tracking that.  A small nit, but still appreciate the level of detail to track and give folks credit for the card.

Back on topic, as you say, play the new balances and see how it goes.

Look forward to playing the Valkarie, it will make several players happy (Rebel Raven, I'm looking at you).

Also look forward to the new hazards.  I've really enjoyed the ones you've trotted out so far.  Good on ya.

[crju2005]

palker wrote...

What was wrong with suply pylon? It spawned grenades only once in a blue moon and now it will just spawn them on solar eclipses.

LOL  ^ and sad at the same time.   Grenades are the only thing they have...it is not like they have powers to fall back on. 

[T04stm4n]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

The Destroyer was frankly way too powerful and one of the reasons he was the most played kit in the game along with the Demolisher (they were both way above everyone else). Also, Devastator Mode made it very difficult to balance many weapons, especially weapons that have regenerating ammo (Collector Weapons) or get damage bonuses after a charge up time like the PPR.

Please test him in game before jumping to conclusions. He is still a very powerful kit.

I can jump to this conclusions because I already know my 3 shot raider and wraith are gone.
The conclusion is this: You took a VERY entertaining bonus away from people.  He was unique this way.  Squeezing that trigger one more time.

[Leland Gaunt]

Eric Fagnan wrote...
We are still looking at other balance changes, including some potential Gold changes for future updates. But we felt Bronze/Silver were higher priority since a lot more players play those 2 difficulties.

That confirms what I always felt: the nerfs and buffs cater to silver-level-players.
Nice to actually have that confirmed now, it explains a lot.

[DeadeyeCYclops]

so the delay was basically so you guys could think of more stupid **** to change... cheers mr **** nothing like ampin up anticipation just so you can ****** everyone off

[Ledgend1221]

T04stm4n wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

The Destroyer was frankly way too powerful and one of the reasons he was the most played kit in the game along with the Demolisher (they were both way above everyone else). Also, Devastator Mode made it very difficult to balance many weapons, especially weapons that have regenerating ammo (Collector Weapons) or get damage bonuses after a charge up time like the PPR.

Please test him in game before jumping to conclusions. He is still a very powerful kit.

I can jump to this conclusions because I already know my 3 shot raider and wraith are gone.
The conclusion is this: You took a VERY entertaining bonus away from people.  He was unique this way.  Squeezing that trigger one more time.

As well as the four shot BW.

[Lima54]

I'm glad I respeced my Destroyer yesterday to test the missile launcher.

[UB3RD4NG]

Cryo blast explosion needed a different fundamental buff: exploding frozen OR chilled targets.  As it stands, only unprotected targets can be cryosploded if using cryo blast, and this is especially magnified when compared to the ability of snap freeze to explode anything.

[baldmop]

Now dancing with brutes got interesting

[T04stm4n]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

T04stm4n wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

The Destroyer was frankly way too powerful and one of the reasons he was the most played kit in the game along with the Demolisher (they were both way above everyone else). Also, Devastator Mode made it very difficult to balance many weapons, especially weapons that have regenerating ammo (Collector Weapons) or get damage bonuses after a charge up time like the PPR.

Please test him in game before jumping to conclusions. He is still a very powerful kit.

I can jump to this conclusions because I already know my 3 shot raider and wraith are gone.
The conclusion is this: You took a VERY entertaining bonus away from people.  He was unique this way.  Squeezing that trigger one more time.

As well as the four shot BW.

Woulddnt the 4 shot BW still work?  It only needs a 25% increase and the new setup is 35%.

[The RequiemWolf]

This actually reminded me why I gave up most other games, the constant changes that weren't needed. Balance changes aren't something that should be placed on a character because it's better than other, it should be put between the characters and enemies.

Future nerfs will involve the Kroguard, Cerberus Harrier, Particle Beam Rifle, the Demolisher will take another nerf, the tech explosions are gonna take a hit, the Bloodlust will take a hit when most people move on to other games and the only thing left is Bronze and Silver.

The enemies will be buffed more and more as our weapons and characters are stripped. That's the balance. Make the enemies stronger and the characters weaker. I'd rather they just buff the enemies and leave our weapons as is, it makes no sense doing both other than simply trying to take away player advantage in the most extreme scenarios. But pay attention, the next thing people figure out that helps them in Platinum, it'll take a nerf. The Harrier is a sure bet after the pylon thing because as the above post said, just place it again. As long as you've got the Harrier the Demolisher didn't take a penalty so it IS in for it.

[kyles3]

Let the Turians roll already.

[RecoonHoodie]

Why the **** would you nerf Destroyer and Demolisher!?

[wdhsa]

super ultron wrote...

Fagnan: The Destroyer was frankly way too powerful and one of the reasons he was the most played kit in the game along with the Demolisher (they were both way above everyone else). Also, Devastator Mode made it very difficult to balance many weapons, especially weapons that have regenerating ammo (Collector Weapons) or get damage bonuses after a charge up time like the PPR.

Please test him in game before jumping to conclusions. He is still a very powerful kit.

-------

I agree 100% good work

This

[Schachmatt123]

What about the biggest problem for bronze/silver players? The collectors? Wasn't it stated in yesterday preview that they should be nerfed?

[Clayless]

The RequiemWolf wrote...

This actually reminded me why I gave up most other games, the constant changes that weren't needed. Balance changes aren't something that should be placed on a character because it's better than other, it should be put between the characters and enemies.

Future nerfs will involve the Kroguard, Cerberus Harrier, Particle Beam Rifle, the Demolisher will take another nerf, the tech explosions are gonna take a hit, the Bloodlust will take a hit when most people move on to other games and the only thing left is Bronze and Silver.

The enemies will be buffed more and more as our weapons and characters are stripped. That's the balance. Make the enemies stronger and the characters weaker. I'd rather they just buff the enemies and leave our weapons as is, it makes no sense doing both other than simply trying to take away player advantage in the most extreme scenarios. But pay attention, the next thing people figure out that helps them in Platinum, it'll take a nerf. The Harrier is a sure bet after the pylon thing because as the above post said, just place it again. As long as you've got the Harrier the Demolisher didn't take a penalty so it IS in for it.

This is true.

Expect nerfs on the next most used characters.

[LemurFromTheId]

Excellent changes despite all the whiners. Destroyer is much more interesting class now, I'm eager to try it out now.

[ReverendBeast]

BW have you done any market research as to why there are so many used me3 games available at GameStop recently??? I think this emphasis on "balance" has become a drive to move the game from cover based shooter to run and gun shooter may have something to do with it...
Time to put this game up for a while... All this balancing has made me unbalanced and anything that annoys me this much is not worth it. Really pylon nerfs??? How is that a balance issue again?

[TheNiddo]

Unneeded nerfs to the Destroyer and Demolisher were unneeded.

Devastator Mode too powerful? Almost all he has going for him is weapon damage. Multi-Frags are an emergency button, not a consistent damage dealer. The shoulder missiles are too hit or miss to be relied upon for staggering, let alone damage. And heck, have you ever tried delivering the pizza objective with it active? You just get slaughtered. I wasted three medi-gel against Cerberus while trying to do so before I just gave up and let somebody else move it more than ten steps.

He's meant to excel with the weapons he has in his hands: don't touch that. He's not even the best for higher difficulties, Geth Infiltrator and Krogan Vanguard are without a doubt superior, and the Human Adept is probably better against every non-Collector race. He's fourth at best. You could easily make arguments for other classes above him. He was the most played because he's the best class if you want to use the weapons you can't use on the majority of other classes because they weigh too much.

The ammo drop rate decrease on the Demolisher isn't surprising, but the nerf to bonus damage? That's just silly. Almost as silly as the fact that nothing about the Collectors were changed.

Roll back the Devastator Mode nerfs and the Demolisher damage boost nerfs. It's the smart thing to do.

Modifié par TheNiddo, 24 octobre 2012 - 06:14 .

[ZerebusPrime]

I'm going to have to rework my Destroyer now. I can't afford that 40% shield penalty for my hydra missiles.

EDIT: Misread it a few times, didn't get it until I looked it up in the game.  But is a 40% reduction reducing the 50% penalty down to 10% or reducing it down to 30% (40% of 50%)?

Modifié par ZerebusPrime, 24 octobre 2012 - 06:22 .

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I'm disapponted that the geth pyros weren't nerfed. And the basic turians still don't have a dodge.

[klokked]

Eric Fagnan wrote...
Devastator Mode Power
- Base magazine size bonus decreased from 25% to 15%
- Rank 2 magazine size bonus decreased from 10% to 5%
- Evolution 3 magazine size bonus decreased from 25% to 15%
- Evolution 4 rate of fire bonus decreased from 25% to 15%

Dude wtf. This was completely unnecessary.
Put it back please.

And on top of that, nothing has been done about the collectors.

While I seriously appreciate the Turian and Drell buffs as well as the release of the Asari Valkyrie Sentinel, I don't appreciate further nerfing Devastator mode.

You might as well throw in a rare rifle that fires nerf darts.
Oh wait. You already did. The Krysae.

Modifié par klokked, 24 octobre 2012 - 06:19 .