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[Mitriel]

I love Alistair! Since I've been playing with the game I find myself making more and more sarcastic jokes at work... ))

[13Dannyboy13]

Trajan60 wrote...

Alistair is the Carth Onasi of Dragon Age. Nobody recycles characters quite like Bioware.

Exactly! I hated Carth so much, I can't stand self-righteous characters like that. When I found out that you could actually kill Carth, I stopped my other characters and did a playthrough just so I could kill him.  Alistair reminds me way too much of Carth, it really does feel like they put Carth in the game and renamed him Alistair. Add to that that I can't help but make most of my characters cold hearted evil bastards, and Alistair quickly became my most hated character in the game.

[saruman85]

Eruanna Guerrein wrote...

LyonVanguard wrote...

Not
only does Alistair suck at fighting (seriously, he dies too quickly)
but the final sequence just ticks me off. I almost never use him but his
rants with morrigan are quite amusing.

That's a problem
with how you are speccing him, not with his abilities to tank.




I
think it's funny to see how many people get angry because so many more
think he's the ****. Jealous much?

Seconded! Sorry, but Alistair dying quickly is nonsense. He's saved my squishy mage butt too many times to remember. Alistair + good massive armour + Shield Wall = unkillable darkspawn wrecking machine. A sensitive, slightly insecure darkspawn wrecking machine, granted, but still.

Ascending-Gambit
wrote...



I generally like all characters
I've found except Wyne.

She is the only one who can't be funny in
conversations.



The best part for me with the companions is
listening to their conversations.

I'm sorry, but have you actually walked around with Wynne in your party? Face-to-face she's about as funny as Saddam Hussein, sure, but her party banter is among the most hilarious in the game. Take Oghren and Wynne and run around the entrance to the Dalish camp and eventually he'll offer her some ale:

Oghren: Why, Wynne, you're a woman after my own heart! If I wasn't strapped up in this armour I'd take you round that corner and...and--

Wynne: Give me more ale?

[Goldrock]

depends on how you use your characters and equip them because allistar normally outlives all my characters my normal group i go it with is morrigan allister and lelianna.


 and wynne put her in with the dwarf and they make for some decent comedy lol.

Modifié par Goldrock, 17 juillet 2010 - 04:38 .

[errant_knight]

Goldrock wrote...

depends on how you use your characters and equip them because allistar normally outlives all my characters my normal group i go it with is morrigan allister and lelianna.


 and wynne put her in with the dwarf and they make for some decent comedy lol.

Yeah, I really don't understand how anyone can NOT end up with Alistair being the strongest fighter. Even if the PC is a sword and shield warrior, too, you still have to spend points on cunning and coercion that you don't with him. The fade mostly makes up for it, but not entirely. I suppose if you don't bother with cunning, but... Anyhoo, You get him so very early, you can level him up into a real power house. If Alistair dies, it's not his fault, it's his build. If you leave him in camp all the time and don't pay any attention to his stats, or improve his armor, yeah, he's going to die, but that's really not a problem with the character.

Modifié par errant_knight, 17 juillet 2010 - 05:04 .

[Lord_Saulot]

errant_knight wrote...

Goldrock wrote...

depends on how you use your characters and equip them because allistar normally outlives all my characters my normal group i go it with is morrigan allister and lelianna.


 and wynne put her in with the dwarf and they make for some decent comedy lol.

Yeah, I really don't understand how anyone can NOT end up with Alistair being the strongest fighter. Even if the PC is a sword and shield warrior, too, you still have to spend points on cunning and coercion that you don't with him. The fade mostly makes up for it, but not entirely. I suppose if you don't bother with cunning, but... Anyhoo, You get him so very early, you can level him up into a real power house. If Alistair dies, it's not his fault, it's his build. If you leave him in camp all the time and don't pay any attention to his stats, or improve his armor, yeah, he's going to die, but that's really not a problem with the character.

But the PC gets extra talent points at a few plot points, and can get tomes throughout the game to augment him in various ways.  In my first playthrough, my character was sword/shield, and was basically a more powerful version of Alistair, though I specced them mostly the same.

[magechron]

Yeah but the Player Character is supposed to be stronger even with same specs.

[Thiefy]

i love how the people who hate alistair whine about his whininess



/amused

[Anathemic]

Alistair is a whiny brat.

*Spoilers alert*



Even at Redcliffe when he suggests to kill Conner, he still freagin' tells me off. The Landsmeet. however, was the breaker for me. Loghain is a better asset alive than dead and Alistair leaves the Grey Warden order because he has a damn tantrum, even goes against the words of the senior Grey Warden Riordan. If Duncan were there to witness he would be facepalming.



*Spoilers End*

Alistair sucks

[Elhanan]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

i love how the people who hate alistair whine about his whininess

/amused

THIS!

[CoM Solaufein]

Every game needs their emos.

Kotor had Carth.

Kotor 2 had Disciple

BG2 had Anomen.

DA has Alistair.

[FriendlyFiend]

I'm normally pretty calm and I almost always end up making the "noble" choices for my characters in RPGs but REALLY! I could never ever tire of slapping Alistair - his speeches about Duncan are delivered like a 5-year-old bemoaning a dead pet, his responses to gifts sound like a would-be prom queen being given a corsage and his alleged jokes are telegraphed by his tone of voice three sentences in advance. If I could donate him for experimentation by blood mages I'd do it like a shot.

[Wolverfrog]

Alistair is great.

[Blessed Silence]

ROFL and this topic is brought back to life!



*takes out jumper cables*

[Bahlgan]

Elhanan wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

i love how the people who hate alistair whine about his whininess

/amused

THIS!

lol agreed, those people are a bunch of high school musical hypocrites!! 

[Gezeppi]

Considering his somewhat sheltered background and small number of meaningful relationships, I can understand why he keeps bringing up Duncan from time to time. Guy was very important to Alistair. Not to mention the entire tone of the main quest being a nigh impossible herculean task couldn't put him in that much of a chipper mood.

Then again, I don't really have a problem with a character in long term mourning, and it's not like he brings it up in every conversation. It's just a "Man, I wish Duncan was here, he'd know what to do *frown*" every now and then, all of which can be remedied by a single dialogue option. Folks just need to loosen up. I'll admit that the Landsmeet decision kind of ticked me off in the sense that it was lacking a shade of gray, but whatcha gonna do?

Alistair is more of an impassioned buddy-cop character, in my opinion.

Modifié par Gezeppi, 05 août 2010 - 04:42 .

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Alistair is one of those characters that grew on me. Before the game's release I grew very tired of all the damn squeeing about him in forum spam by fangirls of the game...then the Alistair threads were overrun by Zevran threads so I got tired of sifting through Zevran threads more. They are both okay characters, Alistair can be a bit too smarmy at times and at inappropriate moments but on average he's funny. His serious dialogues were the better ones, the humor is truely off and on for me. One of my female characters flirted with him a bit but he's too much of a wimp so I didn't take the romance much further. I might see the romance plot through with another character, he's better than Zevran at least. Most people seem to like him, but one of the previous posters is correct, Sten would toss him clear across Lake Calenhad with ease.

[GwaR9292]

Zabaniya

[SarEnyaDor]

I'm fairly sure Alistair hates you, too. LOL

[Limorkil]

I agree that Bioware seems to like putting these whiny male characters as major companions in their games, although I do not think Alistair is all that bad. At least he has a silly sense of humor and reacts with some sarcasm. I would not compare him to Carth, as I hated everything about that guy. At least Alistair can be useful in combat (if built right) whereas Carth was always pretty useless. If I have to cart the guy around for plot reasons then the least he can do is fight.



And you forgot the paladin from Neverwinter Nights 2 - Casavir was it. He was one of the romance interests and he was basically the same as Carth and others.



This thread has also failed to mention that all the lead female characters in Bioware games are basically the same. Morrigan is pretty much a marginally less annoying Bastilla as far as I can see. In fact, all Bioware females with the exception of Wynne (who I still dislike) are just bad imitatons of Viconia and Imoen from Baldur's Gate.



As for men disliking the guy and women liking him, I have to say that the women round here seem to have pretty low standards. If there were no Alistair then we would be hearing about how great Sten and Zehvran are. Meanwhile, the guys just appreciate anyone with breasts who is younger than Wynne and better looking than dog. No dialogue necessary.

[Snelle Jaap]

Alistair is ok but when you have to chose...you know when

His reasons for it are just wrong, And then he is so bad he wiling to leave and become ..you know to kill of that guy.
made me puke all over him and send him off to a pleasure cruise...

Don't know if this makes sense but you know

Modifié par Snelle Jaap, 11 août 2010 - 05:31 .

[Kail Ashton]

I see a troll opened up a can of fangirl arse whoop'n

[Burningwolf]

For all those of you who hate Alistair...play DSC.The endo of that will make you feel better about putting up with him....