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[Silentbob711]

Ya been playing since the demo released and don't have the harrier. Don't have any ur to X yet either. And why the F do people give a F about what other people like to play as??!! I have so much more to say but I'd rather not get myself banned.

[dream3873]

Optimisticalman wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

The turians are too new. Notice the time from when the destroyers and demolishers came in, to their current nerf. The turians will be nerfed but only some time later.

The GI is currently unnerfable because his powers are shared by others. Nerfing him means nerfing classes that were never super powerful.

I seriously think they should have split the powers so that it had the same name but could be configured differently, such as the arc grenades of the QMI/QME and the demolisher. Both have the same name and similar effects but are different powers in the system

So because a class is new gives him a right to be broken?

I can solo gold with this dude and i was never able to do this before. But he's new, so i guess that gives me some more weeks of easy credits. The GI i agree, but the GI isn't the immortal one in this situation.

The problem is that while you can Solo Gold with this guy I or other folks cannot. I can solo Gold with a Krogan Sentiel so should he be nerfed also?

[DeltaSerpentis.m]

Clearly Balkan wrote...

Keep your filthy hands OFF from Infiltrator class in general.

Fu*king whiners - ruin of every game.

AMEN!

Glass cannons are supposed to be insane DPS machines...until something shoots back...hence the "Glass" in "Glass cannon"

So stay the **** away from the Gethfiltrator

[Major Durza]

Optimisticalman wrote...

-JP- wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Andreadg89 wrote...

No thanks. Why we have to nerf all the good character this game has? Why?

Because it breaks the game, for me at least. i have played with this new turian and have gotten so bad with so many other characters because it puts you in a lazy mindset. Literally while i'm playing with fury - "why play a fury when i can have infinite shields and boss decimating damage?" *switches back to ghost infiltrator*

There should be no character that is insta-win and the fact that this guy isn't ultra-rarity is even more confusing.

You're saying you can't enjoy the game because ONE character makes the game too easy for you? And that you cannot make yourself play anything else because you're too ****ing lazy? And this should be reason enough for Bioware to ruin said character for most EVERYONE else?

That's such an egocentric view of Mass Effect I don't know what to say. Oh, wait. I do:

Stop being such a lazy crybaby and play something else.

So it's ok when they nerf destroyer and demo? But when anyone nerfs your precious (who have honestly been much more powerful), you jump with hostility? You're funny. And your rage just makes this 100X better. I'm only lazy because this character allows me to be. I don't have to focus when using a ghost infily, but it's fair for me to have to do so with every other character right?

False:
You are only EVER lazy because you CHOOSE to be.  You are not a mouse, you are a human F*cking being.  You have control over yourself, and you refuse to take responsibility for yourself even in a video game.  Following that logic, welfare exists, so it means you can be lazy and have no job.  Not your fault you don't want a job, that you are lazy, the government is making you lazy.

Cut the crap, you're lazy because you want to be.

[Optimisticalman]

Major Durza wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

GI is squishy in a lot of people's hands and an absolute wrecking ball in others.

TGI is too new to evaluate yet. A lot of people play it because it is A)new B)an infiltrator C)a class that make ARs awesome.

or D) It's much easier to use and maneuver than every other character.

There have been planty of times when I tried to get in cover and flew a few meters to the left instead.
Or just jetting against a wall getting shot at because a lot of the maps are too CQC for the jetpacks to not hinder you.

Optimisticalman wrote...

Major Durza wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

oh and i forgot to mention i haven't failed a single gold since this guy came out.

Do not play as the character, and PUG against Collectors, then come back and tell us how easy Gold is now.

Lol, i solo collectors with this dude. Are you serious?

Missing the point, WITHOUT the character.
If you hate it so much, and it is making you "lazy" then why play it?  Why surrender your free will to a playable character?
Do you really need Bioware to nerf something for you to no longer use it?
I cannot even begin to explain how apalled I am at this line of thought.  The need for a higher power to make a change, to solve your laziness and complacency.  If you become (or are) unhealthily fat, should your government ban cake so you will not eat it?
Do you have no control over yourself?  "Its not my fault, the class is making me play as it!  Its making me lazy and complacent!  This spoon is making me fat!"

Come on, get a hold of yourself.  A higher power does not need to solve your problems.
Or perhaps is that just too American of a mindset for you?

This thread is pitiful.

Many others have stated that his mobility was better than vorchas and the fact that you even mentioned cover for this dude tells me you're not serious. I can use whatever class i please, my problem is there is no reason to use any other class. I want to win cerberus - turian infilty, reapers?- turian infilty, collectors? - mr.infiy, geth? - why hello again mr.turian

[Operator m1]

Optimisticalman wrote...

Many others have stated that his mobility was better than vorchas and the fact that you even mentioned cover for this dude tells me you're not serious. I can use whatever class i please, my problem is there is no reason to use any other class. I want to win cerberus - turian infilty, reapers?- turian infilty, collectors? - mr.infiy, geth? - why hello again mr.turian

No, that's you being pathetic.

I want to win, but I'd rather snipe. SI.

I want to win with explosions that clear out a room without having to shoot. Demoloisher.

I want to win without using a gun. Human sent/N7 fury.


Btw, his mobility is limited in CQC. Want to dive for cover 2m in front of you? Sit through the animation that opens you up to more shots than a simple dive roll wouldave done.

Modifié par Operator m1, 24 octobre 2012 - 07:35 .

[Eur3ka7]

how about this, get rid of all extra characters and gun. have only 1 character for each class and 1 guns for each type. No more worries about one character being powerful than the other or one gun is better than the other. Thats basically what you want to do so why not do that. heh...

[GHOST OF FRUITY]

Tyrant Actual wrote...

I never understood why people complain about something being OP in a co-op game, especially since everyone gets the same amount of points at the end..

Because many people get all butthurt over being outscored.  And it's strangely never down to a players lack of skill that they get outscored, it's always because of an overpowered gun or character kit.   

[Optimisticalman]

Major Durza wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

-JP- wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Andreadg89 wrote...

No thanks. Why we have to nerf all the good character this game has? Why?

Because it breaks the game, for me at least. i have played with this new turian and have gotten so bad with so many other characters because it puts you in a lazy mindset. Literally while i'm playing with fury - "why play a fury when i can have infinite shields and boss decimating damage?" *switches back to ghost infiltrator*

There should be no character that is insta-win and the fact that this guy isn't ultra-rarity is even more confusing.

You're saying you can't enjoy the game because ONE character makes the game too easy for you? And that you cannot make yourself play anything else because you're too ****ing lazy? And this should be reason enough for Bioware to ruin said character for most EVERYONE else?

That's such an egocentric view of Mass Effect I don't know what to say. Oh, wait. I do:

Stop being such a lazy crybaby and play something else.

So it's ok when they nerf destroyer and demo? But when anyone nerfs your precious (who have honestly been much more powerful), you jump with hostility? You're funny. And your rage just makes this 100X better. I'm only lazy because this character allows me to be. I don't have to focus when using a ghost infily, but it's fair for me to have to do so with every other character right?

False:
You are only EVER lazy because you CHOOSE to be.  You are not a mouse, you are a human F*cking being.  You have control over yourself, and you refuse to take responsibility for yourself even in a video game.  Following that logic, welfare exists, so it means you can be lazy and have no job.  Not your fault you don't want a job, that you are lazy, the government is making you lazy.

Cut the crap, you're lazy because you want to be.

Nope, it's the character. But i enjoy your meaningless rage and assumations. By the way, ghost or geth may not even be nerfed. They more than likely won't. I'm just suggesting they do nerf them and if they do, you're getting mad at the wrong person.

[DeathScepter]

Optimisticalman wrote...

Andreadg89 wrote...

No thanks. Why we have to nerf all the good character this game has? Why?

Because it breaks the game, for me at least. i have played with this new turian and have gotten so bad with so many other characters because it puts you in a lazy mindset. Literally while i'm playing with fury - "why play a fury when i can have infinite shields and boss decimating damage?" *switches back to ghost infiltrator*

There should be no character that is insta-win and the fact that this guy isn't ultra-rarity is even more confusing.

Well it doesn't break the game.

[Buckapocka]

Optimisticalman wrote...

Operator m1 wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Andreadg89 wrote...

No thanks. Why we have to nerf all the good character this game has? Why?

Because it breaks the game, for me at least. i have played with this new turian and have gotten so bad with so many other characters because it puts you in a lazy mindset. Literally while i'm playing with fury - "why play a fury when i can have infinite shields and boss decimating damage?" *switches back to ghost infiltrator*

There should be no character that is insta-win and the fact that this guy isn't ultra-rarity is even more confusing.

So you blame the kit that makes you lazy and complacent? Right.

Yes, because it's the kits fault. your point?

Well, see... Is it the kits fault, that you're lazy? 
Do you know what's the point in playing... as a Fury? The style dude. You don't shoot things with a Fury, go invisible and shoot some more things, you just run around and make HUGE BEs. It's a completely different playstyle... Can you do that with a Ghost? Nope. That's the point in playing as a Fury!

[Optimisticalman]

GHOST OF FRUITY wrote...

Tyrant Actual wrote...

I never understood why people complain about something being OP in a co-op game, especially since everyone gets the same amount of points at the end..

Because many people get all butthurt over being outscored.  And it's strangely never down to a players lack of skill that they get outscored, it's always because of an overpowered gun or character kit.   

I don't have to worry about being outscored because i use him constantly. So wrong. Oh and ghost turian takes no skill.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

CronicleChicken wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

X M3TH0D1C4L X wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Nerf the harrier, but leave the ghost alone - he is supposed to make underdog weapons go bananas on the enemy, not turn an already overpowered rifle into an 80 mm machine gun.

Yea, lets balance a gun around one class so it affects every other character......  /sarcasm

The Harrier is one of the most balanced weapons in this game. Leave it alone.

The GI doesn't need another nerf. It was already hit twice with the TC and HM nerf. Not everyone can use the GI and make him OP. I have seen many people fail miserably with the GI. Nerfing the GI will only affect the GE more and the unreleased Geth Trooper. 

The Turian Ghost is powerful, and the biggest thing with him is his survivability with the stim packs. But again, nerfing the stim packs on the TGI will only affect the Havoc Soldier as well, which isn't that great of a class already.

You do not understand. Today the harrier is bloody overused, the only drawback being the low ammo counter and a little more weight. Basically, everyone equips it.

A demolisher? Harrier.

An asari justicar? Slap a harrier on her.

Batarian soldier? Performs great with the harrier.

Ghost? What else but the harrier.

Plain wrong imo. There are weapons you never see in a match - Kishock, Incisor and Scimitar, just on a side note, that deserve a buff. It's like everyone running around with an AA-12 on CoD (though I'd never compare ME3 with Crap of Duty).

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!. Batarian soldier with a Harrier? Are you crazy? Slap a falcon on that baby and begin the stagger sessions with Falcon + Ballistic Blades = Fun combo that kills and kills and kills. If you get bored, then throw in that ridiculously slow heavy melee and watch out! You'll get 50 melees in a game with four people. Seriously, I wish people would stop pretending that everyone plays the game or has the same mindset of how to play the game. Some of us *cough*haveskill*cough*

Yeah, the batarian soldier is a treasure. I play it with the Kishock - a gun that requires skill to play, actually my favorite sniper rifle. As a secondary I usally take a graal or, notabene, a falcon. The batarian falcon punch (on a side note, giving 90% Damage Resistance) makes every match a heavy melee fest. This combines staggering fire support with deadly damage and various side effects. I love guns that have a special twist on them, not just point-n-shoot, but, for instance, shoot, mind the projectile velocity, watch the enemies go to infinity and beyond. Weapons that actually take skill or special class builds are lost - Kishock, Graal, Eagle, Arc-Pistol,Argus, Falcon etc... they require a buff. Nothing needs to be nerfed.

Also, someone mentioned that the harrier is the only good rifle without gimmicks. That's the problem. A monkey could perform well with a harrier if the next ammo supply is in close proximity. Hell, slap special ammo on it and there is nothing it can't punch a hole through.

Modifié par GeneralMoskvin_2.0, 24 octobre 2012 - 07:41 .

[CronicleChicken]

Optimisticalman wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Don't get me wrong, the two classes they nerfed were two of the best classes on the game.

But i find it hard to see that they didn't catch the turian and geth infiltrators in this mix. Especially the turian.

I can totally understand the nerfs to the demolisher and destroyer but the ghost and the geth are way more of a problem than these guys. I can't go into a gold lobby now without seeing at least one other (and i said other because i have been playing him since release. 
This thing gives me no reason to use any other character) turian ghost infily, never the turian soldier mind you. At least the geth has one weakness - he's fragile, but turian ghost has not a single one.

He's tanky with stim packs (more so than a krogan vanguard, which is sad). He does amazing damage with a cerberus harrier in his hands (and about this time, i'm pretty sure everyone has one). He can turn invisible........(not that he needs to). He has one of the best anti-shield powers on this game (not that he needs it). And insane mobility with the jetpack movement.

So in conclusion what we have now is a damn near immortal infiltrator the can avoid damage unbelievably well in the first place. And another that can kill anything before it even thinks about shooting him? Bioware i think you missed your shots here, but we'll see once the data pops up of the most used characters in gold and platinum matches. You've done nothing but stopped people from using the other tops and narrowed it down to two classes that will be played the most now.

I know they're going to get nerfed. With either bioware seeing this and looking into it or obvious statistics. Flame me all you want, but this post will repeatedly get bumped so bioware can hopefully glance this. By the way, can't wait to go back to platinum to see solely geth and turian ghosts.

First of all, I don't understand why they would nerf "the best of the best." We finally get N7 soldiers, you know "the best of the best" and now they are just like the other soldiers. You are okay with this.

Second, all of us should be punished because some people, including you, don't have the will power (or are just not bored with them or don't know how to use your imagination or can't figure out a way to make the other characters work) to play another character and experiment and master them. So, Bioware is supposed to nerf them so you can whine that you can't use them like you use to? 

Third, I believe I know your problem if you can play the Ghost but not the Havoc soldier who is much more flexible and pust out much more damage (this is just going off actual maxium damage specs you can do to each character without adding any outside skill, guns, or teamwork) and did I mention much more flexible. This is kinda upsetting to me and my friends, most of which can play with the crappiest weapons and still out score me (only by 2-10k). We have fun but we play and learn and we make the game work instead of relying on stats to determine who we will play with.

You can be upset all you want but you know i'm right when it comes down to it, whether you admit it or not. And if you were so good with everything as you propose, you wouldn't mind a nerf to the top classes. Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one? Answer that question, then you have my respects.

Let me get this straight... You are sitting there and asking me, "Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one?" Well, I guess I would use imagination and effort because I am not an idiot therefore I do not have an idiot way of thinking.  But what I do have are a very particular set of skills' skills I have aquired over a very long career. Spec out of stim packs on both new Turians, run a Gold and get back to me. If you can make it through without dying, let's say six times, and do not come in last place, if you are not soloing, then I'd say there is hope for you yet. If not, I think you need to reevaluate yourself and not the kits.

Just saying...

Modifié par CronicleChicken, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:15 .

[Optimisticalman]

Operator m1 wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Many others have stated that his mobility was better than vorchas and the fact that you even mentioned cover for this dude tells me you're not serious. I can use whatever class i please, my problem is there is no reason to use any other class. I want to win cerberus - turian infilty, reapers?- turian infilty, collectors? - mr.infiy, geth? - why hello again mr.turian

No, that's you being pathetic.

I want to win, but I'd rather snipe. SI.

I want to win with explosions that clear out a room without having to shoot. Demoloisher.

I want to win without using a gun. Human sent/N7 fury.


Btw, his mobility is limited in CQC. Want to dive for cover 2m in front of you? Sit through the animation that opens you up to more shots than a simple dive roll wouldave done.

Mindless insults won't help you and once again you're dead wrong about this mobility. And this comes from someone that has played him since release.


So what you're saying is having an insta-win on a game that is supposed to offer challenge is right?

[McAllyster]

Optimisticalman wrote...

Andreadg89 wrote...

No thanks. Why we have to nerf all the good character this game has? Why?

Because it breaks the game, for me at least. i have played with this new turian and have gotten so bad with so many other characters because it puts you in a lazy mindset. Literally while i'm playing with fury - "why play a fury when i can have infinite shields and boss decimating damage?" *switches back to ghost infiltrator*

There should be no character that is insta-win and the fact that this guy isn't ultra-rarity is even more confusing.

I really like my kroguard he is virtually immortal on Gold.

However most of the time I play other characters... because of the fun. Playing one character because he is a "god"... well, it is boring.

[CronicleChicken]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

X M3TH0D1C4L X wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Nerf the harrier, but leave the ghost alone - he is supposed to make underdog weapons go bananas on the enemy, not turn an already overpowered rifle into an 80 mm machine gun.

Yea, lets balance a gun around one class so it affects every other character......  /sarcasm

The Harrier is one of the most balanced weapons in this game. Leave it alone.

The GI doesn't need another nerf. It was already hit twice with the TC and HM nerf. Not everyone can use the GI and make him OP. I have seen many people fail miserably with the GI. Nerfing the GI will only affect the GE more and the unreleased Geth Trooper. 

The Turian Ghost is powerful, and the biggest thing with him is his survivability with the stim packs. But again, nerfing the stim packs on the TGI will only affect the Havoc Soldier as well, which isn't that great of a class already.

You do not understand. Today the harrier is bloody overused, the only drawback being the low ammo counter and a little more weight. Basically, everyone equips it.

A demolisher? Harrier.

An asari justicar? Slap a harrier on her.

Batarian soldier? Performs great with the harrier.

Ghost? What else but the harrier.

Plain wrong imo. There are weapons you never see in a match - Kishock, Incisor and Scimitar, just on a side note, that deserve a buff. It's like everyone running around with an AA-12 on CoD (though I'd never compare ME3 with Crap of Duty).

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!. Batarian soldier with a Harrier? Are you crazy? Slap a falcon on that baby and begin the stagger sessions with Falcon + Ballistic Blades = Fun combo that kills and kills and kills. If you get bored, then throw in that ridiculously slow heavy melee and watch out! You'll get 50 melees in a game with four people. Seriously, I wish people would stop pretending that everyone plays the game or has the same mindset of how to play the game. Some of us *cough*haveskill*cough*

Yeah, the batarian soldier is a treasure. I play it with the Kishock - a gun that requires skill to play, actually my favorite sniper rifle. As a secondary I usally take a graal or, notabene, a falcon. This combines staggering fire support with deadly damage and various side effects. I love guns that have a special twist on them, not just point-n-shoot, but, for instance, shoot, mind the projectile velocity, watch the enemies go to infinity and beyond. Weapons that actually take skill or special class builds are lost - Kishock, Graal, Eagle, Arc-Pistol,Argus, Falcon etc... they require a buff. Nothing needs to be nerfed.

Also, someone mentioned that the harrier is the only good rifle without gimmicks. That's the problem. A monkey could perform well with a harrier if the next ammo supply is in close proximity. Hell, slap special ammo on it and there is nothing it can't punch a hole through.

I agree with your playstyle. I have no problem with the Harrier. I have a Harrier X in fact but I am using the locust. Why? Trying out things, earning banners, etc. The thing is the Harrier is N7 and if the N7 weapons and characters have no distiguishing traits that make it better than the other weapons or characters than rip of the N7 title. It's an insult to Shephard.

[SwizzyR]

Guys. guys. guys, let's just chill.

OP wasn't being serious. He was kidding. He's a real joker. This whole thread is just a joke, no worries.

[Persona RED]

Yeah... I'd like for my Ghost to be left alone. He gives me an excellent reason to use assault rifles (finally), and serves to revive people even in the most heated of situations. He is adaptable, efficient, and extremely useful.

Just like I'd imagine a Turian Infiltrator would be.

[Optimisticalman]

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Don't get me wrong, the two classes they nerfed were two of the best classes on the game.

But i find it hard to see that they didn't catch the turian and geth infiltrators in this mix. Especially the turian.

I can totally understand the nerfs to the demolisher and destroyer but the ghost and the geth are way more of a problem than these guys. I can't go into a gold lobby now without seeing at least one other (and i said other because i have been playing him since release. 
This thing gives me no reason to use any other character) turian ghost infily, never the turian soldier mind you. At least the geth has one weakness - he's fragile, but turian ghost has not a single one.

He's tanky with stim packs (more so than a krogan vanguard, which is sad). He does amazing damage with a cerberus harrier in his hands (and about this time, i'm pretty sure everyone has one). He can turn invisible........(not that he needs to). He has one of the best anti-shield powers on this game (not that he needs it). And insane mobility with the jetpack movement.

So in conclusion what we have now is a damn near immortal infiltrator the can avoid damage unbelievably well in the first place. And another that can kill anything before it even thinks about shooting him? Bioware i think you missed your shots here, but we'll see once the data pops up of the most used characters in gold and platinum matches. You've done nothing but stopped people from using the other tops and narrowed it down to two classes that will be played the most now.

I know they're going to get nerfed. With either bioware seeing this and looking into it or obvious statistics. Flame me all you want, but this post will repeatedly get bumped so bioware can hopefully glance this. By the way, can't wait to go back to platinum to see solely geth and turian ghosts.

First of all, I don't understand why they would nerf "the best of the best." We finally get N7 soldiers, you know "the best of the best" and now they are just like the other soldiers. You are okay with this.

Second, all of us should be punished because some people, including you, don't have the will power (or are just not bored with them or don't know how to use your imagination or can't figure out a way to make the other characters work) to play another character and experiment and master them. So, Bioware is supposed to nerf them so you can whine that you can't use them like you use to? 

Third, I believe I know your problem if you can play the Ghost but not the Havoc soldier who is much more flexible and pust out much more damage (this is just going off actual maxium damage specs you can do to each character without adding any outside skill, guns, or teamwork) and did I mention much more flexible. This is kinda upsetting to me and my friends, most of which can play with the crappiest weapons and still out score me (only by 2-10k). We have fun but we play and learn and we make the game work instead of relying on stats to determine who we will play with.

You can be upset all you want but you know i'm right when it comes down to it, whether you admit it or not. And if you were so good with everything as you propose, you wouldn't mind a nerf to the top classes. Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one? Answer that question, then you have my respects.

Let me get this straight... You are sitting there and asking me, "Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one?" Well, I guess I would use imagination and effort because I am not an idiot therefore I do not have an idiot way of thinking.  [color=rgb(34,34,34)">But what I do have are a very particular ]; skills I have aquired[/color] over a very long career. Spec out of stim packs on both new Turians, run a Gold and get back to me. If you can make it through without dying, let's say six times, and do not come in last place, if you are not soloing, then I'd say there is hope for you yet. If not, I think you need to reevaluate yourself and not the kits.

Just saying...

So you can't answer my question? Yeah, i figured that before your response.

New question:
Why would i spec out of immortality when i don't have to?

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Eh...I can see why the TGI should be up for nerf consideration, having no weaknesses and all. The GI is balanced, imo. He's great for taking out enemies quickly, whether that be through trolling phantoms with staggerlock via GPS or a Javelin round through an enemy's skull. However, once his shields go down, he'll go down as quick as a inexperienced Volus with a Claymore.

Simply put, leave the GI alone.

[Googleness]

Clearly Balkan wrote...

Keep your filthy hands OFF from Infiltrator class in general.

Fu*king whiners - ruin of every game.

this.

[CronicleChicken]

Buckapocka wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Operator m1 wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Andreadg89 wrote...

No thanks. Why we have to nerf all the good character this game has? Why?

Because it breaks the game, for me at least. i have played with this new turian and have gotten so bad with so many other characters because it puts you in a lazy mindset. Literally while i'm playing with fury - "why play a fury when i can have infinite shields and boss decimating damage?" *switches back to ghost infiltrator*

There should be no character that is insta-win and the fact that this guy isn't ultra-rarity is even more confusing.

So you blame the kit that makes you lazy and complacent? Right.

Yes, because it's the kits fault. your point?

Well, see... Is it the kits fault, that you're lazy? 
Do you know what's the point in playing... as a Fury? The style dude. You don't shoot things with a Fury, go invisible and shoot some more things, you just run around and make HUGE BEs. It's a completely different playstyle... Can you do that with a Ghost? Nope. That's the point in playing as a Fury!

Ladies and Gentlemen, I think he as ascended to higher understanding of the game...

[redBadger14]

Optimisticalman wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

GI is squishy in a lot of people's hands and an absolute wrecking ball in others.

TGI is too new to evaluate yet. A lot of people play it because it is A)new B)an infiltrator C)a class that make ARs awesome.

or D) It's much easier to use and maneuver than every other character.

It's not "easier" to manuver because of the jetpack, and especially not "over" other classes. The jetpack allows for quick escapes in situations like a grenade or Phantom bearing down on you, but the downside to the jetpack is that it shoots you a great distance, so you can't necessarily spam it. You are just as likely to jump out of trouble as you are to jump in to trouble. Certain other classes like the Asari or Shadow/Drell have their dodge advantages/disadvantages as well, and also have applications better/worse than the jetpack dodge.

Stim Packs work like grenades, and you don't get many of them (aside from gear bonuses). They're kinda difficult to recover from ammo boxes on the higher difficulties, especially when you have others in the game that use grenades. And even the Stim Packs won't save you from sync kills or high-damaging attacks. Just as well, the duration of Stim Packs (6 or 9 seconds) is only enough to take out or survive one boss enemy or survive/take out small mob of enemies. Use a Stim Pack and run into a huge group, I guarantee you will die. It's not a god-mode ability.

The Ghost's base tree and TC tree encourage Assault Rifle use over Sniper or any other gun. In this way it limits the Ghost's usefulness outside of AR's. This also makes him very much a single target DPS'er. The Ghost is weak when it comes to crowd control, and the jetpack can only save you so much.

And Overload is Overload. Nothing to see here.

Overarching point? You're wrong OP. Ghost does not need a nerf, or a buff for that matter. He's fine where he is. Same with Geth Infiltrator. They already nerfed him a couple times, there's no more need to nerf further.

I think we can trust the BioWare guys behind multiplayer with doing their jobs, eh? Else they wouldn't be there.

Modifié par redBadger14, 24 octobre 2012 - 07:50 .

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It's a co-op game, so...