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[Neurion19]

obvious troll is obvious. go away.

[Operator m1]

Optimisticalman wrote...

Operator m1 wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Many others have stated that his mobility was better than vorchas and the fact that you even mentioned cover for this dude tells me you're not serious. I can use whatever class i please, my problem is there is no reason to use any other class. I want to win cerberus - turian infilty, reapers?- turian infilty, collectors? - mr.infiy, geth? - why hello again mr.turian

No, that's you being pathetic.

I want to win, but I'd rather snipe. SI.

I want to win with explosions that clear out a room without having to shoot. Demoloisher.

I want to win without using a gun. Human sent/N7 fury.


Btw, his mobility is limited in CQC. Want to dive for cover 2m in front of you? Sit through the animation that opens you up to more shots than a simple dive roll wouldave done.

Mindless insults won't help you and once again you're dead wrong about this mobility. And this comes from someone that has played him since release.

It's not a mindless insult when it's a common opinion between at least 4 other people in this thread on your terribly flawed line of thinking. There's nothing more pathetic than a lazy person blaming his hangups on something else.

Optimisticalman wrote...
So what you're saying is having an insta-win on a game that is supposed to offer challenge is right?

Guess what? That's not what I said. That's what you think everyone is saying simply because they disagree with you. There's more to this than 'insta win is right', or 'insta win is wrong'. Stop trying to make it look like it's that way.

You're not worth responding to if this is how you want to discuss anything.

Don't think playing him since release makes you special, or right by default, considering I did too.

Modifié par Operator m1, 24 octobre 2012 - 07:48 .

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

CronicleChicken wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

X M3TH0D1C4L X wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Nerf the harrier, but leave the ghost alone - he is supposed to make underdog weapons go bananas on the enemy, not turn an already overpowered rifle into an 80 mm machine gun.

Yea, lets balance a gun around one class so it affects every other character......  /sarcasm

The Harrier is one of the most balanced weapons in this game. Leave it alone.

The GI doesn't need another nerf. It was already hit twice with the TC and HM nerf. Not everyone can use the GI and make him OP. I have seen many people fail miserably with the GI. Nerfing the GI will only affect the GE more and the unreleased Geth Trooper. 

The Turian Ghost is powerful, and the biggest thing with him is his survivability with the stim packs. But again, nerfing the stim packs on the TGI will only affect the Havoc Soldier as well, which isn't that great of a class already.

You do not understand. Today the harrier is bloody overused, the only drawback being the low ammo counter and a little more weight. Basically, everyone equips it.

A demolisher? Harrier.

An asari justicar? Slap a harrier on her.

Batarian soldier? Performs great with the harrier.

Ghost? What else but the harrier.

Plain wrong imo. There are weapons you never see in a match - Kishock, Incisor and Scimitar, just on a side note, that deserve a buff. It's like everyone running around with an AA-12 on CoD (though I'd never compare ME3 with Crap of Duty).

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!. Batarian soldier with a Harrier? Are you crazy? Slap a falcon on that baby and begin the stagger sessions with Falcon + Ballistic Blades = Fun combo that kills and kills and kills. If you get bored, then throw in that ridiculously slow heavy melee and watch out! You'll get 50 melees in a game with four people. Seriously, I wish people would stop pretending that everyone plays the game or has the same mindset of how to play the game. Some of us *cough*haveskill*cough*

Yeah, the batarian soldier is a treasure. I play it with the Kishock - a gun that requires skill to play, actually my favorite sniper rifle. As a secondary I usally take a graal or, notabene, a falcon. This combines staggering fire support with deadly damage and various side effects. I love guns that have a special twist on them, not just point-n-shoot, but, for instance, shoot, mind the projectile velocity, watch the enemies go to infinity and beyond. Weapons that actually take skill or special class builds are lost - Kishock, Graal, Eagle, Arc-Pistol,Argus, Falcon etc... they require a buff. Nothing needs to be nerfed.

Also, someone mentioned that the harrier is the only good rifle without gimmicks. That's the problem. A monkey could perform well with a harrier if the next ammo supply is in close proximity. Hell, slap special ammo on it and there is nothing it can't punch a hole through.

I agree with your playstyle. I have no problem with the Harrier. I have a Harrier X in fact but I am using the locust. Why? Trying out things, earning banners, etc. The thing is the Harrier is N7 and if the N7 weapons and characters have no distiguishing traits that make it better than the other weapons or characters than rip of the N7 title. It's an insult to Shephard.

At first, congrats to a harrier X - all my envy is upon you, as my best UR is the Indra V (the next best being Javelin III >.>), also an unusual sniper rifle that I love - you exchange high shot power for fire rate, a better close combat capability due to the low-powered scope and get a faster reload.
However, I've got to disagree with you on the N7 stuff. Just because the ultra rare has a big "N7" as rarity marker it is not related to the entire N7 thingy - I cannot see how a Javelin or a scorpion has its roots on N7, while thingies like valiant, typhoon etc....certainly deserve this this title (Piranha only being rare, lolwut?).

You could mark it with an alliance symbol or with some reaper stuff as well instead of N7 armor pattern - still ultra rare.

[Optimisticalman]

McAllyster wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Andreadg89 wrote...

No thanks. Why we have to nerf all the good character this game has? Why?

Because it breaks the game, for me at least. i have played with this new turian and have gotten so bad with so many other characters because it puts you in a lazy mindset. Literally while i'm playing with fury - "why play a fury when i can have infinite shields and boss decimating damage?" *switches back to ghost infiltrator*

There should be no character that is insta-win and the fact that this guy isn't ultra-rarity is even more confusing.

I really like my kroguard he is virtually immortal on Gold.

However most of the time I play other characters... because of the fun. Playing one character because he is a "god"... well, it is boring.

First of all, krogard isn't immortal. He can very well die if you aren't conscious around units with insta kills and even some of the new geth units can out-right stun him. Turian infiltrator has more shields in a stimpack than a kroguard with cyclonic 3 on and full fitness. He can turn invisible to avoid damage and on top of that has the best mobility in the game. Plus the kroguard isn't really the emporer of damage.

Second, just because winning is boring to you doesn't mean it's boring to anyone else.

Modifié par Optimisticalman, 24 octobre 2012 - 07:48 .

[Clayless]

Lets nerf the glass canon whose been nerfed 2 (or is it 3) times already because he's a glass canon and not a Human Soldier.

YAAAAY.

[RNG God]

We need more options. Not less.

[Optimisticalman]

Operator m1 wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Operator m1 wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Many others have stated that his mobility was better than vorchas and the fact that you even mentioned cover for this dude tells me you're not serious. I can use whatever class i please, my problem is there is no reason to use any other class. I want to win cerberus - turian infilty, reapers?- turian infilty, collectors? - mr.infiy, geth? - why hello again mr.turian

No, that's you being pathetic.

I want to win, but I'd rather snipe. SI.

I want to win with explosions that clear out a room without having to shoot. Demoloisher.

I want to win without using a gun. Human sent/N7 fury.


Btw, his mobility is limited in CQC. Want to dive for cover 2m in front of you? Sit through the animation that opens you up to more shots than a simple dive roll wouldave done.

Mindless insults won't help you and once again you're dead wrong about this mobility. And this comes from someone that has played him since release.

It's not a mindless insult when it's a common opinion between at least 4 other people in this thread on your terribly flawed line of thinking. There's nothing more pathetic than a lazy person blaming his hangups on something else.

Optimisticalman wrote...
So what you're saying is having an insta-win on a game that is supposed to offer challenge is right?

Guess what? That's not what I said. That's what you think everyone is saying simply because they disagree with you. There's more to this than 'insta win is right', or 'insta win is wrong'. Stop trying to make it look like it's that way.

You're not worth responding to if this is how you want to discuss anything.

Don't think playing him since release makes you special, or right by default, considering I did too.

So someone that can't throw nothing more than mindless insults in his response should be worthy of being noted for contrary? I think not, stop responding. You've done nothing but prove my point further with every post you've made

[Psycho Pisces]

Yes.. continue to nerf characters.. instead of adding more to your game.. nerf nerf nerf... Nerf all the time.

I'd rather they build up characters and add challenge to the game, but nerf nerf nerf.. its easier.

[OMDB]

 Wow... nerf my  Demoisher AND Destroyer.

Mabye it's time to play somthing else. 

[CronicleChicken]

Optimisticalman wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Don't get me wrong, the two classes they nerfed were two of the best classes on the game.

But i find it hard to see that they didn't catch the turian and geth infiltrators in this mix. Especially the turian.

I can totally understand the nerfs to the demolisher and destroyer but the ghost and the geth are way more of a problem than these guys. I can't go into a gold lobby now without seeing at least one other (and i said other because i have been playing him since release. 
This thing gives me no reason to use any other character) turian ghost infily, never the turian soldier mind you. At least the geth has one weakness - he's fragile, but turian ghost has not a single one.

He's tanky with stim packs (more so than a krogan vanguard, which is sad). He does amazing damage with a cerberus harrier in his hands (and about this time, i'm pretty sure everyone has one). He can turn invisible........(not that he needs to). He has one of the best anti-shield powers on this game (not that he needs it). And insane mobility with the jetpack movement.

So in conclusion what we have now is a damn near immortal infiltrator the can avoid damage unbelievably well in the first place. And another that can kill anything before it even thinks about shooting him? Bioware i think you missed your shots here, but we'll see once the data pops up of the most used characters in gold and platinum matches. You've done nothing but stopped people from using the other tops and narrowed it down to two classes that will be played the most now.

I know they're going to get nerfed. With either bioware seeing this and looking into it or obvious statistics. Flame me all you want, but this post will repeatedly get bumped so bioware can hopefully glance this. By the way, can't wait to go back to platinum to see solely geth and turian ghosts.

First of all, I don't understand why they would nerf "the best of the best." We finally get N7 soldiers, you know "the best of the best" and now they are just like the other soldiers. You are okay with this.

Second, all of us should be punished because some people, including you, don't have the will power (or are just not bored with them or don't know how to use your imagination or can't figure out a way to make the other characters work) to play another character and experiment and master them. So, Bioware is supposed to nerf them so you can whine that you can't use them like you use to? 

Third, I believe I know your problem if you can play the Ghost but not the Havoc soldier who is much more flexible and pust out much more damage (this is just going off actual maxium damage specs you can do to each character without adding any outside skill, guns, or teamwork) and did I mention much more flexible. This is kinda upsetting to me and my friends, most of which can play with the crappiest weapons and still out score me (only by 2-10k). We have fun but we play and learn and we make the game work instead of relying on stats to determine who we will play with.

You can be upset all you want but you know i'm right when it comes down to it, whether you admit it or not. And if you were so good with everything as you propose, you wouldn't mind a nerf to the top classes. Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one? Answer that question, then you have my respects.

Let me get this straight... You are sitting there and asking me, "Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one?" Well, I guess I would use imagination and effort because I am not an idiot therefore I do not have an idiot way of thinking.  But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have aquired over a very long career. Spec out of stim packs on both new Turians, run a Gold and get back to me. If you can make it through without dying, let's say six times, and do not come in last place, if you are not soloing, then I'd say there is hope for you yet. If not, I think you need to reevaluate yourself and not the kits.

Just saying...

So you can't answer my question? Yeah, i figured that before your response.

New question:
Why would i spec out of immortality when i don't have to?

Dude, I answered your question while calling you an idiot. How did you not - Oh wait, idiot. My apologies. Here let me spell it out for you 
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Okay, for your second question, "Why would i spec out of immortality when i don't have to?" First of all, you are not immortal. If you think you are because you have stim packs and thermal clips, look up the definition in a dictionary. You know what that is, right? Second, if you are immortal, why are you just playing Gold? If you had sad Platinum, then I think I would ask you how you did it, what guns did you use, what map, you know that sort of thing. Third, and this is important, why are you such an idiot?

Modifié par CronicleChicken, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:17 .

[Major Durza]

[quote]Optimisticalman wrote...

[quote]Operator m1 wrote...

[quote]Optimisticalman wrote...

Many others have stated that his mobility was better than vorchas and the fact that you even mentioned cover for this dude tells me you're not serious. I can use whatever class i please, my problem is there is no reason to use any other class. I want to win cerberus - turian infilty, reapers?- turian infilty, collectors? - mr.infiy, geth? - why hello again mr.turian
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No, that's you being pathetic.

I want to win, but I'd rather snipe. SI.

I want to win with explosions that clear out a room without having to shoot. Demoloisher.

I want to win without using a gun. Human sent/N7 fury.


Btw, his mobility is limited in CQC. Want to dive for cover 2m in front of you? Sit through the animation that opens you up to more shots than a simple dive roll wouldave done.[/quote]

Mindless insults won't help you and once again you're dead wrong about this mobility. And this comes from someone that has played him since release.


So what you're saying is having an insta-win on a game that is supposed to offer challenge is right?
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You know, you could excercise your human ability to CHOOSE and CHOOSE to not grab your perceived "win button"
But that is coming from an American mindset, not sure you would understand.  You gotta have someone make that choice for you.
Instead of choosing to challenge yourself and PICK a different class, you see it fit to harm a choice for everyone because you lack the will.
This disgusts me many times more than your suggestion.  It is disgusting that someone on this earth is so reliant upon other people that he cannot make his own choice, a mere robot to a higher power.

Back on topic
You're good with this class, thats a given.  You do assume too much of PUGs, which is not surprising given your egocentric mindset.  Let us think outside the box here.
What about the PUG players who do not have a Harrier, do not have Grenade Capacity V, and do not know that Tac Cloak cancels reset times?  The 6/6/6/6/0 builds that are built for power and stimpack capacity that get mauled because they are standing in the open asking for a stunlock.

As I posted in the "Balance All the Things" forum, there are at last 4 very powerful, very diverse builds possible for the Ghost.  No one is superior to the others.
But I digress.

Addressing further points:
[quote]Optimisticalman wrote...

[quote]Operator m1 wrote...

[quote]Optimisticalman wrote...

[quote]Andreadg89 wrote...

No thanks. Why we have to nerf all the good character this game has? Why?[/quote]

Because it breaks the game, for me at least. i have played with this new turian and have gotten so bad with so many other characters because it puts you in a lazy mindset. Literally while i'm playing with fury - "why play a fury when i can have infinite shields and boss decimating damage?" *switches back to ghost infiltrator*

There should be no character that is insta-win and the fact that this guy isn't ultra-rarity is even more confusing.[/quote]

So you blame the kit that makes you lazy and complacent? Right.[/quote]

Yes, because it's the kits fault. your point?
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Nope, laziness and complacency are choices.  Nothing is forcing you to take the most effective option.  Next:

[quote]Optimisticalman wrote...

[quote]Major Durza wrote...

[quote]Optimisticalman wrote...

[quote]NuclearTech76 wrote...

GI is squishy in a lot of people's hands and an absolute wrecking ball in others.

TGI is too new to evaluate yet. A lot of people play it because it is A)new B)an infiltrator C)a class that make ARs awesome.[/quote]

or D) It's much easier to use and maneuver than every other character.[/quote]

There have been planty of times when I tried to get in cover and flew a few meters to the left instead.
Or just jetting against a wall getting shot at because a lot of the maps are too CQC for the jetpacks to not hinder you.


[quote]Optimisticalman wrote...

[quote]Major Durza wrote...

[quote]Optimisticalman wrote...

oh and i forgot to mention i haven't failed a single gold since this guy came out.[/quote]

Do not play as the character, and PUG against Collectors, then come back and tell us how easy Gold is now.

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Lol, i solo collectors with this dude. Are you serious?[/quote]

Missing the point, WITHOUT the character.
If you hate it so much, and it is making you "lazy" then why play it?  Why surrender your free will to a playable character?
Do you really need Bioware to nerf something for you to no longer use it?
I cannot even begin to explain how apalled I am at this line of thought.  The need for a higher power to make a change, to solve your laziness and complacency.  If you become (or are) unhealthily fat, should your government ban cake so you will not eat it?
Do you have no control over yourself?  "Its not my fault, the class is making me play as it!  Its making me lazy and complacent!  This spoon is making me fat!"

Come on, get a hold of yourself.  A higher power does not need to solve your problems.
Or perhaps is that just too American of a mindset for you?

This thread is pitiful.
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Many others have stated that his mobility was better than vorchas and the fact that you even mentioned cover for this dude tells me you're not serious. I can use whatever class i please, my problem is there is no reason to use any other class. I want to win cerberus - turian infilty, reapers?- turian infilty, collectors? - mr.infiy, geth? - why hello again mr.turian
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The Turian's mobility is a double-edged sword.  It goes too far at times, and gets PUGers killed.
I am serious, not everyone rolls with a 6/6/0/6/6 Build, not everyone spams ammo packs, and has or uses Grenade Capacity V
Again, no one is forcing you to use him.  You are pointing out that he is the best choice, while saying that you despise that there is a best choice.  I'm an American, so if I do not like something I do not do it.  Same with political issues, I don't like gay marriage, I won't get one etc.  I do not force my choices on anyone, I am to leave options open, and I do not expect your choice to be forced onto me.  Neither your choice, or the consequences that accompany it.

Next:

[quote]Optimisticalman wrote...

[quote]Major Durza wrote...

[quote]Optimisticalman wrote...

[quote]-JP- wrote...

[quote]Optimisticalman wrote...

[quote]Andreadg89 wrote...

No thanks. Why we have to nerf all the good character this game has? Why?[/quote]

Because it breaks the game, for me at least. i have played with this new turian and have gotten so bad with so many other characters because it puts you in a lazy mindset. Literally while i'm playing with fury - "why play a fury when i can have infinite shields and boss decimating damage?" *switches back to ghost infiltrator*

There should be no character that is insta-win and the fact that this guy isn't ultra-rarity is even more confusing.[/quote]

You're saying you can't enjoy the game because ONE character makes the game too easy for you? And that you cannot make yourself play anything else because you're too ****ing lazy? And this should be reason enough for Bioware to ruin said character for most EVERYONE else?

That's such an egocentric view of Mass Effect I don't know what to say. Oh, wait. I do:

Stop being such a lazy crybaby and play something else.
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So it's ok when they nerf destroyer and demo? But when anyone nerfs your precious (who have honestly been much more powerful), you jump with hostility? You're funny. And your rage just makes this 100X better. I'm only lazy because this character allows me to be. I don't have to focus when using a ghost infily, but it's fair for me to have to do so with every other character right?
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False:
You are only EVER lazy because you CHOOSE to be.  You are not a mouse, you are a human F*cking being.  You have control over yourself, and you refuse to take responsibility for yourself even in a video game.  Following that logic, welfare exists, so it means you can be lazy and have no job.  Not your fault you don't want a job, that you are lazy, the government is making you lazy.

Cut the crap, you're lazy because you want to be.

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Nope, it's the character. But i enjoy your meaningless rage and assumations. By the way, ghost or geth may not even be nerfed. They more than likely won't. I'm just suggesting they do nerf them and if they do, you're getting mad at the wrong person.
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Sorry buddy, indoctrination does not exist.  When you see a fat person eating a greasy hamburger, do you blame the maker of the haburger for making the person fat, or the fat person for choosing to eat the hamburger?  Do guns kill people or do people?  Are you going to continue to blame your choices on inanimate objects or ideas, or realize that you are a human being capable of choice?

Again, I do not find your suggestion as repulsive as I find your attitude.  It speaks of irresponsibility and dependency, and a refusal to be responsible for yourself or your own actions.

Don't like to play as him because it is too easy, then play as someone harder.  The choice is yours, not Bioware's.

[X M3TH0D1C4L X]

CronicleChicken wrote...

Dude, I answered your question while calling you an idiot. How did you not - Oh wait, idiot. My apologies. Here let me spell it out for you 
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Okay, for your second question, "Why would i spec out of immortality when i don't have to?" First of all, you are not immortal. If you think you are because you have stim packs and thermal clips, look up the definition in a dictionary. You know what that is, right? Second, if you are immortal, why are you just playing Gold? If you had sad Platinum, then I think I would ask you how you did it, what guns did you use, what map, you know that sort of thing. Third, and this is important, why are you such an idiot troll?

Fixed that for you.

Modifié par X M3TH0D1C4L X, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:03 .

[morph4037]

Clearly Balkan wrote...

Keep your filthy hands OFF from Infiltrator class in general.

whiners - ruin of every game.

Indeed.

[Operator m1]

Optimisticalman wrote...

So someone that can't throw nothing more than mindless insults in his response should be worthy of being noted for contrary? I think not, stop responding. You've done nothing but prove my point further with every post you've made

You've proved nothing but the fact that you didn't read, or respond to my answer for your terrible question of  insta win being right, or wrong when this issue takes more than that yes or no question.

You did prove one thing though; The fact you still belive your opinion the TGI made you lazy, and you can't adjust back to your own classes out of your own choice, your own will, and thinks that is grounds for a nerf, proves you're not only lazy, but you blame something else.

That is not an insult. That is a fact about you. I'm not even trying to hurt you with words. I'm holding up a mirror for you, and you don't like what you see. If you didn't give such a poor reason as to why the TGI should be nerfed, at least 3 different people wouldn't be here telling you the same thing about yourself that I am.

Modifié par Operator m1, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:11 .

[Optimisticalman]

redBadger14 wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

GI is squishy in a lot of people's hands and an absolute wrecking ball in others.

TGI is too new to evaluate yet. A lot of people play it because it is A)new B)an infiltrator C)a class that make ARs awesome.

or D) It's much easier to use and maneuver than every other character.

It's not "easier" to manuver because of the jetpack, and especially not "over" other classes. The jetpack allows for quick escapes in situations like a grenade or Phantom bearing down on you, but the downside to the jetpack is that it shoots you a great distance, so you can't necessarily spam it. You are just as likely to jump out of trouble as you are to jump in to trouble. Certain other classes like the Asari or Shadow/Drell have their dodge advantages/disadvantages as well, and also have applications better/worse than the jetpack dodge.

Stim Packs work like grenades, and you don't get many of them (aside from gear bonuses). They're kinda difficult to recover from ammo boxes on the higher difficulties, especially when you have others in the game that use grenades. And even the Stim Packs won't save you from sync kills or high-damaging attacks. Just as well, the duration of Stim Packs (6 or 9 seconds) is only enough to take out or survive one boss enemy or survive/take out small mob of enemies. Use a Stim Pack and run into a huge group, I guarantee you will die. It's not a god-mode ability.

The Ghost's base tree and TC tree encourage Assault Rifle use over Sniper or any other gun. In this way it limits the Ghost's usefulness outside of AR's. This also makes him very much a single target DPS'er. The Ghost is weak when it comes to crowd control, and the jetpack can only save you so much.

And Overload is Overload. Nothing to see here.

Overarching point? You're wrong OP. Ghost does not need a nerf, or a buff for that matter. He's fine where he is. Same with Geth Infiltrator. They already nerfed him a couple times, there's no more need to nerf further.

I think we can trust the BioWare guys behind multiplayer with doing their jobs, eh? Else they wouldn't be there.

His mobility works fine. Most of the negatives you said of it are false. And can be proven as such.

There's nothing wrong with his tactical cloak. It makes assault rifles useful.

He doesn't need overload if he is going to be a death machine.
Stim packs aren't like grenades - They give you immortality for 9 seconds. You don't just throw them for quick damage. Not just that, one most maps (even on higher difficulties contrary to your beliefs) you get two grenades from boxes. And it's easy to get to boxes since he can spam jetpack around the map. Lets not forget with grenade capacity, you get 7 by default and with thermal packs 7 more each time you use one? Are you kidding, your arguement is weak.

You're wrong and in denial that you're wrong. Ghost needs a nerf..badly. Statistics will show and every platinum will be either missle glitchers or ghost turians and geth infiltrators. Gaming companies make mistakes all the time, else there wouldn't be glitches/gameplay faults. They will nerf these things eventually. I'm just trying to get that nerf out as soon as possible.

Modifié par Optimisticalman, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:11 .

[Major Durza]

Optimisticalman wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Don't get me wrong, the two classes they nerfed were two of the best classes on the game.

But i find it hard to see that they didn't catch the turian and geth infiltrators in this mix. Especially the turian.

I can totally understand the nerfs to the demolisher and destroyer but the ghost and the geth are way more of a problem than these guys. I can't go into a gold lobby now without seeing at least one other (and i said other because i have been playing him since release. 
This thing gives me no reason to use any other character) turian ghost infily, never the turian soldier mind you. At least the geth has one weakness - he's fragile, but turian ghost has not a single one.

He's tanky with stim packs (more so than a krogan vanguard, which is sad). He does amazing damage with a cerberus harrier in his hands (and about this time, i'm pretty sure everyone has one). He can turn invisible........(not that he needs to). He has one of the best anti-shield powers on this game (not that he needs it). And insane mobility with the jetpack movement.

So in conclusion what we have now is a damn near immortal infiltrator the can avoid damage unbelievably well in the first place. And another that can kill anything before it even thinks about shooting him? Bioware i think you missed your shots here, but we'll see once the data pops up of the most used characters in gold and platinum matches. You've done nothing but stopped people from using the other tops and narrowed it down to two classes that will be played the most now.

I know they're going to get nerfed. With either bioware seeing this and looking into it or obvious statistics. Flame me all you want, but this post will repeatedly get bumped so bioware can hopefully glance this. By the way, can't wait to go back to platinum to see solely geth and turian ghosts.

First of all, I don't understand why they would nerf "the best of the best." We finally get N7 soldiers, you know "the best of the best" and now they are just like the other soldiers. You are okay with this.

Second, all of us should be punished because some people, including you, don't have the will power (or are just not bored with them or don't know how to use your imagination or can't figure out a way to make the other characters work) to play another character and experiment and master them. So, Bioware is supposed to nerf them so you can whine that you can't use them like you use to? 

Third, I believe I know your problem if you can play the Ghost but not the Havoc soldier who is much more flexible and pust out much more damage (this is just going off actual maxium damage specs you can do to each character without adding any outside skill, guns, or teamwork) and did I mention much more flexible. This is kinda upsetting to me and my friends, most of which can play with the crappiest weapons and still out score me (only by 2-10k). We have fun but we play and learn and we make the game work instead of relying on stats to determine who we will play with.

You can be upset all you want but you know i'm right when it comes down to it, whether you admit it or not. And if you were so good with everything as you propose, you wouldn't mind a nerf to the top classes. Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one? Answer that question, then you have my respects.

Let me get this straight... You are sitting there and asking me, "Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one?" Well, I guess I would use imagination and effort because I am not an idiot therefore I do not have an idiot way of thinking.  [color=rgb(34,34,34)">But what I do have are a very particular ]; skills I have aquired[/color] over a very long career. Spec out of stim packs on both new Turians, run a Gold and get back to me. If you can make it through without dying, let's say six times, and do not come in last place, if you are not soloing, then I'd say there is hope for you yet. If not, I think you need to reevaluate yourself and not the kits.

Just saying...

So you can't answer my question? Yeah, i figured that before your response.

New question:
Why would i spec out of immortality when i don't have to?

Because you want a challenge?  Isn't that what this whole thread is about?

[CronicleChicken]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...


Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!. Batarian soldier with a Harrier? Are you crazy? Slap a falcon on that baby and begin the stagger sessions with Falcon + Ballistic Blades = Fun combo that kills and kills and kills. If you get bored, then throw in that ridiculously slow heavy melee and watch out! You'll get 50 melees in a game with four people. Seriously, I wish people would stop pretending that everyone plays the game or has the same mindset of how to play the game. Some of us *cough*haveskill*cough*

Yeah, the batarian soldier is a treasure. I play it with the Kishock - a gun that requires skill to play, actually my favorite sniper rifle. As a secondary I usally take a graal or, notabene, a falcon. This combines staggering fire support with deadly damage and various side effects. I love guns that have a special twist on them, not just point-n-shoot, but, for instance, shoot, mind the projectile velocity, watch the enemies go to infinity and beyond. Weapons that actually take skill or special class builds are lost - Kishock, Graal, Eagle, Arc-Pistol,Argus, Falcon etc... they require a buff. Nothing needs to be nerfed.

Also, someone mentioned that the harrier is the only good rifle without gimmicks. That's the problem. A monkey could perform well with a harrier if the next ammo supply is in close proximity. Hell, slap special ammo on it and there is nothing it can't punch a hole through.

I agree with your playstyle. I have no problem with the Harrier. I have a Harrier X in fact but I am using the locust. Why? Trying out things, earning banners, etc. The thing is the Harrier is N7 and if the N7 weapons and characters have no distiguishing traits that make it better than the other weapons or characters than rip of the N7 title. It's an insult to Shephard.

At first, congrats to a harrier X - all my envy is upon you, as my best UR is the Indra V (the next best being Javelin III >.>), also an unusual sniper rifle that I love - you exchange high shot power for fire rate, a better close combat capability due to the low-powered scope and get a faster reload.
However, I've got to disagree with you on the N7 stuff. Just because the ultra rare has a big "N7" as rarity marker it is not related to the entire N7 thingy - I cannot see how a Javelin or a scorpion has its roots on N7, while thingies like valiant, typhoon etc....certainly deserve this this title (Piranha only being rare, lolwut?).

You could mark it with an alliance symbol or with some reaper stuff as well instead of N7 armor pattern - still ultra rare.

I see your point. I think you are correct, although the Piranha should have been UR when it first came out. The thing I hate about this game is that instead of balancing the game they take a chump of this "nerf stuff" and throw it in on our stuff or sometimes the enemies and then they go and take a chump of this "buff stuff" and throw it on the enemy units. I wish they would have equal damage, according to gun and powers, across the board. The Raptor (I heard she is wielding a Widow but the image of the gun in her hand is the Raptor) in the hand of a Nemesis can wipe out anyone's sheilds in one shot, yet in our hands, barely makes us flinch. There should be some equality as far as the same gun doing the same damage in both ours and the enemies' hands. As far as the N7 ranking, there are some weapons and characters that are supposed to be better than others. The characters shouldn't have been nerfed. Weapons are more debatable but the characters not so much.

Modifié par CronicleChicken, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:12 .

[Optimisticalman]

Major Durza wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Don't get me wrong, the two classes they nerfed were two of the best classes on the game.

But i find it hard to see that they didn't catch the turian and geth infiltrators in this mix. Especially the turian.

I can totally understand the nerfs to the demolisher and destroyer but the ghost and the geth are way more of a problem than these guys. I can't go into a gold lobby now without seeing at least one other (and i said other because i have been playing him since release. 
This thing gives me no reason to use any other character) turian ghost infily, never the turian soldier mind you. At least the geth has one weakness - he's fragile, but turian ghost has not a single one.

He's tanky with stim packs (more so than a krogan vanguard, which is sad). He does amazing damage with a cerberus harrier in his hands (and about this time, i'm pretty sure everyone has one). He can turn invisible........(not that he needs to). He has one of the best anti-shield powers on this game (not that he needs it). And insane mobility with the jetpack movement.

So in conclusion what we have now is a damn near immortal infiltrator the can avoid damage unbelievably well in the first place. And another that can kill anything before it even thinks about shooting him? Bioware i think you missed your shots here, but we'll see once the data pops up of the most used characters in gold and platinum matches. You've done nothing but stopped people from using the other tops and narrowed it down to two classes that will be played the most now.

I know they're going to get nerfed. With either bioware seeing this and looking into it or obvious statistics. Flame me all you want, but this post will repeatedly get bumped so bioware can hopefully glance this. By the way, can't wait to go back to platinum to see solely geth and turian ghosts.

First of all, I don't understand why they would nerf "the best of the best." We finally get N7 soldiers, you know "the best of the best" and now they are just like the other soldiers. You are okay with this.

Second, all of us should be punished because some people, including you, don't have the will power (or are just not bored with them or don't know how to use your imagination or can't figure out a way to make the other characters work) to play another character and experiment and master them. So, Bioware is supposed to nerf them so you can whine that you can't use them like you use to? 

Third, I believe I know your problem if you can play the Ghost but not the Havoc soldier who is much more flexible and pust out much more damage (this is just going off actual maxium damage specs you can do to each character without adding any outside skill, guns, or teamwork) and did I mention much more flexible. This is kinda upsetting to me and my friends, most of which can play with the crappiest weapons and still out score me (only by 2-10k). We have fun but we play and learn and we make the game work instead of relying on stats to determine who we will play with.

You can be upset all you want but you know i'm right when it comes down to it, whether you admit it or not. And if you were so good with everything as you propose, you wouldn't mind a nerf to the top classes. Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one? Answer that question, then you have my respects.

Let me get this straight... You are sitting there and asking me, "Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one?" Well, I guess I would use imagination and effort because I am not an idiot therefore I do not have an idiot way of thinking.  [color=rgb(34,34,34)">But what I do have are a very particular ]; skills I have aquired[/color] over a very long career. Spec out of stim packs on both new Turians, run a Gold and get back to me. If you can make it through without dying, let's say six times, and do not come in last place, if you are not soloing, then I'd say there is hope for you yet. If not, I think you need to reevaluate yourself and not the kits.

Just saying...

So you can't answer my question? Yeah, i figured that before your response.

New question:
Why would i spec out of immortality when i don't have to?

Because you want a challenge?  Isn't that what this whole thread is about?

You've missed the point of this thread obviously. And in defense of your turian infiltrator, you're not making any.

Oh and you still didn't answer my question.

[Optimisticalman]

Most of everyone's logic in their arugements is the turian infiltrator is new, he shares powers, and "i need an insta win button to be good at mass effect 3, stop trying to nerf him waah". I can agree with the power sharing arguement.

That is all.

[CronicleChicken]

X M3TH0D1C4L X wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Dude, I answered your question while calling you an idiot. How did you not - Oh wait, idiot. My apologies. Here let me spell it out for you 
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Okay, for your second question, "Why would i spec out of immortality when i don't have to?" First of all, you are not immortal. If you think you are because you have stim packs and thermal clips, look up the definition in a dictionary. You know what that is, right? Second, if you are immortal, why are you just playing Gold? If you had sad Platinum, then I think I would ask you how you did it, what guns did you use, what map, you know that sort of thing. Third, and this is important, why are you such an idiot troll?

Fixed that for you.

Ah. I appreciate it. 

[davidthepanda]

your wrong. i still dont have a harrier

[Operator m1]

Optimisticalman wrote...

Most of everyone's logic in their arugements is the turian infiltrator is new, he shares powers, and "i need an insta win button to be good at mass effect 3, stop trying to nerf him waah". I can agree with the power sharing arguement.

That is all.

It's ok. No one wants to own up to their mistakes/shortcomings on a public forum.

Operator m1 wrote...

That is not an insult. That is a fact about you. I'm not even trying to hurt you with words. I'm holding up a mirror for you, and you don't like what you see. If you didn't give such a poor reason as to why the TGI should be nerfed, at least 3 different people wouldn't be here telling you the same thing about yourself that I am.

Just keep that in mind. You'll be a better person for it.

Modifié par Operator m1, 24 octobre 2012 - 08:23 .

[CronicleChicken]

Optimisticalman wrote...

Most of everyone's logic in their arugements is the turian infiltrator is new, he shares powers, and "i need an insta win button to be good at mass effect 3, stop trying to nerf him waah". I can agree with the power sharing arguement.

That is all.

I told you, spec out of it and play Gold with him. Then you'd see his awesomeness on his bad day.

[SlimJim0725]

Optimisticalman wrote...

Andreadg89 wrote...

No thanks. Why we have to nerf all the good character this game has? Why?

Because it breaks the game, for me at least. i have played with this new turian and have gotten so bad with so many other characters because it puts you in a lazy mindset. Literally while i'm playing with fury - "why play a fury when i can have infinite shields and boss decimating damage?" *switches back to ghost infiltrator*

There should be no character that is insta-win and the fact that this guy isn't ultra-rarity is even more confusing.

Then you are just plain bad. I play every character and every character has the ability to do well. Just because you get in a lazy mindset and have to use a crutch for yourself doesn't mean anyone else has to use it. I don't enjoy playing the same character over and over unless I am trying to learn its abilities and how I can play it, once I do that I switch to another character as usual.

[Optimisticalman]

CronicleChicken wrote...

X M3TH0D1C4L X wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Dude, I answered your question while calling you an idiot. How did you not - Oh wait, idiot. My apologies. Here let me spell it out for you 
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Okay, for your second question, "Why would i spec out of immortality when i don't have to?" First of all, you are not immortal. If you think you are because you have stim packs and thermal clips, look up the definition in a dictionary. You know what that is, right? Second, if you are immortal, why are you just playing Gold? If you had sad Platinum, then I think I would ask you how you did it, what guns did you use, what map, you know that sort of thing. Third, and this is important, why are you such an idiot troll?

Fixed that for you.

Ah. I appreciate it. 

Ok, so what you're saying is that you can bring no relevant arguement to this discussion thread and the only way you can compensate your lack of data to prove me wrong is throw insults that does nothing more but show the sheer amount of children that are able to purchase mass effect 3 through their moms or even worse, you're a grown man-child that knows he's wrong and unwilling to accept other's opinions you display your immature behavior over the interwebs?  Fair enough. I won't respond any further to your posts if that's the case.