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[Optimisticalman]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

All of these people who have become overly-reliant on the Geth Infiltrator are ridiculous. "Oh, he's perfectly balanced. He's a glass cannon." Um, no he really isn't. The plain Asari Adept is a glass cannon. The GI can see through walls and highlight all nearby enemies in Red. This adds quite dramatically to his survivability.

Exactly. People are calling me bad, but they're opposing nerfs to the top characters.

Why? - Because it's what they use the majority of the time of course. What other reason would there be. I wouldn't mind a nerf, cause i know i can manage without one. Obviously the people that are against these "nerfs" aren't ready to lose what cradles them from all the baddies.

Destroyer achieves 5,000 DPS - "He was waaay OP.  Clearly needed a nerf."

The GI cranks out 15,000 DPS - "He's perfectly balanced.  Don't you DARE touch him!"

Precisely and i don't understand it either. If people need overpowered characters to be good, why just randomly agree with the nerfs on two of them? It doesn't make any since.

[SkylarV]

Optimisticalman wrote...

I wouldn't mind a nerf, cause i know i can manage without one.

Still plays Turian Ghost anyway.

[Major Durza]

Ignoring me now are you, Optimisticalman? I guess I win, not that you will ever admit it.
I would say something more offensive, but I will settle with "hypocrite".

[SlimJim0725]

At point 1, just saying that I haven't seen you solo gold either and after watching the Platinum fiasco that you didn't look convincing that you knew how to escape a bad situation. I could be wrong on that, but that was my point with that one. I don't even remember exactly what you used on that video, but I am sure plenty of people could make it past wave 1.

At point 2, you were likely an average or possibly even good player (honestly all I ever saw from you was that Platinum), but if that character has become your go to one then yes you have become bad. As I said before, I don't just play 1 character, I don't even have a go to character really. There are so many of them that I can use to carry a bad team that I never get stuck on just one.

Edit: Legit final post in here, not even looking at it again for the response.

Modifié par Slimjim0725, 24 octobre 2012 - 09:30 .

[Kiernin]

Computron2000 wrote...

The turians are too new. Notice the time from when the destroyers and demolishers came in, to their current nerf. The turians will be nerfed but only some time later.

The GI is currently unnerfable because his powers are shared by others. Nerfing him means nerfing classes that were never super powerful.

I seriously think they should have split the powers so that it had the same name but could be configured differently, such as the arc grenades of the QMI/QME and the demolisher. Both have the same name and similar effects but are different powers in the system

I am not sure this is entirely correct. You remember way back when the Quarian engineer/infil's arc grenades were nerfed to bring them into line with demolisher arc grenades? Doesn't this kind of mean that they were 2 different powers to begin with? Unless they tossed 1 power to give the 2 classes the same power, or are able to give the same power different values for each class, which I don't think they do.

[Optimisticalman]

Slimjim0725 wrote...

At point 1, just saying that I haven't seen you solo gold either and after watching the Platinum fiasco that you didn't look convincing that you knew how to escape a bad situation. I could be wrong on that, but that was my point with that one. I don't even remember exactly what you used on that video, but I am sure plenty of people could make it past wave 1.

At point 2, you were likely an average or possibly even good player (honestly all I ever saw from you was that Platinum), but if that character has become your go to one then yes you have become bad. As I said before, I don't just play 1 character, I don't even have a go to character really. There are so many of them that I can use to carry a bad team that I never get stuck on just one.

Edit: Legit final post in here, not even looking at it again for the response.

So why are you trying to prevent a nerf on this one? Please explain to me this logic of defending a character that you don't use oftenly but then saying you don't play him that much.

It doesn't matter whether i'm good or not, in the end this is going to be the go to character for everybody that doesn't like thinking.

And i may be wrong, but i just think that someone that is bad can play on the same level of someone that is good just by the help of a selection screen is stupid.

Modifié par Optimisticalman, 24 octobre 2012 - 09:37 .

[Optimisticalman]

Kiernin wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

The turians are too new. Notice the time from when the destroyers and demolishers came in, to their current nerf. The turians will be nerfed but only some time later.

The GI is currently unnerfable because his powers are shared by others. Nerfing him means nerfing classes that were never super powerful.

I seriously think they should have split the powers so that it had the same name but could be configured differently, such as the arc grenades of the QMI/QME and the demolisher. Both have the same name and similar effects but are different powers in the system

I am not sure this is entirely correct. You remember way back when the Quarian engineer/infil's arc grenades were nerfed to bring them into line with demolisher arc grenades? Doesn't this kind of mean that they were 2 different powers to begin with? Unless they tossed 1 power to give the 2 classes the same power, or are able to give the same power different values for each class, which I don't think they do.

You know what, you're right. So why didn't they do that for geth engineer who is nowhere near as strong as the infiltrator!!?
I hope this means they can actually nerf these abominations on the multiplayer.

[Optimisticalman]

SkylarV wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

I wouldn't mind a nerf, cause i know i can manage without one.

Still plays Turian Ghost anyway.

Yes, because i have no reason to play another. He's broken and i like winning.....why not play him?

[Major Durza]

Optimisticalman wrote...

SkylarV wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

I wouldn't mind a nerf, cause i know i can manage without one.

Still plays Turian Ghost anyway.

Yes, because i have no reason to play another. He's broken and i like winning.....why not play him?

Because you want a challenge.  As you put it, you want to earn your win.

[WarmechaM2]

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Don't get me wrong, the two classes they nerfed were two of the best classes on the game.

But i find it hard to see that they didn't catch the turian and geth infiltrators in this mix. Especially the turian.

I can totally understand the nerfs to the demolisher and destroyer but the ghost and the geth are way more of a problem than these guys. I can't go into a gold lobby now without seeing at least one other (and i said other because i have been playing him since release. 
This thing gives me no reason to use any other character) turian ghost infily, never the turian soldier mind you. At least the geth has one weakness - he's fragile, but turian ghost has not a single one.

He's tanky with stim packs (more so than a krogan vanguard, which is sad). He does amazing damage with a cerberus harrier in his hands (and about this time, i'm pretty sure everyone has one). He can turn invisible........(not that he needs to). He has one of the best anti-shield powers on this game (not that he needs it). And insane mobility with the jetpack movement.

So in conclusion what we have now is a damn near immortal infiltrator the can avoid damage unbelievably well in the first place. And another that can kill anything before it even thinks about shooting him? Bioware i think you missed your shots here, but we'll see once the data pops up of the most used characters in gold and platinum matches. You've done nothing but stopped people from using the other tops and narrowed it down to two classes that will be played the most now.

I know they're going to get nerfed. With either bioware seeing this and looking into it or obvious statistics. Flame me all you want, but this post will repeatedly get bumped so bioware can hopefully glance this. By the way, can't wait to go back to platinum to see solely geth and turian ghosts.

First of all, I don't understand why they would nerf "the best of the best." We finally get N7 soldiers, you know "the best of the best" and now they are just like the other soldiers. You are okay with this.

Second, all of us should be punished because some people, including you, don't have the will power (or are just not bored with them or don't know how to use your imagination or can't figure out a way to make the other characters work) to play another character and experiment and master them. So, Bioware is supposed to nerf them so you can whine that you can't use them like you use to? 

Third, I believe I know your problem if you can play the Ghost but not the Havoc soldier who is much more flexible and pust out much more damage (this is just going off actual maxium damage specs you can do to each character without adding any outside skill, guns, or teamwork) and did I mention much more flexible. This is kinda upsetting to me and my friends, most of which can play with the crappiest weapons and still out score me (only by 2-10k). We have fun but we play and learn and we make the game work instead of relying on stats to determine who we will play with.

You can be upset all you want but you know i'm right when it comes down to it, whether you admit it or not. And if you were so good with everything as you propose, you wouldn't mind a nerf to the top classes. Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one? Answer that question, then you have my respects.

Let me get this straight... You are sitting there and asking me, "Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one?" Well, I guess I would use imagination and effort because I am not an idiot therefore I do not have an idiot way of thinking.  But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have aquired over a very long career. Spec out of stim packs on both new Turians, run a Gold and get back to me. If you can make it through without dying, let's say six times, and do not come in last place, if you are not soloing, then I'd say there is hope for you yet. If not, I think you need to reevaluate yourself and not the kits.

Just saying...

So you can't answer my question? Yeah, i figured that before your response.

New question:
Why would i spec out of immortality when i don't have to?

Dude, I answered your question while calling you an idiot. How did you not - Oh wait, idiot. My apologies. Here let me spell it out for you 
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Okay, for your second question, "Why would i spec out of immortality when i don't have to?" First of all, you are not immortal. If you think you are because you have stim packs and thermal clips, look up the definition in a dictionary. You know what that is, right? Second, if you are immortal, why are you just playing Gold? If you had sad Platinum, then I think I would ask you how you did it, what guns did you use, what map, you know that sort of thing. Third, and this is important, why are you such an idiot?

Fix'd for ya mate.

And op you're an idiot, you complain about an "auto pilot" character, yet you refuse to use another character. 

That's like bringing a gun to a knife fight, you complain about how easy it is to shoot people from range yet you won't put down the gun. 

And then you say how easy it is on gold with it, try running another character, who isn't maxed out and has level 3/4 equipment on firebase condor against collectors. 

And TURIAN GHOST DOES NOT COUNT AS ANOTHER CHARACTER.

[silencekills]

Major Durza wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

SkylarV wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

I wouldn't mind a nerf, cause i know i can manage without one.

Still plays Turian Ghost anyway.

Yes, because i have no reason to play another. He's broken and i like winning.....why not play him?

Because you want a challenge.  As you put it, you want to earn your win.

Yup.

[Optimisticalman]

WarmechaM2 wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Don't get me wrong, the two classes they nerfed were two of the best classes on the game.

But i find it hard to see that they didn't catch the turian and geth infiltrators in this mix. Especially the turian.

I can totally understand the nerfs to the demolisher and destroyer but the ghost and the geth are way more of a problem than these guys. I can't go into a gold lobby now without seeing at least one other (and i said other because i have been playing him since release. 
This thing gives me no reason to use any other character) turian ghost infily, never the turian soldier mind you. At least the geth has one weakness - he's fragile, but turian ghost has not a single one.

He's tanky with stim packs (more so than a krogan vanguard, which is sad). He does amazing damage with a cerberus harrier in his hands (and about this time, i'm pretty sure everyone has one). He can turn invisible........(not that he needs to). He has one of the best anti-shield powers on this game (not that he needs it). And insane mobility with the jetpack movement.

So in conclusion what we have now is a damn near immortal infiltrator the can avoid damage unbelievably well in the first place. And another that can kill anything before it even thinks about shooting him? Bioware i think you missed your shots here, but we'll see once the data pops up of the most used characters in gold and platinum matches. You've done nothing but stopped people from using the other tops and narrowed it down to two classes that will be played the most now.

I know they're going to get nerfed. With either bioware seeing this and looking into it or obvious statistics. Flame me all you want, but this post will repeatedly get bumped so bioware can hopefully glance this. By the way, can't wait to go back to platinum to see solely geth and turian ghosts.

First of all, I don't understand why they would nerf "the best of the best." We finally get N7 soldiers, you know "the best of the best" and now they are just like the other soldiers. You are okay with this.

Second, all of us should be punished because some people, including you, don't have the will power (or are just not bored with them or don't know how to use your imagination or can't figure out a way to make the other characters work) to play another character and experiment and master them. So, Bioware is supposed to nerf them so you can whine that you can't use them like you use to? 

Third, I believe I know your problem if you can play the Ghost but not the Havoc soldier who is much more flexible and pust out much more damage (this is just going off actual maxium damage specs you can do to each character without adding any outside skill, guns, or teamwork) and did I mention much more flexible. This is kinda upsetting to me and my friends, most of which can play with the crappiest weapons and still out score me (only by 2-10k). We have fun but we play and learn and we make the game work instead of relying on stats to determine who we will play with.

You can be upset all you want but you know i'm right when it comes down to it, whether you admit it or not. And if you were so good with everything as you propose, you wouldn't mind a nerf to the top classes. Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one? Answer that question, then you have my respects.

Let me get this straight... You are sitting there and asking me, "Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one?" Well, I guess I would use imagination and effort because I am not an idiot therefore I do not have an idiot way of thinking.  But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have aquired over a very long career. Spec out of stim packs on both new Turians, run a Gold and get back to me. If you can make it through without dying, let's say six times, and do not come in last place, if you are not soloing, then I'd say there is hope for you yet. If not, I think you need to reevaluate yourself and not the kits.

Just saying...

So you can't answer my question? Yeah, i figured that before your response.

New question:
Why would i spec out of immortality when i don't have to?

Dude, I answered your question while calling you an idiot. How did you not - Oh wait, idiot. My apologies. Here let me spell it out for you 
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Okay, for your second question, "Why would i spec out of immortality when i don't have to?" First of all, you are not immortal. If you think you are because you have stim packs and thermal clips, look up the definition in a dictionary. You know what that is, right? Second, if you are immortal, why are you just playing Gold? If you had sad Platinum, then I think I would ask you how you did it, what guns did you use, what map, you know that sort of thing. Third, and this is important, why are you such an idiot?

Fix'd for ya mate.

And op you're an idiot, you complain about an "auto pilot" character, yet you refuse to use another character. 

That's like bringing a gun to a knife fight, you complain about how easy it is to shoot people from range yet you won't put down the gun. 

And then you say how easy it is on gold with it, try running another character, who isn't maxed out and has level 3/4 equipment on firebase condor against collectors. 

And TURIAN GHOST DOES NOT COUNT AS ANOTHER CHARACTER.

And once again mindless insults, just going to show you can't bring an actual arguement.

I'll make this short. The character is broken, he doesn't need to be broken. He needs to be fixed. I use him because he gives me no reason to use another character. I like not thinking, does that make the character any less overpowered? Your logic is unbelievably flawed and your metaphors are worst. Get better reasoning and come back to me.

Modifié par Optimisticalman, 24 octobre 2012 - 09:59 .

[echovelocity]

X M3TH0D1C4L X wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Ok, so what you're saying is that you can bring no relevant arguement to this discussion thread and the only way you can compensate your lack of data to prove me wrong is throw insults that does nothing more but show the sheer amount of children that are able to purchase mass effect 3 through their moms or even worse, you're a grown man-child that knows he's wrong and unwilling to accept other's opinions you display your immature behavior over the interwebs?  Fair enough. I won't respond any further to your posts if that's the case.

I admit the class is poweful, but trying to get the class "nerfed as soon as possible" is considered trolling, especially when the majority do not like nerfs.

There really is no way of nerfing the TGI without harming other classes in the process.

Overload - I really don't see how nerfing this would do any good to begin with, but again, Engineers and the Turian Sentinel use this power, so nerfing it will harm them more than it will the Ghost.

Tactical Cloak - It has already been nerfed, and nerfing this will hurt all the other infiltrators. The only thing that is different is the AR damage bonus on Rank 6, but its only 20%. Snipers on other classes are 25%. They could reduce it, but I don't see it being effective.

Stim Pack - This is where the nerf would be needed, but again, this affects the Havoc soldier as well, which that class is not the cream of the crop if you have played that character. The only thing I could see them doing is maybe cutting the amount of shields it restores, but again, it still won't help much even if they cut it in half, and hurts the Havoc in the process as stated. The stim packs are also limited. You have to run around to replenish them, or use Thermal Packs, which you only have 5 of in a match..

So really, I don't see any nerf going to this character. Bioware did themselves in when they decided to create a character with such power.

^ Pretty much this.

And although it's obvious OP is trolling, the Ghost will be nerfed soon enough, along with the Geth Infiltrator, and many other weapons, gear, and characters. There's really no point in calling for nerfs because BioWare will nerf anything that gets overused.

Does it matter? Not really, I'll just be one of the few people who actually try out all the different characters, and will continue to use the Ghost, Destroyer, GI, and many others after their nerfing.

[FeralJester616]

Clearly Balkan wrote...

Keep your filthy hands OFF from Infiltrator class in general.

Fu*king whiners - ruin of every game.

Just simply this.

[WarmechaM2]

Optimisticalman wrote...

WarmechaM2 wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Don't get me wrong, the two classes they nerfed were two of the best classes on the game.

But i find it hard to see that they didn't catch the turian and geth infiltrators in this mix. Especially the turian.

I can totally understand the nerfs to the demolisher and destroyer but the ghost and the geth are way more of a problem than these guys. I can't go into a gold lobby now without seeing at least one other (and i said other because i have been playing him since release. 
This thing gives me no reason to use any other character) turian ghost infily, never the turian soldier mind you. At least the geth has one weakness - he's fragile, but turian ghost has not a single one.

He's tanky with stim packs (more so than a krogan vanguard, which is sad). He does amazing damage with a cerberus harrier in his hands (and about this time, i'm pretty sure everyone has one). He can turn invisible........(not that he needs to). He has one of the best anti-shield powers on this game (not that he needs it). And insane mobility with the jetpack movement.

So in conclusion what we have now is a damn near immortal infiltrator the can avoid damage unbelievably well in the first place. And another that can kill anything before it even thinks about shooting him? Bioware i think you missed your shots here, but we'll see once the data pops up of the most used characters in gold and platinum matches. You've done nothing but stopped people from using the other tops and narrowed it down to two classes that will be played the most now.

I know they're going to get nerfed. With either bioware seeing this and looking into it or obvious statistics. Flame me all you want, but this post will repeatedly get bumped so bioware can hopefully glance this. By the way, can't wait to go back to platinum to see solely geth and turian ghosts.

First of all, I don't understand why they would nerf "the best of the best." We finally get N7 soldiers, you know "the best of the best" and now they are just like the other soldiers. You are okay with this.

Second, all of us should be punished because some people, including you, don't have the will power (or are just not bored with them or don't know how to use your imagination or can't figure out a way to make the other characters work) to play another character and experiment and master them. So, Bioware is supposed to nerf them so you can whine that you can't use them like you use to? 

Third, I believe I know your problem if you can play the Ghost but not the Havoc soldier who is much more flexible and pust out much more damage (this is just going off actual maxium damage specs you can do to each character without adding any outside skill, guns, or teamwork) and did I mention much more flexible. This is kinda upsetting to me and my friends, most of which can play with the crappiest weapons and still out score me (only by 2-10k). We have fun but we play and learn and we make the game work instead of relying on stats to determine who we will play with.

You can be upset all you want but you know i'm right when it comes down to it, whether you admit it or not. And if you were so good with everything as you propose, you wouldn't mind a nerf to the top classes. Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one? Answer that question, then you have my respects.

Let me get this straight... You are sitting there and asking me, "Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one?" Well, I guess I would use imagination and effort because I am not an idiot therefore I do not have an idiot way of thinking.  But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have aquired over a very long career. Spec out of stim packs on both new Turians, run a Gold and get back to me. If you can make it through without dying, let's say six times, and do not come in last place, if you are not soloing, then I'd say there is hope for you yet. If not, I think you need to reevaluate yourself and not the kits.

Just saying...

So you can't answer my question? Yeah, i figured that before your response.

New question:
Why would i spec out of immortality when i don't have to?

Dude, I answered your question while calling you an idiot. How did you not - Oh wait, idiot. My apologies. Here let me spell it out for you 
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Okay, for your second question, "Why would i spec out of immortality when i don't have to?" First of all, you are not immortal. If you think you are because you have stim packs and thermal clips, look up the definition in a dictionary. You know what that is, right? Second, if you are immortal, why are you just playing Gold? If you had sad Platinum, then I think I would ask you how you did it, what guns did you use, what map, you know that sort of thing. Third, and this is important, why are you such an idiot?

Fix'd for ya mate.

And op you're an idiot, you complain about an "auto pilot" character, yet you refuse to use another character. 

That's like bringing a gun to a knife fight, you complain about how easy it is to shoot people from range yet you won't put down the gun. 

And then you say how easy it is on gold with it, try running another character, who isn't maxed out and has level 3/4 equipment on firebase condor against collectors. 

And TURIAN GHOST DOES NOT COUNT AS ANOTHER CHARACTER.

And once again mindless insults, just going to show you can't bring an actual arguement.

I'll make this short. The character is broken, he doesn't need to be broken. He needs to be fixed. I use him because he gives me no reason to use another character. I like not thinking, does that make the character any less overpowered? Your logic is unbelievably flawed and your metaphors are worst. Get better reasoning and come back to me.

Thanks for proving me point, You don't HAVE to use him, i've had the destroyer, demolisher and GI for ages and the ghost, yet i pass them up to run the drell (before the buff)

Even though i had "op" characters, i didn't feel like i NEEDED to use them, and ironicly enough not even you have an arguement, you're full of condridictions and you brush off anyone who tries to suggest a method of making you less idioitic and narrow minded. 

[silencekills]

Optimisticalman wrote...

WarmechaM2 wrote...

Fix'd for ya mate.

And op you're an idiot, you complain about an "auto pilot" character, yet you refuse to use another character. 

That's like bringing a gun to a knife fight, you complain about how easy it is to shoot people from range yet you won't put down the gun. 

And then you say how easy it is on gold with it, try running another character, who isn't maxed out and has level 3/4 equipment on firebase condor against collectors. 

And TURIAN GHOST DOES NOT COUNT AS ANOTHER CHARACTER.

And once again mindless insults, just going to show you can't bring an actual arguement.

I'll make this short. The character is broken, he doesn't need to be broken. He needs to be fixed. I use him because he gives me no reason to use another character. I like not thinking, does that make the character any less overpowered? Your logic is unbelievably flawed and your metaphors are worst. Get better reasoning and come back to me.

Yes, the insultes were not needed.

No, the metaphor does apply here as it is explained.

Sounds like you not liking to think and not being able to put down the character are personal problems.

[ripper000]

Why did the destroyer take a hit?

[Optimisticalman]

WarmechaM2 wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

WarmechaM2 wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

CronicleChicken wrote...

Optimisticalman wrote...

Don't get me wrong, the two classes they nerfed were two of the best classes on the game.

But i find it hard to see that they didn't catch the turian and geth infiltrators in this mix. Especially the turian.

I can totally understand the nerfs to the demolisher and destroyer but the ghost and the geth are way more of a problem than these guys. I can't go into a gold lobby now without seeing at least one other (and i said other because i have been playing him since release. 
This thing gives me no reason to use any other character) turian ghost infily, never the turian soldier mind you. At least the geth has one weakness - he's fragile, but turian ghost has not a single one.

He's tanky with stim packs (more so than a krogan vanguard, which is sad). He does amazing damage with a cerberus harrier in his hands (and about this time, i'm pretty sure everyone has one). He can turn invisible........(not that he needs to). He has one of the best anti-shield powers on this game (not that he needs it). And insane mobility with the jetpack movement.

So in conclusion what we have now is a damn near immortal infiltrator the can avoid damage unbelievably well in the first place. And another that can kill anything before it even thinks about shooting him? Bioware i think you missed your shots here, but we'll see once the data pops up of the most used characters in gold and platinum matches. You've done nothing but stopped people from using the other tops and narrowed it down to two classes that will be played the most now.

I know they're going to get nerfed. With either bioware seeing this and looking into it or obvious statistics. Flame me all you want, but this post will repeatedly get bumped so bioware can hopefully glance this. By the way, can't wait to go back to platinum to see solely geth and turian ghosts.

First of all, I don't understand why they would nerf "the best of the best." We finally get N7 soldiers, you know "the best of the best" and now they are just like the other soldiers. You are okay with this.

Second, all of us should be punished because some people, including you, don't have the will power (or are just not bored with them or don't know how to use your imagination or can't figure out a way to make the other characters work) to play another character and experiment and master them. So, Bioware is supposed to nerf them so you can whine that you can't use them like you use to? 

Third, I believe I know your problem if you can play the Ghost but not the Havoc soldier who is much more flexible and pust out much more damage (this is just going off actual maxium damage specs you can do to each character without adding any outside skill, guns, or teamwork) and did I mention much more flexible. This is kinda upsetting to me and my friends, most of which can play with the crappiest weapons and still out score me (only by 2-10k). We have fun but we play and learn and we make the game work instead of relying on stats to determine who we will play with.

You can be upset all you want but you know i'm right when it comes down to it, whether you admit it or not. And if you were so good with everything as you propose, you wouldn't mind a nerf to the top classes. Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one? Answer that question, then you have my respects.

Let me get this straight... You are sitting there and asking me, "Why use imagination and effort on any other class when i can be an idiot with one?" Well, I guess I would use imagination and effort because I am not an idiot therefore I do not have an idiot way of thinking.  But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have aquired over a very long career. Spec out of stim packs on both new Turians, run a Gold and get back to me. If you can make it through without dying, let's say six times, and do not come in last place, if you are not soloing, then I'd say there is hope for you yet. If not, I think you need to reevaluate yourself and not the kits.

Just saying...

So you can't answer my question? Yeah, i figured that before your response.

New question:
Why would i spec out of immortality when i don't have to?

Dude, I answered your question while calling you an idiot. How did you not - Oh wait, idiot. My apologies. Here let me spell it out for you 
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Okay, for your second question, "Why would i spec out of immortality when i don't have to?" First of all, you are not immortal. If you think you are because you have stim packs and thermal clips, look up the definition in a dictionary. You know what that is, right? Second, if you are immortal, why are you just playing Gold? If you had sad Platinum, then I think I would ask you how you did it, what guns did you use, what map, you know that sort of thing. Third, and this is important, why are you such an idiot?

Fix'd for ya mate.

And op you're an idiot, you complain about an "auto pilot" character, yet you refuse to use another character. 

That's like bringing a gun to a knife fight, you complain about how easy it is to shoot people from range yet you won't put down the gun. 

And then you say how easy it is on gold with it, try running another character, who isn't maxed out and has level 3/4 equipment on firebase condor against collectors. 

And TURIAN GHOST DOES NOT COUNT AS ANOTHER CHARACTER.

And once again mindless insults, just going to show you can't bring an actual arguement.

I'll make this short. The character is broken, he doesn't need to be broken. He needs to be fixed. I use him because he gives me no reason to use another character. I like not thinking, does that make the character any less overpowered? Your logic is unbelievably flawed and your metaphors are worst. Get better reasoning and come back to me.

Thanks for proving me point, You don't HAVE to use him, i've had the destroyer, demolisher and GI for ages and the ghost, yet i pass them up to run the drell (before the buff)

Even though i had "op" characters, i didn't feel like i NEEDED to use them, and ironicly enough not even you have an arguement, you're full of condridictions and you brush off anyone who tries to suggest a method of making you less idioitic and narrow minded. 

First of all, some kid that begins any statement he makes with insults without even being provoked to do so can't be taken seriously. Just need to let you know your place in this conversation.

Two, you made no points and everything you're saying doesn't pertain to what i'm saying. None of your personal experiences relate to anything. you're not important, you're one person. So just because YOU (and yes i capitilized just like you, another sign of immaturity and your misplacement on these forums) don't have to rely on one character doesn't matter. It's the fact that anyone can rely on this one character.

Got it now or must i drop some more wisdom?

Edit: Oh and it's "my" not "me". Please stay in school.

Modifié par Optimisticalman, 24 octobre 2012 - 10:14 .

[Hantaksk]

I wish they would rethink the whole hunter mode thing, its just permanent wall hack with incrased(hell yeah) gun damage.
Sure people say.. "but geth are so squishy". And thats truth, but its not neccesary a fair way to compensate, since you can see pretty much everything you reduce the chances of getting shot to joke like percentages, mix that with closed enviroments like glaciar and you have close to no risks if you play it safely abusing cover and such.

But yeah, the new turian infiltrator is the best character out there, broken to the bone, only mixed with tac cloak to add insult to injury.

They should have been balanced to a level comparable to other characters, either by buffing the others or nerfing these guys.

Anyway, the amount of QQ is strong on this thread.

[silencekills]

Optimisticalman wrote...

WarmechaM2 wrote...

Thanks for proving me point, You don't HAVE to use him, i've had the destroyer, demolisher and GI for ages and the ghost, yet i pass them up to run the drell (before the buff)

Even though i had "op" characters, i didn't feel like i NEEDED to use them, and ironicly enough not even you have an arguement, you're full of condridictions and you brush off anyone who tries to suggest a method of making you less idioitic and narrow minded. 

First of all, some kid that begins any statement he makes with insults without even being provoked to do so can't be taken seriously. Just need to let you know your place in this conversation.

Two, you made no points and everything you're saying doesn't pertain to what i'm saying. None of your personal experiences relate to anything. you're not important, you're one person. So just because YOU (and yes i capitilized just like you, another sign of immaturity and your misplacement on these forums) don't have to rely on one character doesn't matter. It's the fact that anyone can rely on this one character.

Got it now or must i drop some more wisdom?

Edit: Oh and it's "my" not "me". Please stay in school.

Are we taking into account the fact that people don't HAVE to use this one character and not the others and just because YOU don't like to think and refuse to use a different character doesn't mean that everyone else will do the same?

No? Ok. I, uh....guess i'll be going now.

[Optimisticalman]

Hantaksk wrote...

I wish they would rethink the whole hunter mode thing, its just permanent wall hack with incrased(hell yeah) gun damage.
Sure people say.. "but geth are so squishy". And thats truth, but its not neccesary a fair way to compensate, since you can see pretty much everything you reduce the chances of getting shot to joke like percentages, mix that with closed enviroments like glaciar and you have close to no risks if you play it safely abusing cover and such.

But yeah, the new turian infiltrator is the best character out there, broken to the bone, only mixed with tac cloak to add insult to injury.

They should have been balanced to a level comparable to other characters, either by buffing the others or nerfing these guys.

Anyway, the amount of QQ is strong on this thread.

Yes it is and soon people will realize how broken they are when they see them in every gold/platinum lobby they go into. but of course they'll still deny it. the demolisher and destroyer weren't even that bad in my opinion, not with their obvious weaknesses.

Glad to see another like-minded person.

Modifié par Optimisticalman, 24 octobre 2012 - 10:21 .

[RGZ Archer]

Computron2000 wrote...

The turians are too new. Notice the time from when the destroyers and demolishers came in, to their current nerf. The turians will be nerfed but only some time later.

The GI is currently unnerfable because his powers are shared by others. Nerfing him means nerfing classes that were never super powerful.

I seriously think they should have split the powers so that it had the same name but could be configured differently, such as the arc grenades of the QMI/QME and the demolisher. Both have the same name and similar effects but are different powers in the system

They sure as heck didnt wait long to nerf the hell out of the Typhoon if you'll recall. The thing had been nerfed TWICE before I even got one.

Also to the OP's comment about the Harrier, nearly 500 hours of farming, only got it at level 2, nowhere near high enough to bother using. Thing eats ammo like a starved man at an all you can eat diner.

[Drummernate]

Nerf Geth Infiltrators for like a 3rd time?...

No thanks.

[Lord Rosario]

He gets a 20% boost to assault rifles and apparently that makes him super op with the Harrier? The shield boost packs are limited [though perhaps not limited enough].

[Optimisticalman]

Lord Rosario wrote...

He gets a 20% boost to assault rifles and apparently that makes him super op with the Harrier? The shield boost packs are limited [though perhaps not limited enough].

Apparently you haven't mowed through enemies and bosses like they're cardboard targets at shooting gallery with this guy. And you are right about the stim packs - aka the reason i call him immortal.