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[ckriley]

Okay, very serious question here.  Not exaggerating.  If you decide to confront Ser Cauthrien at the exit to Arl Howe's estate, with her 13 other guards, she is BY FAR the most powerful being in all of Thedas.  I figured the tactic in beating her is to run back into Anora's room, which actually works.  By doing this, none of the other guards aggro, and you can pull her alone and then it's four on one.

Sounds good right?  Wrong.  Way, way wrong.

Even with shield mastery and shield wall, she hits between 130-150, is immune to most snares, will ignore your taunts if she gets pissed off at say, your healer or one of the DPS, and seems to have much more HP than the final boss in the game, an Old God. 

I'm being very serious here.  I've played through the game a couple times already, and I always choose to just surrender right there and then do the whole escape from the dungeon thing.  Interestingly, when you confront her at the Landsmeet, she isn't nearly as powerful.  I can defeat her there with no problems, but here?  It is very nearly mathematically impossible.   You can't possibly do enough damage  or receive enough healing to beat her. 

Is this intentional?  Do the devs want you to go to the dungeon first, and then confront her at the Landsmeet instead, where she is much more manageable?  If so, then why give players the option to fight her at Howe's estate?  And if anyone can beat her hear, please let me know how you do it.  And by the way, this is on normal mode.

Totally ridiculous.    

[Hahren]

Ser Cauthrien is a goddess! She rocks the socks, and it makes me sad she can't join the party.

[TheMadCat]

It's not a fight you are "supposed" to win really, though it is possible to kill her. You just have to lead her back into the hallway alone and she's a cakewalk on her own. But yeah, it was intentional to be so difficult.

[CREinstein]

Apparently some people have beaten her in there, I could not even damage her...

[ToJKa1]

I've seen this sort of fights on other games too, you are expected to lose, but winning is technically possible. Personally, when i choose to fight her, i don't even try to win, it is just "Go down fighting" choice for characters that don't take imprisonment well.

[Dennis Carpenter]

Its one of those forced storyline fights because if you do fight her and win then you cant be put in jail and I guess the storyline for escaping jail or plotting a rescue would be eliminated. Maybe the designers thought that particular storyline was interesting enough to warrant making it difficult to avoid without automatically placing you in the jail.

[h0tr0d]

Kerafyrm... lol

[Pisai]

I just reloaded an old game and killed her on nightmare with no problems, tanking with sten (using a two-handed sword). Just had wynne heal sten and dps'd her down.

Modifié par Pisai, 01 janvier 2010 - 12:28 .

[CREinstein]

I know what the story is! She drank every potion, used every elixir, had a blessing done, and had 10 pinches of ashes from the Sacred Urn!

[SinYang]

Shes still got nothing on Drizzt in BG1 (in melee - auto chunk).. he had the handcap, being out in an open area.

Its good to see no plot flag on a plot related event for once... its just a shame many other character's had plot flags. Nothing like going crazy killing everything then hitting reload..

Id have to loved to kill Lord nasher in NWN1/2, he even deserved it... but the plot flag protected him..

Would you prefer the plot flag here?

Modifié par SinYang, 01 janvier 2010 - 12:28 .

[jmp0505]

Ha! I wondered that as well - I mean, duh, yeah, it is obvious they want to trigger the hilarity of the Fort Drakon breakout. I did beat her one time, but went through every single grenade and most health packs. It was ridiculous - I swear my hands were shaking by the end. I just wanted to see what would happen afterwards. And... that was not much. Anora was all "eh, that's too bad about Ser Cauthrien" and that was the end of the story.

I have had mixed results with her later, prior to the landsmeet.  Twice she's just sneered and let us in, once she admitted Loghain had lost his marbles and I think she gave me her sword or something, and then my last full play-through, nothing I could say would allow me to avoid a fight with her.  Of course, her hit points were back to normal range and it wasn't a problem.  

Modifié par jmp0505, 01 janvier 2010 - 12:30 .

[CREinstein]

Dude... I killed Drizzt in BG1... I wtfpwned him even.

[SinYang]

In melee combat? without mass summoning? without archers? legit levels & stats?

Hes easily take by either of the above, but as i said Ser Cauthrien has extra support plus an enclosed space as a bonus.. Drizzt didnt.

[CREinstein]

Dude magic casters ftw!

[heat2008]

TheMadCat wrote...

It's not a fight you are "supposed" to win really, though it is possible to kill her. You just have to lead her back into the hallway alone and she's a cakewalk on her own. But yeah, it was intentional to be so difficult.

I wondered why that damn fight was so hard, all my people dropped in a few seconds and I was left in Anora's room thinking "See if ya'll had just followed me..." but in the end she still got spanked. I'm somewhat worried though since I'm at the last boss, I hope it's not too easy...would be a bit of a let down.

[huwie]

She's not all that ... she lacks tactical options and has no answer to offer a party that refuses to trade melee blows with her. Obvious ways to deal with her include missiles + mobility (in the bigger of the nearby rooms) or traps (along the corridor and in the room where you plan to make your stand). Since you can see the massive force waiting at the main gate before you actually meet them, it's not unreasonable that you'd plan/prepare the battleground in advance.

I'd assumed Loghain's orders would be along the lines of "No, Mr Warden, I expect you to die!" so never really considered the surrender option, will have to give it a go this time around.

But there's a great deal of pleasure to be had in slaughtering Loghain with his lieutenant's confiscated sword

Modifié par huwie, 01 janvier 2010 - 12:55 .

[ckriley]

heat2008 wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

It's not a fight you are "supposed" to win really, though it is possible to kill her. You just have to lead her back into the hallway alone and she's a cakewalk on her own. But yeah, it was intentional to be so difficult.

I wondered why that damn fight was so hard, all my people dropped in a few seconds and I was left in Anora's room thinking "See if ya'll had just followed me..." but in the end she still got spanked. I'm somewhat worried though since I'm at the last boss, I hope it's not too easy...would be a bit of a let down.

The archdemon is not nearly as hard as Cauthrien in Howe's estate.  On my last playthrough, I killed the archdemon in about 10 minutes.  Totally serious.  I only called out the mages, and then I guess I got lucky because all the named NPCs came out with them.  The mages just destroyed him.  I didn't even drink a freaking pot.

And also, luring Cauthrien into Anora's room where she's alone does not work.  She has way too many hit points and does way too much damage.  And like I said, if she gets pissed at one of your party members, she can just go one-shot them real quick while ignoring your taunts.

Apparently some people can beat her here.  Hats off to you I guess.  I'm just gonna go to the dungeon...jeez.

[skotie]

Honestly was there even a need for her to fight you at the fort? You weren't allowed to fight your way back from the tower of Ishadal (think that's how its spelled) what about that option? Why did I need Flemeth's help to save me then, the darkspawn that jumped you weren't anything extraordinary you could have easily fought your way out of the tower.

[Creature 1]

When I got arrested I thought, "Cool, we get to escape in our underwear!" But no, all of your belongings are right by the door. Alas.

[heat2008]

ckriley wrote...

heat2008 wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

It's not a fight you are "supposed" to win really, though it is possible to kill her. You just have to lead her back into the hallway alone and she's a cakewalk on her own. But yeah, it was intentional to be so difficult.

I wondered why that damn fight was so hard, all my people dropped in a few seconds and I was left in Anora's room thinking "See if ya'll had just followed me..." but in the end she still got spanked. I'm somewhat worried though since I'm at the last boss, I hope it's not too easy...would be a bit of a let down.

The archdemon is not nearly as hard as Cauthrien in Howe's estate.  On my last playthrough, I killed the archdemon in about 10 minutes.  Totally serious.  I only called out the mages, and then I guess I got lucky because all the named NPCs came out with them.  The mages just destroyed him.  I didn't even drink a freaking pot.

And also, luring Cauthrien into Anora's room where she's alone does not work.  She has way too many hit points and does way too much damage.  And like I said, if she gets pissed at one of your party members, she can just go one-shot them real quick while ignoring your taunts.

Apparently some people can beat her here.  Hats off to you I guess.  I'm just gonna go to the dungeon...jeez.

Thats no good...I may bump the difficulty up for that fight, would be kind of a buzzkill to have the last boss b a pansy.

As for Catherine, I'm a mage and my vast experience with WoW has taught me kiting will always own melee (if you're good at it) characters. She never had the chance to hit me...was kind of sad really. Cone of cold, paralyze, disorient, sleep, horror...I had too many ways to glue her ass to the spot for her to put up much of a fight 

[huwie]

I suppose in this case, beating Ser Cauthrien vs getting taken prisoner is not plot-critical. So it's reasonable that the writers gave us this choice. (Having said that, I'd have liked to have had the choice to keep fighting in the tower, as well, instead of relegating it to a cut scene)

[ToJKa1]

Creature 1 wrote...

When I got arrested I thought, "Cool, we get to escape in our underwear!" But no, all of your belongings are right by the door. Alas.

This is what i was hoping too, a desperate escape making do with what little equipment you can loot. But obviously the best place to store confiscated gear is right next to the cells