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[Beelzebubs]

Dragoons are fine, unless you're a "vanilla" Turian.

[SoulRebel_1979]

Drayce333 wrote...

They have some bull**** philosophy where that makes it so the majority of player are suppose to suffer. The Devs don't even really play this game or like it. They admitted this before a week ago.

classic example of someone talking out of their @ss. 

[Captain J. Sunshine]

Rockpopple wrote...

I'm sorry, but the fact that Derek thought that a team of level 1's with level 1 weapons should be lucky to make it to Wave 3 on Bronze either makes me want to laugh or cry.

And the team having an average of 100+ hours is great. Spectacular. Lots of regular joes have average times over 250 hours, and they say the same thing about enemies on Bronze and Silver, Geth and Collector units, being overpowered pos's.

And no, it's not because we haven't "figured it out" We know how the freaking game works. We know how to take down Scions and Praetorians. We know how to flank Dragoons. IT DOESN'T MATTER. Not when you're doing a hack on London and there are 4 Scions, two of them possessed, hitting you with bolts that would make a Prime cry out in jealousy, denying you of shields AND tossing grenades at your feet, ALL AT THE SAME TIME, while God Help You if you're using Powers, cuz those Seeker swarms would like to say hi, and so would Collector Captains and their ilk are power aiming you with assault rifles that act like assault Sniper Weapons. Mashing the Ops pack button don't help when by the time the game finally picks up on the fact that you requested the use of an Ops pack that you paid for, well you're dead anyway. But as a way to soften the blow, there goes your ops pack. OOPS. Better luck next time.

Nobody is saying they don't get the game or don't like it hard. We're saying there's a bloody place for that kind of insanity and it's called GOLD. With all the kits and weapons and items in the game, the time and frustration it takes to run a Silver match, a SILVER MATCH, is NOT worth the PITTANCE you make on Bronze and Silver, and thank you very much for the 10% Extraction bonus, but when you can't even get a Full Extraction on the lower difficulties at times, well it don't matter dick.

But hey, I'm just one guy who's not an awesome-sauce player rawkin' level 10 Ultra Rares, so what the crap do I know?

Decide who you want this game to be for. Hardest of the Hardcore or everyone. Dispense of the very laughable notion of difficulty levels alltogether if you really can't put in more of an effort other than "Just figure it out. It'll come to you one day and then you'll be rawkin Platinum like a baws!"

Just because the people who are complaining about it are still playing it doesn't mean they're still having fun.

/Rant

P.S: Speaking only for myself, I've never been a damn camper in this game, so stop suggesting I should get used to note camping. Please and thank you.

That's a really angry post.

[Bryan Johnson]

Rockpopple wrote...

I'm sorry, but the fact that Derek thought that a team of level 1's with level 1 weapons should be lucky to make it to Wave 3 on Bronze either makes me want to laugh or cry.

And the team having an average of 100+ hours is great. Spectacular. Lots of regular joes have average times over 250 hours, and they say the same thing about enemies on Bronze and Silver, Geth and Collector units, being overpowered pos's.

And no, it's not because we haven't "figured it out" We know how the freaking game works. We know how to take down Scions and Praetorians. We know how to flank Dragoons. IT DOESN'T MATTER. Not when you're doing a hack on London and there are 4 Scions, two of them possessed, hitting you with bolts that would make a Prime cry out in jealousy, denying you of shields AND tossing grenades at your feet, ALL AT THE SAME TIME, while God Help You if you're using Powers, cuz those Seeker swarms would like to say hi, and so would Collector Captains and their ilk are power aiming you with assault rifles that act like assault Sniper Weapons. Mashing the Ops pack button don't help when by the time the game finally picks up on the fact that you requested the use of an Ops pack that you paid for, well you're dead anyway. But as a way to soften the blow, there goes your ops pack. OOPS. Better luck next time.

Nobody is saying they don't get the game or don't like it hard. We're saying there's a bloody place for that kind of insanity and it's called GOLD. With all the kits and weapons and items in the game, the time and frustration it takes to run a Silver match, a SILVER MATCH, is NOT worth the PITTANCE you make on Bronze and Silver, and thank you very much for the 10% Extraction bonus, but when you can't even get a Full Extraction on the lower difficulties at times, well it don't matter dick.

But hey, I'm just one guy who's not an awesome-sauce player rawkin' level 10 Ultra Rares, so what the crap do I know?

Decide who you want this game to be for. Hardest of the Hardcore or everyone. Dispense of the very laughable notion of difficulty levels alltogether if you really can't put in more of an effort other than "Just figure it out. It'll come to you one day and then you'll be rawkin Platinum like a baws!"

Just because the people who are complaining about it are still playing it doesn't mean they're still having fun.

/Rant

P.S: Speaking only for myself, I've never been a damn camper in this game, so stop suggesting I should get used to note camping. Please and thank you.

Your post is all over the map ill try and split it up to comment.

You say "We know how to flank Dragoons. IT DOESN'T MATTER", what doesnt? I find dragoons are quite easy to deal with, roll or knock them back, light them on fire, the decreasing of them from spawning from 3 on screen at once does make a fairly large difference. There wont be 4 Scions on screen at the same time, there is 2 and 2 praetorians max at the same time. You make reference to 1 particular hack zone, on 1 map these is not "proof" that things are unbalanced.

We adjusted geth for the lower difficulties (bronze/silver), interestingly enough players do very well on silver vs collectors.

Also I am certainly not rocking level 10 ultra-rares, infact I dont use them all that often to begin with.

Modifié par Bryan Johnson, 24 octobre 2012 - 11:28 .

[llandwynwyn]

Rockpopple wrote...

I'm sorry, but the fact that Derek thought that a team of level 1's with level 1 weapons should be lucky to make it to Wave 3 on Bronze either makes me want to laugh or cry.

I barely could on the demo.

[McAllyster]

We're saying there's a bloody place for that kind of insanity and it's called GOLD.

QFT.

When people say "you should have better skills, stop complaining" I think they are forgot the difficulty setting.

Collector Silver feels like Reaper Gold before the DLC - and I think this is not right.

There are several playstyles here:
- some of us are elite players who want real challange
- some of us are casual players who want to have some fun

I'm somewhere between: sometimes I want challange sometimes I want to have some easy fun.

Before DLC Silver was my fun run. 15-20 minutes long runs, a few harder situations but nothing really serious. I almost never used any consumables on Silver runs. No missile, no medpack - I kept them to my Gold runs.

The DLC changed everything and the difficulty is increased by one level. And this is definitely not good.

[jlee375]

Dragoons can be easily managed with the right loadouts. Yes, they run straight at you without cover but that gives you more time to shoot them before they do manage to close the distance. Yes they are fast and close that distance quickly, but when they start their smash animation, they don't change direction, so you have a window in which you can dodge. Many powers can cause them to dodge/be staggered. Try weapons like the hurricane with the AP barrel or the falcon. Try coordinating with your team to take them down quickly, or bait them into running into a more favorable position.

As for the store, its a mechanic meant to encourage replaying. If we could buy exactly the gun/gear we wanted, it would take away much of the incentive to actually play on a regular basis. I have been pretty satisfied with the store, for the amount of time I have put into this game, I feel as though my manifest properly reflects that.

Also, there are weekly balance changes, regular free DLC, and huge community involvement from the team. Dragging their feet? They have to carefully consider all of the data from the entire community before making changes, not simply those recommended by the community represented here on the forums. They have to work within the current architecture of the game when considering any changes.

[Rockpopple]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Your post is all over the map ill try and split it up to comment.

1 I never said that regarding the level 1's. 

You say "We know how to flank Dragoons. IT DOESN'T MATTER", what doesnt? I find dragoons are quite easy to deal with, roll or knock them back, light them on fire, the decreasing of them from spawning from 3 on screen at once does make a fairly large difference. There wont be 4 Scions on screen at the same time, there is 2 and 2 praetorians max at the same time. You make reference to 1 particular hack zone, on 1 map these is not "proof" that things are unbalanced.

We adjusted geth for the lower difficulties (bronze/silver), interestingly enough players do very well on silver vs collectors.

Also I am certainly not rocking level 10 ultra-rares, infact I dont use them all that often to begin with.

I never said you did. Derek did, and yes, it still makes me either want to laugh or cry.

I'm saying it doesn't matter that one knows how to handle Dragoons when you've got three of them bumrushing you from 3 different directions, along with other Cerberus baddies. It's not as if the other units just stand by and wait for you to deal wiith the Dragoons. And hey, as I've said before, I actually like the Dragoons. They're a cool looking unit, but they're ridiculous with the crazy damage they do with their guns and aggressiveness on lower difficulties. But hey, I'm glad you find them easy, I'm sure that's what counts.

I obviously exaggerated about the Scions, but my point about them still stands. Them shooting bolts that stun you, deny you shields regen - I mean, really, was that REALLY necessary, on top of everything else those shots do, stagger you, and oh yes, hurt like hell, and dropping grenades at your feet? While Seeker swarms and Praetorians and Collector Captains wanna have a word? And Seeker swarms completely invalidate the purpose of playing a power user? Should power users just not run Collectors? I'm looking for a viable solution here other than "Get better".

And I'm sorry I don't have my diary of "Factions, Units, Maps and Objectives That Pissed Me Off Today, vol 3" available to me as I write this, but trust me as I say there are plenty of other examples.

Look, I'm sorry for the amount of snark dripping from my posts, but obviously this gets my goat. It's great that you're awesome-sauce at this game, but you can check out my manifest if you want. I'm stricktly an average player. I know how the game works, but I'm just okay, and I try my damned best, I don't phone it in when I play and I. Don't. Camp, nor do I cheat. I'm an honest player and I stick to my strengths, which is why my Gold games are few and far between, and yet I feel like I'm getting REAMED for it. And it didn't used to be this way. It wasn't this way before Retaliation, and I know what I'm talking about. I didn't "imagine" it just because Collectors are tough. Geth Bombers, for example, are laughable, and the GETH STILL SUCK. 

This game may be addicting, but it's not necessarily fun, at least for me, and I'll keep saying that until I think otherwise. I really don't care how awesome other players are at it.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 24 octobre 2012 - 11:48 .

[McAllyster]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

There wont be 4 Scions on screen at the same time, there is 2 and 2 praetorians max at the same time. You make reference to 1 particular hack zone, on 1 map these is not "proof" that things are unbalanced.

We adjusted geth for the lower difficulties (bronze/silver), interestingly enough players do very well on silver vs collectors.

Also I am certainly not rocking level 10 ultra-rares, infact I dont use them all that often to begin with.

I fougth 4 Scions at the same time. Maybe there were to different spot when they spawned but my asari adept couldn't do anything when they met. There was a continous fire and I couldn't toss a single warp against them. And that was on Silver. Not Gold.

Although 2 praetorians and 2 scions are also too much to a Silver game. Plus the seeker swarms killing biotic / tech powers plus the staggering pulse gun plus the never missing granade spam.... simply too much.

[DarthRevan4life]

McAllyster wrote...

We're saying there's a bloody place for that kind of insanity and it's called GOLD.

QFT.

When people say "you should have better skills, stop complaining" I think they are forgot the difficulty setting.

Collector Silver feels like Reaper Gold before the DLC - and I think this is not right.

There are several playstyles here:
- some of us are elite players who want real challange
- some of us are casual players who want to have some fun

I'm somewhere between: sometimes I want challange sometimes I want to have some easy fun.

Before DLC Silver was my fun run. 15-20 minutes long runs, a few harder situations but nothing really serious. I almost never used any consumables on Silver runs. No missile, no medpack - I kept them to my Gold runs.

The DLC changed everything and the difficulty is increased by one level. And this is definitely not good.

Isn't this just opinion however?  I normally play silver/gold and rarely use consumables on silver, dependent on team of course...and even after the DLC, I still find silver to be as simple as it was before (for me).  Arguing over difficulty is nearly impossible and everyone is different and the game for me could be easy and yet hard for someone else. 

I for one, don't find an issue with the Dragoons, you know they're going to press their attack so you should plan for it.  Saying their idiots isn't exactly true as they're playing to their strengths and they're forcing you out of cover which is what they're trying to do to begin with. 

[Omega2079]

I find the dragoons to be painfully predictable. They have a tell that lets any character get out of harms way in plenty of time.

[sareth_65536]

Punisher cork wrote...
Do you get why people are leaving now, and will drop off considerably in the next few weeks? 

this describes my reaction on such posts. Am I the only one?

[THE MAD BLASTER]

more nerfs Wtf? why the are the supply pylon and devastator mood getting nerfered so damn hard!?!?!?! seriously wtf? see this is why i personal will be done with this crap come 11-6. this kind of senseless nerfing! whats next? the stim-pack?

i swear this is utter bull crap!

[McAllyster]

DarthRevan4life wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

We're saying there's a bloody place for that kind of insanity and it's called GOLD.

QFT.

When people say "you should have better skills, stop complaining" I think they are forgot the difficulty setting.

Collector Silver feels like Reaper Gold before the DLC - and I think this is not right.

There are several playstyles here:
- some of us are elite players who want real challange
- some of us are casual players who want to have some fun

I'm somewhere between: sometimes I want challange sometimes I want to have some easy fun.

Before DLC Silver was my fun run. 15-20 minutes long runs, a few harder situations but nothing really serious. I almost never used any consumables on Silver runs. No missile, no medpack - I kept them to my Gold runs.

The DLC changed everything and the difficulty is increased by one level. And this is definitely not good.

Isn't this just opinion however?  I normally play silver/gold and rarely use consumables on silver, dependent on team of course...and even after the DLC, I still find silver to be as simple as it was before (for me).  Arguing over difficulty is nearly impossible and everyone is different and the game for me could be easy and yet hard for someone else. 

I for one, don't find an issue with the Dragoons, you know they're going to press their attack so you should plan for it.  Saying their idiots isn't exactly true as they're playing to their strengths and they're forcing you out of cover which is what they're trying to do to begin with. 

Not opinion but experience. Something happaned with the damage and damage resistances because every character of mine simply dies to often now. Before DLC I could even solo later Silver waves if my team killed. 

[Bryan Johnson]

McAllyster wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

There wont be 4 Scions on screen at the same time, there is 2 and 2 praetorians max at the same time. You make reference to 1 particular hack zone, on 1 map these is not "proof" that things are unbalanced.

We adjusted geth for the lower difficulties (bronze/silver), interestingly enough players do very well on silver vs collectors.

Also I am certainly not rocking level 10 ultra-rares, infact I dont use them all that often to begin with.

I fougth 4 Scions at the same time. Maybe there were to different spot when they spawned but my asari adept couldn't do anything when they met. There was a continous fire and I couldn't toss a single warp against them. And that was on Silver. Not Gold.

Although 2 praetorians and 2 scions are also too much to a Silver game. Plus the seeker swarms killing biotic / tech powers plus the staggering pulse gun plus the never missing granade spam.... simply too much.

You wont find 4 scions at once anywhere. 

You will find 3 in the following situations:
Wave 7 Collectors - Gold
Wave 2 Collectors - Platinum

[Omega2079]

Bryan Johnson wrote...
My manifest is open feel free to look.

Is there a quick/convenient way to lookup a manifest from a user post in the forums?

[Bryan Johnson]

Air Quotes wrote...

So wait Bryan - you soloed Platinum?

Admitely no, I am the person on the Dev team that found the glitch to get solo credit when using a rocket.

[mybudgee]

Dragoons are good, leave em alone

[DarthRevan4life]

McAllyster wrote...

DarthRevan4life wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

We're saying there's a bloody place for that kind of insanity and it's called GOLD.

QFT.

When people say "you should have better skills, stop complaining" I think they are forgot the difficulty setting.

Collector Silver feels like Reaper Gold before the DLC - and I think this is not right.

There are several playstyles here:
- some of us are elite players who want real challange
- some of us are casual players who want to have some fun

I'm somewhere between: sometimes I want challange sometimes I want to have some easy fun.

Before DLC Silver was my fun run. 15-20 minutes long runs, a few harder situations but nothing really serious. I almost never used any consumables on Silver runs. No missile, no medpack - I kept them to my Gold runs.

The DLC changed everything and the difficulty is increased by one level. And this is definitely not good.

Isn't this just opinion however?  I normally play silver/gold and rarely use consumables on silver, dependent on team of course...and even after the DLC, I still find silver to be as simple as it was before (for me).  Arguing over difficulty is nearly impossible and everyone is different and the game for me could be easy and yet hard for someone else. 

I for one, don't find an issue with the Dragoons, you know they're going to press their attack so you should plan for it.  Saying their idiots isn't exactly true as they're playing to their strengths and they're forcing you out of cover which is what they're trying to do to begin with. 

Not opinion but experience. Something happaned with the damage and damage resistances because every character of mine simply dies to often now. Before DLC I could even solo later Silver waves if my team killed. 

Maybe it's the team you're playing with?  Not disputing you or anything as I do believe you.  I just know from personal experience I haven't had these issues (xbl).  

[McAllyster]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

There wont be 4 Scions on screen at the same time, there is 2 and 2 praetorians max at the same time. You make reference to 1 particular hack zone, on 1 map these is not "proof" that things are unbalanced.

We adjusted geth for the lower difficulties (bronze/silver), interestingly enough players do very well on silver vs collectors.

Also I am certainly not rocking level 10 ultra-rares, infact I dont use them all that often to begin with.

I fougth 4 Scions at the same time. Maybe there were to different spot when they spawned but my asari adept couldn't do anything when they met. There was a continous fire and I couldn't toss a single warp against them. And that was on Silver. Not Gold.

Although 2 praetorians and 2 scions are also too much to a Silver game. Plus the seeker swarms killing biotic / tech powers plus the staggering pulse gun plus the never missing granade spam.... simply too much.

You wont find 4 scions at once anywhere. 

You will find 3 in the following situations:
Wave 7 Collectors - Gold
Wave 2 Collectors - Platinum

Than it is a strange bug. Similar happens with banshees - sometimes there are 4 of them.

Next time I try to hit printscreen button for proof but frankly this is not my first though in this kind of situation

[llandwynwyn]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

So wait Bryan - you soloed Platinum?

Admitely no, I am the person on the Dev team that found the glitch to get solo credit when using a rocket.

Why haven't you contacted someone from Bioware to remove it from your page? You're playing with fire, you'll get banned one of these days, Bryan. :innocent:

[Bryan Johnson]

llandwynwyn wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

So wait Bryan - you soloed Platinum?

Admitely no, I am the person on the Dev team that found the glitch to get solo credit when using a rocket.

Why haven't you contacted someone from Bioware to remove it from your page? You're playing with fire, you'll get banned one of these days, Bryan. :innocent:

Altering live player data is always dangerous, to change my account would take away time that would be better spent on something else. My account is not worth derailing someone else who is working on something that impacts a lot of players.

[Raging Nug]

Bryan Johnson wrote...
Altering live player data is always dangerous, to change my account would take away time that would be better spent on something else. My account is not worth derailing someone else who is working on something that impacts a lot of players.

And let's be honest, you could Solo it if you wanted to ;D