Have any of you possibly realized that maybe people use him because he has jetpacks? There is also the issue of HS being apparently useless on the Havoc. He's a rare character that can make a maxed rare gun destroy a Gold Atlas in one clip......Well I don't see the problem.
I would imagine it would go like this(Prove me wrong if I am)
-TGI uses TC
-TGI uses Stimpack
-TGI uses Overload
-TGI unloads Harrier X clip into Atlas body
-Atlas dies
Am I right?
It's time to face it - the Turian Ghost is absurdly OP.
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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 06:22
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xcaliz0rz wrote...
1. That proves the point of this character being overpowered even more so if 3 random people you met were all playing the same character.
2. That pertains to nothing. Learn better metaphors kid.
3. I have literally never complained about a character being broken until this abomination came out. So no, there won't be a never ending whinefest because no other character will have high dps, invisibility, and immortality at the same time. Enjoy relying on one broken class because you don't have the skill or will to try different builds. That is until he is nerfed of course.
1. Actually one of them was a Human. Guess counting isn't one of your strong suits.
2. By your own admission this class offers untold power. Apparently not enough power because it still doesn't turn the average Joe in to Superman.
3. You know I make videos but still assume all I do is rock Infiltrators. The video you reference isn't even Infiltrator gameplay. Maybe I just don't have the skill to do anything right =[. Back to the drawing board I suppose.
Good luck on your crusade.
1. False.
2. Yes it does, i and many average joes can complete gold with no issue now.
3. Of course you're going to use different characters in your vids. Who the hell wants to see someone using the same character over and over again? But you wouldn't sit here and defend a obviously broken class if you didn't play it at least above moderately.
It has already been confirmed it's getting nerfed for next week's balance changes no thanks to me. Bioware actually looked into it before i even start saying anything about it.
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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 06:24
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I *honestly* don't get wanting to make characters weaker--for whatever reason(s)! Lets face it--many of us want to complete the new challenges, complete missions successfully, and maximise our manifests, don't we?
If so, why on earth all the (often) heated calls for nerfing? The game has so many characters now that vary in playability (i.e., some are more difficult to play successfully than others). Isn't this diversity balance enough?
If so, why on earth all the (often) heated calls for nerfing? The game has so many characters now that vary in playability (i.e., some are more difficult to play successfully than others). Isn't this diversity balance enough?
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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 06:25
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Congrats you whiney little tossers have got another great, balanced and fun character nerfed.Optimisticalman wrote...
xcaliz0rz wrote...
1. That proves the point of this character being overpowered even more so if 3 random people you met were all playing the same character.
2. That pertains to nothing. Learn better metaphors kid.
3. I have literally never complained about a character being broken until this abomination came out. So no, there won't be a never ending whinefest because no other character will have high dps, invisibility, and immortality at the same time. Enjoy relying on one broken class because you don't have the skill or will to try different builds. That is until he is nerfed of course.
1. Actually one of them was a Human. Guess counting isn't one of your strong suits.
2. By your own admission this class offers untold power. Apparently not enough power because it still doesn't turn the average Joe in to Superman.
3. You know I make videos but still assume all I do is rock Infiltrators. The video you reference isn't even Infiltrator gameplay. Maybe I just don't have the skill to do anything right =[. Back to the drawing board I suppose.
Good luck on your crusade.
1. False.
2. Yes it does, i and many average joes can complete gold with no issue now.
3. Of course you're going to use different characters in your vids. Who the hell wants to see someone using the same character over and over again? But you wouldn't sit here and defend a obviously broken class if you didn't play it at least above moderately.
It has already been confirmed it's getting nerfed for next week's balance changes no thanks to me. Bioware actually looked into before i even start saying anything about it.
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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 06:26
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Tommy 9un wrote...
Optimisticalman wrote...
Tommy 9un wrote...
If he is so over powered why don't you butt hurt destroyer fans jump on the ghost and use the ****nout of him instead of being on here crying.
Which is exactly what we're doing and going to do. And guess what? You turian ghosts kids won't have your crutches anymore either. Then you will be butthurt and i will be there to laugh. Trust me, i will.
We won't because when the ghost gets nerfed you'll just start moaning about the next over powered character. Tell you what start moaning about the new Valkyrie you may as well be the first to start.
Also kindly don't edit my posts when you quote them.
I edited nothing and if i wanted to i would. And yes you will **** and moan as you won't have anything to rely on. Your skill? What skill...you defend a broken character while laughing at the nerf of a really good one. So there won't be any other character that i would even care to complain about afterwards, my job will be done.
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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 06:27
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Tommy 9un wrote...
Optimisticalman wrote...
xcaliz0rz wrote...
1. That proves the point of this character being overpowered even more so if 3 random people you met were all playing the same character.
2. That pertains to nothing. Learn better metaphors kid.
3. I have literally never complained about a character being broken until this abomination came out. So no, there won't be a never ending whinefest because no other character will have high dps, invisibility, and immortality at the same time. Enjoy relying on one broken class because you don't have the skill or will to try different builds. That is until he is nerfed of course.
1. Actually one of them was a Human. Guess counting isn't one of your strong suits.
2. By your own admission this class offers untold power. Apparently not enough power because it still doesn't turn the average Joe in to Superman.
3. You know I make videos but still assume all I do is rock Infiltrators. The video you reference isn't even Infiltrator gameplay. Maybe I just don't have the skill to do anything right =[. Back to the drawing board I suppose.
Good luck on your crusade.
1. False.
2. Yes it does, i and many average joes can complete gold with no issue now.
3. Of course you're going to use different characters in your vids. Who the hell wants to see someone using the same character over and over again? But you wouldn't sit here and defend a obviously broken class if you didn't play it at least above moderately.
It has already been confirmed it's getting nerfed for next week's balance changes no thanks to me. Bioware actually looked into before i even start saying anything about it.
Congrats, you whiney little tossets have got another great, balanced and fun character nerfed.
Yes and the demolisher or destroyer weren't fun pre-nerf right?
Just desserts are just.
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These are weak arguments.death_for_sale wrote...
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Leave the Ghost & other infiltrators alone. Your claim that the Ghost is OP does not make sense.
1: Not everyone has Harrier X.
2: Not everyone has / uses AP ammo.
3: Not everyone uses Harrier on the Ghost. I use the Saber or Revenant. Harrier chews up ammo
4: He is a Armiger Turian Infiltrator. The best Turian infiltrator. So he should perform like he is one
5: Most enemies now stagger & stun lock you. Scion, Scion's Grenade, Geth melee, Geth Bomber Grenade, Geth Hunter, Cannibal & Marauder melee, Preatorian melee, Guardian melee, Phantom sword slashes, Banshee hand swipe, Geth Prime's Drone, Dragoon smash. Deploying stim pack when you have one of these is not easy.
6: He is not overpowered, he is just the easiest infiltrator to play well. How can you support nerfing a class that is easy to use? The learning curve is not high.
7: He is the only infiltrator that works with AR very well. No other infiltrator can. Makes him unique.
8 : If you want both stim pack and damage in one gear you can only carry max up to 5 stim packs with you.
9: Most people I see play with Ghost, me included, use Stim packs for boss fights. Stim Pack is mainly for boss killing & surviving. For other enemies he works just like a Salarian Infiltrator except he has overload.
1. Not to rain on your parade or anything, but you don't have to have the Harrier to own with him.
2. AP ammo is not required to make him own face.
3. see 1.
4. Lore, yes we dismissed that with the Volus.
5. Most agile turian and has TC, avoid this situation.
6. He is the easiest because he is OP.
7. No excuse
8. WRONG. You can easily max both damage and Stimpacks by taking fewer points in your CC skill and only speccing to 4 in Fitness. You don't need more in fitness due to unlimited Stims. Add grenade+ gear also....
9. What is your point? Yes you use your damage boost and shield healing for boss fights, how does this prevent you from using it at any other time as well?
1.) You just proved his point by restating it......
2.) Moot point here
3.)Again moot point here
4.)Another moot point
5.)TC does not protect you from this problem; the powers doesn't always make enemies ignore you either.
6.) He is not the easiest because he is overpowered. He is the easiest because he doesn't require the same gameplay style some of the other infiltrators do.
7.)Provide a better counterargument here; it's weak.
8.)You'll still die in certain situations regardless; a TGI can be killed.
9.)Using the stimpack in any given situations is not always a wise move. It's used for the damage boost to kill mobs or bosses. It's also used when you're brought to shieldgate for more survivability. A grenade on platinum will still kill you I think.
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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 06:30
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Really it's just the Harrier + TGI, but I'd rather not see an entire character or weapon nerfed because of one specific setup.
Either way if it does get nerfed, I just hope they hit only the Turian Ghost version. It would be a shame for another character to take a hit they don't deserve just because another character is too good with one weapon.
Either way if it does get nerfed, I just hope they hit only the Turian Ghost version. It would be a shame for another character to take a hit they don't deserve just because another character is too good with one weapon.
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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 06:30
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love him with my sabre X, makes a good impression, seems a lil strong, but not OP
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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 06:33
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Andreadg89 wrote...
Nerf all things and nobody will play this game anymore. Even I am getting tired to see good kits ruined because people complain and complain and complain. And please, tell me how you want it nerfed? Do you want TC nerfed again so every infiltrator become total trash? Tell us your ideas instead of creating "nerf this, nerf that, it's OP" threads; tell us something useful please at least.
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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 06:35
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Optimisticalman wrote...
Tommy 9un wrote...
Optimisticalman wrote...
Tommy 9un wrote...
If he is so over powered why don't you butt hurt destroyer fans jump on the ghost and use the ****nout of him instead of being on here crying.
Which is exactly what we're doing and going to do. And guess what? You turian ghosts kids won't have your crutches anymore either. Then you will be butthurt and i will be there to laugh. Trust me, i will.
We won't because when the ghost gets nerfed you'll just start moaning about the next over powered character. Tell you what start moaning about the new Valkyrie you may as well be the first to start.
Also kindly don't edit my posts when you quote them.
I edited nothing and if i wanted to i would. And yes you will **** and moan as you won't have anything to rely on. Your skill? What skill...you defend a broken character while laughing at the nerf of a really good one. So there won't be any other character that i would even care to complain about afterwards, my job will be done.
Yes you did edit me but whatever. So you whole answear to having your favourite character nerfed is to get eveyone else's nerfed? Great thinking. This is exactly what I thought it was, waghh my destroyer got changed now I want everything else changed. Why don't you ask some of the angry people from the great infiltrator nerf how they feel now? I was one, I went mental because my infiltrators had been messed with and now I feel ashamed because I honestly can't fault the changes and in a months time YOU will be in the same position and won't remember why you kick up such a stink over your beloved destroyer. I'm done with this thread and I'm done with you and your petty argument.
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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 06:36
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BlackDahlia424 wrote...
First off, I am almost NEVER in favor of player-side nerfs.
That being said, all you ever see in Gold matches anymore is Turian Ghosts with Harriers, and a ton of them have a Harrier X. Playing as any other class/setup is literally resigning yourself to be an assist machine while they kill Gold Banshees in under 5 seconds. The rate at which they kill things is completely unmatched. It makes the pre-nerf Pirahna GI look weak in comparison. And unlike the GI, it isn't squishy with a passive that takes a huge chunk of shields. In fact, it has a power that instantly regens their shields and gives them a massive shield bonus as well.
Well, so i saw post like this... i built a Ghost Turian to go a check this OP class...
Is quite fun to play... but i have to desagree i didnt get that OP feeling.
*shrugs*
Have you ever thought may be that OP Ghost Turian had lvl IV gear at his setup? That makes a HUGE difference but that is available for all clases.
Just my thoughts.
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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 06:39
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These are weak arguments.death_for_sale wrote...
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Leave the Ghost & other infiltrators alone. Your claim that the Ghost is OP does not make sense.
1: Not everyone has Harrier X.
2: Not everyone has / uses AP ammo.
3: Not everyone uses Harrier on the Ghost. I use the Saber or Revenant. Harrier chews up ammo
4: He is a Armiger Turian Infiltrator. The best Turian infiltrator. So he should perform like he is one
5: Most enemies now stagger & stun lock you. Scion, Scion's Grenade, Geth melee, Geth Bomber Grenade, Geth Hunter, Cannibal & Marauder melee, Preatorian melee, Guardian melee, Phantom sword slashes, Banshee hand swipe, Geth Prime's Drone, Dragoon smash. Deploying stim pack when you have one of these is not easy.
6: He is not overpowered, he is just the easiest infiltrator to play well. How can you support nerfing a class that is easy to use? The learning curve is not high.
7: He is the only infiltrator that works with AR very well. No other infiltrator can. Makes him unique.
8 : If you want both stim pack and damage in one gear you can only carry max up to 5 stim packs with you.
9: Most people I see play with Ghost, me included, use Stim packs for boss fights. Stim Pack is mainly for boss killing & surviving. For other enemies he works just like a Salarian Infiltrator except he has overload.
1. Not to rain on your parade or anything, but you don't have to have the Harrier to own with him.
2. AP ammo is not required to make him own face.
3. see 1.
4. Lore, yes we dismissed that with the Volus.
5. Most agile turian and has TC, avoid this situation.
6. He is the easiest because he is OP.
7. No excuse
8. WRONG. You can easily max both damage and Stimpacks by taking fewer points in your CC skill and only speccing to 4 in Fitness. You don't need more in fitness due to unlimited Stims. Add grenade+ gear also....
9. What is your point? Yes you use your damage boost and shield healing for boss fights, how does this prevent you from using it at any other time as well?
1.) You just proved his point by restating it......
2.) Moot point here
3.)Again moot point here
4.)Another moot point
5.)TC does not protect you from this problem; the powers doesn't always make enemies ignore you either.
6.) He is not the easiest because he is overpowered. He is the easiest because he doesn't require the same gameplay style some of the other infiltrators do.
7.)Provide a better counterargument here; it's weak.
8.)You'll still die in certain situations regardless; a TGI can be killed.
9.)Using the stimpack in any given situations is not always a wise move. It's used for the damage boost to kill mobs or bosses. It's also used when you're brought to shieldgate for more survivability. A grenade on platinum will still kill you I think.
They are all valid, no matter how much you would like to deny them. I can use an Argus instead of the Harrier, still owns.
As far as stunlock, if you are unskilled enough to get caught in it all the time and not dodge for cover or something else, no power is going to save you.
He is the easiest because you can refresh shieldgate and get bonus shields AT WILL, then simply refill ammo.
His orginal argument for uniqueness is weak. I am not saying remove AR bonuses from him, but that he is overpowered with stims.
Of course he can be killed, so can a Kroguard if you botch something.
I didn't say it was optimum to use the stims whenever, but the option is there. Get caught in a corner and taking a ton of damage, stim. Still taking damage as you run away, stim. Hit ammo box, repeat.
The simplest way to fix the issue would be to put a cooldown on how often he can use stims or remove the grenade+ gear from affecting the total number.
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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 06:44
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Optimisticalman wrote...
xcaliz0rz wrote...
1. That proves the point of this character being overpowered even more so if 3 random people you met were all playing the same character.
2. That pertains to nothing. Learn better metaphors kid.
3. I have literally never complained about a character being broken until this abomination came out. So no, there won't be a never ending whinefest because no other character will have high dps, invisibility, and immortality at the same time. Enjoy relying on one broken class because you don't have the skill or will to try different builds. That is until he is nerfed of course.
1. Actually one of them was a Human. Guess counting isn't one of your strong suits.
2. By your own admission this class offers untold power. Apparently not enough power because it still doesn't turn the average Joe in to Superman.
3. You know I make videos but still assume all I do is rock Infiltrators. The video you reference isn't even Infiltrator gameplay. Maybe I just don't have the skill to do anything right =[. Back to the drawing board I suppose.
Good luck on your crusade.
1. False.
2. Yes it does, i and many average joes can complete gold with no issue now.
3. Of course you're going to use different characters in your vids. Who the hell wants to see someone using the same character over and over again? But you wouldn't sit here and defend a obviously broken class if you didn't play it at least above moderately.
It has already been confirmed it's getting nerfed for next week's balance changes no thanks to me. Bioware actually looked into it before i even start saying anything about it.
I've seen bad ghosts fail on gold. You're giving way too much credit to the kit's ability to carry someone.
Btw, a character being popular =/= a character being overpowered.
A character being overpowered can lead to a character being popular.
It's pretty much the 'square can be a rectangle, but a rectangle can't be a square' deal.
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Stop making generalized statements. I already told you I hated Turians. I've seen at least three other people on this forum who refused to use anything other than human kits. Please, try to use logical arguments in your journy to get this kit nerfed for whatever reason you may have.Optimisticalman wrote...
Tankcommander wrote...
Stimpacks do make soloing easy mode....but I think everyone just plays him cause he is stinking fun. I score better with other classes, but die never with him because stimpacks are boss
Everyone plays with him because he's the best character in the game.
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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 06:45
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So, now that a TGI nerf has been established, what character is BSN going to ruin next?
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death_for_sale wrote...
He is the easiest because you can refresh shieldgate and get bonus shields AT WILL, then simply refill ammo.
Actually, you can't refresh your shield gate at will.
It has a cooldown and even if you use a stimpack after hitting shield gate enemies can shoot through to your hp while it's still on cooldown.
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BlackDahlia424 wrote...
First off, I am almost NEVER in favor of player-side nerfs.
That being said, all you ever see in Gold matches anymore is Turian Ghosts with Harriers, and a ton of them have a Harrier X. Playing as any other class/setup is literally resigning yourself to be an assist machine while they kill Gold Banshees in under 5 seconds. The rate at which they kill things is completely unmatched. It makes the pre-nerf Pirahna GI look weak in comparison. And unlike the GI, it isn't squishy with a passive that takes a huge chunk of shields. In fact, it has a power that instantly regens their shields and gives them a massive shield bonus as well.
1st - you play on xBox.
2nd - soon you will get your own nerfbox forum section.
3rd - what is actually your problem with the Turian Ghost on xBox?
4th - do not call for nerfs and buffs while playing on xBox or yBox, when playing ME3 MP on PC you are welcome to make suggestions for nerfs or buffs.
5th - to be seen...
6th - TGI and even worse THS are solalalu characters, far away from owerpowered, they "look" cool, had a good concept for powers+movement, thats all far away from op.
7th - GI, Fury, Drell´s and the new AVS, if you call one of these op, I could say well they "can" have a nice damage output..
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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 06:54
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Jiovanie- wrote...
Stop making generalized statements. I already told you I hated Turians. I've seen at least three other people on this forum who refused to use anything other than human kits. Please, try to use logical arguments in your journy to get this kit nerfed for whatever reason you may have.Optimisticalman wrote...
Tankcommander wrote...
Stimpacks do make soloing easy mode....but I think everyone just plays him cause he is stinking fun. I score better with other classes, but die never with him because stimpacks are boss
Everyone plays with him because he's the best character in the game.
His reasoning is because the kit makes him lazy and complacent. The kit also urges him not to fix that about his playing.
Doesn't matter much to me if the kit gets nerfed in some way (hell, I used to be a sniping fiend, and got over the cloak nerfs pretty damn fast. No I never played a GI to this day.). I've even suggested stimpacks may be too strong when specced for more durability. What bugs me is his reason for why it should. It's not logical, yet he stands by it.
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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 06:57
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The first recorded Collector Platinum Solo was done with a Ghost. That does say something.
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Are you trolling, or are you serious? Do you even know how to provide valid arguments?Optimisticalman wrote...
ifyoureallyknew wrote...
Optimisticalman wrote...
ifyoureallyknew wrote...
Optimisticalman wrote...
Big difference: Volus have a cooldown. Not to mention they're meant for support.....A turian ghost can be invincible by himself and killed as much by himself.
Volus can significantly lower their cooldown speed with equipments packs, and by carrying lighter weapons. I played as a Volus, and just kept hitting the shield regen button over and over....
The Turian Ghost is limited in the fact that he has to run back for stim packs each time he runs out. Most enemies these days take down your shield with one hit anyway, so really, how long can a stim pack last?
Ammo boxes and thermal packs + grenade capacity give him plenty (you want numbers: 35 disregarding ammo boxes per match and lets not forget most ammo crates give you two grenades now) and saying otherwise shows denial. And it can last 9 seconds each flipping time you use it.
Volus don't have 4000 shields when they use shield boost. They also can't reach up to 160%+ weapon damage. If a volus gets hit by too many things he dies and there is no defense for shield boost you can throw out to tell me different.
You're seriously going to have to come with a better arguement because disproving people all day is tiresome.
I guess if you play the game all the time, you probably get that many stim packs...but my guess is most people don't. I currently have two (yeah, I'm awesome like that). Also, EVERY time I run back for ammo, the thing is empty, and I have to run across the map to the next ammo box, fighting enemies every step of the way...so yeah. If you play often enough to have 35 stim packs, then you're just an overpowered player, and you need to be nerfed.
Everybody that's anybody that has been playing this multiplayer from start to now (which most people have) will have at least a cerberus harrier one and grenade capacity 5 is pretty much guaranteed. So no, that arguement doesn't fit well either.
If you don't i'm sorry, this nerf will probably ruin your experience with this character and my deepest apologies. But it has been ruining my experience with the mutiplayer for a while. And i'm pretty sure people that have been playing for a while are pretty dumbed down by this guy as well.
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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 07:02
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The sad thing is - like all OP characters- he bores me and I probably will only play him for real when he gets a nerf.
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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 07:04
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8th - I don´t care if the TGI gets buffed, removed or nerfed.
9th - OP read also what "Operator m1" said above, it´s absolutely valid and explains it best.
8th - I don´t care if the TGI gets buffed, removed or nerfed.
9th - OP read also what "Operator m1" said above, it´s absolutely valid and explains it best.
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Turian ghost is OP with Harrier X, AP ammo IV, Assault rifle amp III, warfighter package 5 and cyclonic modulator IV.
Because a lot of people (actually tons of them according to you) can play reliably with that setup EVERY SINGLE MATCH.
EDIT: no, I'm not using him on regular basis, in fact even if I don't agree that is OP I find his play pattern quite boring.
Because a lot of people (actually tons of them according to you) can play reliably with that setup EVERY SINGLE MATCH.
EDIT: no, I'm not using him on regular basis, in fact even if I don't agree that is OP I find his play pattern quite boring.
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