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[Aveus]

Operator m1 wrote...

Aveus wrote...

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

He's not, it's mostly idiots exploiting bugs with the guy.

Which isn't his fault.

No it isn't, when you can kill a gold Atlas with a single clip of a Harrier whilst having more survivability than pretty much any class in the game something is off....

That's not happening outside of maybe a harrier x, full consumables, and a team with every damage increasing debuff. That would also likely mean losing 2k off of defensive shields, so fire from a phantom, and a dragoon would leave you mashing stimpacks anyway.

It's perfectly possible with just 1 debuff and I run my Ghost with full damage stim and never have I needed to mash them since Phantoms are a joke with a Harrier and stunning a Dragoon with overload would sort them out.

[Joltaire]

 No.

[ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame]

Distilled Poison wrote...

How to get kills with a Harrier Ghost in the lobby:

Step one- Don't stand near an ammo box.

That's it.

Nerf the Ghost and we lose all the other assault rifles and everyone just goes back to Harrier/PPR Destroyer.

Too bad the needlessly nerfed the Destroyer

[rymajn3]

Enjoy it while you can.

[Rodrrigoww]

Yeah let''s nerf classes and weapons that in the hands of a great minority can be marginally better than others , like many said it here , i can't solo silver with him and guess what , you are as important as me if not less , cause people like me represent the majority , also I've spent probably 400$ with this game , cause i can and cause i wanna have fun , take that out and i quit the game , so the ten of you that probably don't even spend a dime in this game can enjoy it in the masochist way you want.

[Zero132132]

Haha. I see them a fair amount in gold, but it isn't some horrible epidemic where nothing else is on ever. When they do show up, it's usually the typical useless PUGs, and I never find myself out of stuff to kill. It might be OP, because I feel guilty if I play it in gold, and like the GI, will mostly only take it to Platinum now, but it isn't nearly as game-breaking as the Geth Infiltrator.

[HeroicMass]

Sorry about killing everything in that game.

[RequiemPrime]

stayposi1990 wrote...

Even if it is "overpowered..." I don't see a huge issue.

Is every single lobby you go into filled with all 3 other players using Ghosts and Harriers?

I have the Ghost but haven't touched it.

There should be buffs, buffs and more buffs to the chars/weapons that have long been outclassed, not nerfs. Nerfs are just depressing as all f***.

No...but neither is the Destroyer or Demolsher seen with that same frequency either.

And I haven't used my Destroyer for a while myself, until I yesterday and ealier today when I was wrapping up the Challenge for Earth Mastery (So glad I was able to finish his before this "balance" was put into effect).

And I agree about the buffs.  I'm still waiting for them to do something with the Geth Pulse Rifle, the saddest of the Rare guns.  But with the way things go, they will end up bringing the Harrier down to it's level before the try to enchance it.

Modifié par Angelwave, 25 octobre 2012 - 12:26 .

[Seifer006]

mybudgee wrote...

No he isn't

[HydroFlame2000]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

First off, I am almost NEVER in favor of player-side nerfs.

That being said, all you ever see in Gold matches anymore is Turian Ghosts with Harriers, and a ton of them have a Harrier X. Playing as any other class/setup is literally resigning yourself to be an assist machine while they kill Gold Banshees in under 5 seconds. The rate at which they kill things is completely unmatched. It makes the pre-nerf Pirahna GI look weak in comparison. And unlike the GI, it isn't squishy with a passive that takes a huge chunk of shields. In fact, it has a power that instantly regens their shields and gives them a massive shield bonus as well.

look at this oh do shut up.

[BlackDahlia424]

heroicmass wrote...

Sorry about killing everything in that game.

Yes, you were the guy I played with. I have seen at least 5 other games in the past 2 days with this build. I also have a Harrier X - I have seen what it does with a TGI. I literally feel like I'm cheating using it.

Modifié par BlackDahlia424, 25 octobre 2012 - 12:26 .

[DarkerCompanion]

Can someone explain the build that makes this class so good, at least as far as OP is claiming?

My friends said the class was dull and one-dimensional, and didn't seem impressed, but if its that good, I'll give it a shot.

[Kalas Magnus]

Bon3zz1001 wrote...

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

He's not, it's mostly idiots exploiting bugs with the guy.

Which isn't his fault.

It's pretty hard to exploit those bugs that don't exist. 

this:?

[HeroicMass]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

heroicmass wrote...

Sorry about killing everything in that game.

Yes, you were the guy I played with. I have seen at least 5 other games in the past 2 days with this build. I also have a Harrier X - I have seen what it does. I literally feel like I'm cheating using it.

A level X UR with consumables in the hands of a capable player will make gold look easy. I have played way too much of this game and have been speed running for months.  The ability to know spawn points and rush them is very helpful too.  Sorry if the game pissed you off.

[Kuriiiiiii]

 There's much better classes...One of them is a Batarian, another is a krogan. figure it out and easily outscore Ghosts.

[JaimasOfRaxis]

Someone let DNC Protoman know he's being out-whined.

[Operator m1]

heroicmass wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

heroicmass wrote...

Sorry about killing everything in that game.

Yes, you were the guy I played with. I have seen at least 5 other games in the past 2 days with this build. I also have a Harrier X - I have seen what it does. I literally feel like I'm cheating using it.

A level X UR with consumables in the hands of a capable player will make gold look easy. I have played way too much of this game and have been speed running for months.  The ability to know spawn points and rush them is very helpful too.  Sorry if the game pissed you off.

Clearly skill and experience need to be nerfed in that case.

[MajorStupidity]

I have played in gold games as a volus engineer with an acolyte and beaten  turian ghosts w/ harriers. Turian ghost is not as bad as GI still is. Even after all the hate for the destroyer nerf we still see threads to nerf characters with only their absurd hyperboles as proof of OPness.

I don't see that they are OP and your only proof is your experience and broad assumptions about the playerbase so I say no.

P.S. post-nerf GI can still do more damage than the Ghost by a longshot, but are more squishy for it.

Modifié par MajorStupidity, 25 octobre 2012 - 12:37 .

[Malanek]

kryhm3s wrote...
Its not so much the damage he can output, Its that you can have shields at 4,000 for a good 45 seconds

It's the combination of the two.

[BlackDahlia424]

heroicmass wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

heroicmass wrote...

Sorry about killing everything in that game.

Yes, you were the guy I played with. I have seen at least 5 other games in the past 2 days with this build. I also have a Harrier X - I have seen what it does. I literally feel like I'm cheating using it.

A level X UR with consumables in the hands of a capable player will make gold look easy. I have played way too much of this game and have been speed running for months.  The ability to know spawn points and rush them is very helpful too.  Sorry if the game pissed you off.

It wasn't the 1 game. It's been almost every gold game I've played the last few days. I feel like if I don't play as the TGI, I can't kill anything fast enough to keep up with the nearly 4,000 spike DPS. It's annoying because the game is fun when I get to kill stuff - assists leave you without the satisfaction of killing stuff. I feel I can't play as a biotic class because they simply kill things slower. And if I'm playing with these absurd DPS classes, every enemy I try to combo gets killed before I can finish them. An entire game of killing nothing is frustrating.

Modifié par BlackDahlia424, 25 octobre 2012 - 12:37 .

[Kalas Magnus]

Kuriiiiiii wrote...

 There's much better classes...One of them is a Batarian, another is a krogan. figure it out and easily outscore Ghosts.

shhh 

I dont want to see him get nerfed.

Modifié par Kalas321, 25 octobre 2012 - 12:52 .

[Epsilon42]

AwesomeButterz wrote...

 No.

Awesome meme, man.

[Cyonan]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

Here are the numbers.

With a Harrier X with EB and AP:
Base 130 damage
+25% from EB
+80% TC damage
+20% AR bonus from TC
+30% from passives
+27.5% from damage-specced stimulant pack
+12% from Warfighter
+30% from AR amp III

Each Harrier shot does 421.85 damage. That means it has a spike DPS of 3866.96 with perfect long-ranged accuracy and no recoil. Even taking away the 2 second period of +80% TC damage, it's DPS is still absurd. Explain how this is balanced.

This isn't strictly speaking true. Tactical Cloak's evolution 6 is multiplicative which I believe it was found that the AR one is as well. So you'd get

(129.5 * 1.2) * 3.045 = 473.19 damage per shot. While Tactical Cloak is still up you're doing 4337.60 DPS which while high is not actually the highest in the game.

My Turian Soldier can actually spike up to 3694.80 with the Harrier, and even higher with certain shotguns(which all have pinpoint spread with Marksman up). With the Piranha he can spike to 4799.48 DPS. AT-12 breaks 10k but has an incredibly small clip size.

[Andreadg89]

The fact is that behind the character maybe there's a capable player. Lots of people tend to forget that and claims for nerfs as soon as they are outscored.

[Artemillion]

If something need to be nerfed, it's Harrier, not a character.