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[Operator m1]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

heroicmass wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

heroicmass wrote...

Sorry about killing everything in that game.

Yes, you were the guy I played with. I have seen at least 5 other games in the past 2 days with this build. I also have a Harrier X - I have seen what it does. I literally feel like I'm cheating using it.

A level X UR with consumables in the hands of a capable player will make gold look easy. I have played way too much of this game and have been speed running for months.  The ability to know spawn points and rush them is very helpful too.  Sorry if the game pissed you off.

It wasn't the 1 game. It's been almost every gold game I've played the last few days. I feel like if I don't play as the TGI, I can't kill anything fast enough to keep up with the nearly 4,000 spike DPS. It's annoying because the game is fun when I get to kill stuff - assists leave you without the satisfaction of killing stuff. I feel I can't play as a biotic class because they simply kill things slower. And if I'm playing with these absurd DPS classes, every enemy I try to combo gets killed before I can finish them. An entire game of killing nothing is frustrating.

Thats more of a biotic vs gun users issue in general. Mooks die to bullets faster than prime->explosion. It doesn't take a TGI to kill something before you do. Snipers still can, and grenade spam still can to name two.

Though AF->throw/warp makes biotic combat feel less turn-based.

Modifié par Operator m1, 25 octobre 2012 - 12:43 .

[MajorStupidity]

seems that some of your hate is directed at the harrier, why not nerf the harrier then. I play my Ghost with the saber/revenant/collector rifle and it is not OP. Why should my playstyle be hurt because the class is good in combination with a specific gun.

I am all for balance but this thread comes across as you whining that you can't keep up scorewise with the ghosts playing right now. I would let the new character smell wear off before we attempt to nerf him into oblivion

[legion 21]

NO!

[Hellfire257]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...
With a Harrier X 

Really? Really!? 

[legion 21]

AwesomeButterz wrote...

 No.

[Bon3zz1001]

Artemillion wrote...

If something need to be nerfed, it's Harrier, not a character.

Because the logical thing to do is nerf one of the few decent ARs in the game instead of buffing the others. 

[N1GHTHeR0]

I don't see how people fail to understand this. Although, I don't really approve of nerfing, it's sadly the truth. Also the Harrier is fine as it is, great damage but a low-clip. Nerfing a weapon because it's good on a class is silly. But, more than likely another fun class will soon join the peanut gallery.

[Operator m1]

Bon3zz1001 wrote...

Artemillion wrote...

If something need to be nerfed, it's Harrier, not a character.

Because the logical thing to do is nerf one of the few decent ARs in the game instead of buffing the others. 

Pretty much this. People use the harrier because it doesn't suck like the majority of the AR category; not because it's OP.

[MajorStupidity]

Bon3zz1001 wrote...

Artemillion wrote...

If something need to be nerfed, it's Harrier, not a character.

Because the logical thing to do is nerf one of the few decent ARs in the game instead of buffing the others. 

I don't think he is advocating a nerf on the harrier, but rather he is pointing out that before you nerf the ghost you might as well look at the harrier (which is the weapon the OP is complaining about)

neither needs to be nerfed.

[Relix28]

heroicmass wrote...

Sorry about killing everything in that game.

Yeah, me too.

omg heroic what have we done? lol

[Rodrrigoww]

Bon3zz1001 wrote...

Artemillion wrote...

If something need to be nerfed, it's Harrier, not a character.

Because the logical thing to do is nerf one of the few decent ARs in the game instead of buffing the others. 

QFT , there's not a single AR I'd use expect maybe for a typhoon X which i don't have and probably never will.But hey let's render the only decent of them useless.

[skiadopsendow]

lol i don't care, i play a lot of different characters, and there's a lot of stuff to chose from that i don't mind at all

[AsheraII]

Turian Ghost will probably get nerfed, even though he's actually not OP at all. He's just VERY easy to play near his optimal output. But other characters can outperform him. They just need a lot more skill to reach and surpass his performance. No need to reload-cancel or combine all skills in quick succession. It's just incinary ammo->cloak-overload->stimpack->shoot till your recharge is gone->overload again->keep shooting stuff.
most of your time is spent simply shooting and keeping your natively stabilized crosshair on the target. So you spend most of your time keeping your firebutton pressed.

If you take for example a Geth Infiltrator, then you'll find a very similar rotation, but with the necessity to reload every other shot, reload-cancel every reload, aim again. So that's a few more things to do, instead of just keeping a button pressed for constant firing. As a result, the potential of the GI is higher than that of the TG, but it's more labourous and there's a bigger chance to mess up or miss a beat.

[Asebstos]

Only thing I can see taking a hit is the stimpack and, possibly, the duration of the AR boost.

I wouldn't say he's "absurdly OP" at all.

[stayposi1990]

Angelwave wrote...

stayposi1990 wrote...

Even if it is "overpowered..." I don't see a huge issue.

Is every single lobby you go into filled with all 3 other players using Ghosts and Harriers?

I have the Ghost but haven't touched it.

There should be buffs, buffs and more buffs to the chars/weapons that have long been outclassed, not nerfs. Nerfs are just depressing as all f***.

No...but neither is the Destroyer or Demolsher seen with that same frequency either.

And I haven't used my Destroyer for a while myself, until I yesterday and ealier today when I was wrapping up the Challenge for Earth Mastery (So glad I was able to finish his before this "balance" was put into effect).

And I agree about the buffs.  I'm still waiting for them to do something with the Geth Pulse Rifle, the saddest of the Rare guns.  But with the way things go, they will end up bringing the Harrier down to it's level before the try to enchance it.

That's what bugs me the most about this game.
I would love for everything to be not just viable, but fun to use, while tailored to the appropriate difficulty.

Some uncommon weapons can outperform rares...
Meanwhile, there's the near-obsoletion of most of the uncommon weapons on anything that isn't bronze.

This never made sense to me, and seems to at least partially debase the entire "rarity" system in the first place.
(Mattock vs. GPR... Ha!)

This is where my biggest problem with this game lies. 
NEEDS MOAR BUFFS. 

[Epsilon42]

Asebstos wrote...

Only thing I can see taking a hit is the stimpack and, possibly, the duration of the AR boost.

I wouldn't say he's "absurdly OP" at all.

I don't want to see him nerfed at all, but that sounds reasonable.

[Pedro Costa]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

First off, I am almost NEVER in favor of player-side nerfs.

That being said, all you ever see in Gold matches anymore is Turian Ghosts with Harriers, and a ton of them have a Harrier X. Playing as any other class/setup is literally resigning yourself to be an assist machine while they kill Gold Banshees in under 5 seconds. The rate at which they kill things is completely unmatched. It makes the pre-nerf Pirahna GI look weak in comparison. And unlike the GI, it isn't squishy with a passive that takes a huge chunk of shields. In fact, it has a power that instantly regens their shields and gives them a massive shield bonus as well.

Hahahahahaha GI is squishy. Slap a cyclonic and you don't even feel the hit to base shields.
Want to nerf something? Nerf the GI.

[HeroicMass]

Relix28 wrote...

heroicmass wrote...

Sorry about killing everything in that game.

Yeah, me too.

omg heroic what have we done? lol

I know right.  We always joke about people getting mad after playing with us and it actually happened.

At OP, I play with an extremely talented group of people that go under the banner here on BSN of "Team Arelex".  We love to have new people join us and we love to pass along our knowledge of in game mechanics, builds, etc.  Please PM me if you are interested and I would love to get more games with you, and I know others in the group would as well.

to give you an idea of some of the crazy things we can do in this game take a look at these:

14:49 volus speed run on day one of the DLC - www.youtube.com/watch

Achieving a high score in this game means nothing.  I just want to make the games go as easily as possible for everyone involved and taking out enemies as fast as possible if how to do that. 

Modifié par heroicmass, 25 octobre 2012 - 01:02 .

[fishcurry]

Zerotick wrote...

To "Nerf" the turian ghost, they're also going to have to nerf the Turian Havoc as well.
They will nerf the stimulant pack from 4000 shields to 2000-2500 shields.

So you better think carefully about supporting this because you WILL be gimping another class.

it'll be like what happened to the geth engineer after they nerfed the GI all over again...

[Optimisticalman]

Aveus wrote...

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

He's not, it's mostly idiots exploiting bugs with the guy.

Which isn't his fault.

No it isn't, when you can kill a gold Atlas with a single clip of a Harrier whilst having more survivability than pretty much any class in the game something is off....

[drgSebi]

The turian ghost is not overpowered! It's badass!

[Tankcommander]

Stimpacks do make soloing easy mode....but I think everyone just plays him cause he is stinking fun. I score better with other classes, but die never with him because stimpacks are boss

[Feneckus]

Next DLC weapon : M-920 Cain

BSN Reaction : Don't nerf it, it's not OP

[Optimisticalman]

MajorStupidity wrote...

seems that some of your hate is directed at the harrier, why not nerf the harrier then. I play my Ghost with the saber/revenant/collector rifle and it is not OP. Why should my playstyle be hurt because the class is good in combination with a specific gun.

I am all for balance but this thread comes across as you whining that you can't keep up scorewise with the ghosts playing right now. I would let the new character smell wear off before we attempt to nerf him into oblivion

Just because a character is new gives him no right to be overpowered. And whether you see it as whining or not doesn't matter.

[SlimJim0725]

Relix28 wrote...

heroicmass wrote...

Sorry about killing everything in that game.

Yeah, me too.

omg heroic what have we done? lol

Except that Brute... OH CRAP! A BRUTE!