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[rekn2]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Reth Shepherd wrote...
The two don't actually have to be mutually exclusive. Sovereign was present pre-invasion this cycle and he certainly made his presense felt. Harbinger was in deep space and managed to wreak havok. It is entirely possible that one or two Reapers frelled up the zha'til, used them to damage the Prothean empire, then the Reaper fleet sailed in and mopped up.

AresKeith wrote...

The thing with Javik is that he was born late into the Reaper Invasion, so he only knows about the Zha'tll and Metacon War. He wouldn't know the full backstory to it.

Some of things he say are true, and some are biased

True, on both counts.

rekn2 wrote...
what reth quoted was not what javik said

He was quoting the codex, that's why I was confused because I never saw that entry before so I figured what javik said was full truth..

god damn inconsistancies

[Barquiel]

Dislike it

I have several problems with synthesis.

- It's basically "You can never get along if you're different so make them the same!" Well, I would want to preserve the beautiful culture of the Asari, the scientific culture of the Salarians, etc.

- Synthesis unleashes the reapers (uncontrolled and unchecked) on the galaxy. That's a very risky gamble.

- Whats to stop the new hybrid's from creating synthetics? The "problem" isn't even solved.

[Kaidan Fan]

Hate it with a fiery passion.

[Argolas]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Argolas wrote...
Right. Remember the Rachni Wars? We learn from the Rachni queen that indoctrination was involved. A reaper, most likely Souvereign, prepared for the invasion long before the actual arrival.

I thought Leviathan actually hints that the Leviathans were manipulating them since there version of indoctrination is closer to what the Rachni described than the Reapers form of indoctrination?

Might be, I have not played Leviathan since I do not own it, only read about it.

[RiouHotaru]

I like it, but I prefer Destroy because I'm selfish about Shepard's survival. Otherwise, I'd choose Synthesis.

[RiouHotaru]

Barquiel wrote...

Dislike it

I have several problems with synthesis.

- It's basically "You can never get along if you're different so make them the same!" Well, I would want to preserve the beautiful culture of the Asari, the scientific culture of the Salarians, etc.

- Synthesis unleashes the reapers (uncontrolled and unchecked) on the galaxy. That's a very risky gamble.

- Whats to stop the new hybrid's from creating synthetics? The "problem" isn't even solved.

- Doesn't happen.  There's absolutely no indication that the cultures are ruined.

- Except the epilogue states they willing help rebuild the galactic community.

- Because they don't need to make more synthetics anymore.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

ManiacG wrote...

nope same thing different era

Except you don't get a seperate entity placed in your head in  Synthesis, unlike the Zha'til.

No, you don't, not in that manner. However, you are still rewritten. You are changed even on a deeper level than when a person rewrote the geth heretics. You are no longer the same as you were before the wave. You are no longer you. You are not aware of the change, except for that momentary "what the hell was that?" when the wave hit, followed by looking at that husk and the "why are we fighting?"

Only someone who knew you before the wave hit, and was outside of the influence of the wave, and who saw you say a few months after the wave hit. They would really notice something quite odd about you and every one else. And you and every one else would notice something quite odd about them. You would not be able to interface with them like you could with your own. In other words it would take someone who is now an outsider to notice.

Synthesis, the Catalyst said, is "something that cannot be forced." Yet it is asking you to force it on the entire galaxy. So one can interpret that (by using the Bad Writing Theory hereinafter called BWT) as "something that needs to be initiated by an organic." I'm also assuming this means voluntarily. Okay, I'm playing fast and loose here giving the writers the benefit of the doubt on what they meant to say trying to make sense out of this mess.

Here's another quick question about this. Why couldn't Shepard have survived? DNA is DNA, right? Humanity was ready for this. The Catalyst essentially said so. Husks. The Catalyst controlled the reapers.

Shepard: "I know control all the reapers. The control panel. There is a very fresh corpse right there less than 5 to 7 minutes old. Cellular degradation hasn't even started. It's the guy with the hat on. Have two husks bring him up and throw him into the beam, and we're good, and I can see Liara again."

Why wouldn't that work for Synthesis? I'm thinking BWT dismisses this.

[CosmicGnosis]

It has become very clear today that Synthesis is hated by many people. For both the right and wrong reasons.

[Bill Casey]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

It has become very clear today that Synthesis is hated by many people. For both the right and wrong reasons.

I'm curious...
Have you played Mass Effect 1 and 2?
What about Arrival and Overlord?

Modifié par Bill Casey, 25 octobre 2012 - 11:29 .

[CosmicGnosis]

Bill Casey wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

It has become very clear today that Synthesis is hated by many people. For both the right and wrong reasons.

I'm curious...
Have you played Mass Effect 1 and 2?
What about Arrival and Overlord?

Everything. I beat ME1 in 2007. I love this series.

[thefallen2far]

it's the most insulting ending to thematic consistency. Plus, it's like a devils's tuning fork of circular logistical inconsistencies in practicality. Basically, it's saying that Geth nd EDI aren't really alive unless you rewrite the basic laws of the universe with space magic.

Aside from that, it's basicaly an abrupt "they lived happily ever after" nonsense cap on a non-solution for a paranoid schitzophrenic ending. It's like an annoyed parent who just wants to end a bed time story, so he says "and they all died. The end" jut to hut the kid up. No real editorial thought is put into it. Let' say there is a problem..... orgaics are killed by their synthetic creations. so you get rid of all orgaics and synthetics and meld them into some abstract for of existence that isn't machin or organic. The problem is that organics are killed by their crations.... changing the organics does not solve the issue with what's created.these "cyborgs" could still create synthetic life.... which makes the solution as ridiculous as the problem. It's like the belief that if you convert all the Jews and Muslims to Christianity, there'd be no war in the middle east. It's insulting, inaccurate and nonsesnse.

[MegaSovereign]

I don't like it as the conclusion of the ME trilogy but I voted 'indifferent" because the premise behind synthesis could create some interesting scenarios for a future ME game.

It would certainly be pretty cool to play as a character that has the strengths of both organics and synthetics.

[clennon8]

Color me stubborn, but if any future ME games assume Synthesis as the canon ending, I will not be purchasing or playing them.

[CosmicGnosis]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't like it as the conclusion of the ME trilogy but I voted 'indifferent" because the premise behind synthesis could create some interesting scenarios for a future ME game.

It would certainly be pretty cool to play as a character that has the strengths of both organics and synthetics.

What's your canon choice, MegaSovereign?

[KotorEffect3]

Not as good as destroy or control since I imagine most people don't want to become part robot, but more interesting in terms of epilogue (benevelant reapers with free will). Still way better than refuse

[Asharad Hett]

If my only choices were Synth or Reject, I choose Reject.

[Paranoidal nemesis]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

Synthesis is garbage, and the vast majority of people who have finished the game say so. Trying to act like this isn't true is like sticking your fingers in yours and yelling LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

Again, prove it to me by polling every single gamer who finished the game before claiming that it's so.

Lol.  Do you really think that's how it works?  You have to poll every single person in a demographic in order to get a clear picture?

To get the clearest picture, yes. Also, how is a couple hundred people on BSN a clear representation of ME3 players?

Thats how all surveys and polls work buddy, from politics to consumer items.  Granted this method isn't 100% precent accurate, the margin of error is low enough for it to continuously be used for decades. 

[Ledgend1221]

Science for dummies.
"Throw it out the window" - Art

[Maxster_]

Horrific anti-utopia, forced cyborgization and brainwashing.
Hate it, of course.

[Bill Casey]

You're altering people for peace...

[Maxster_]

Bill Casey wrote...

You're altering people for peace...

All for the Greater Good.

[AresKeith]

Maxster_ wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

You're altering people for peace...

All for the Greater Good.

The Greater Good

[Lost Mercenary]

Maxster_ wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

You're altering people for peace...

All for the Greater Good.