I love this analogy I heard someone use.
Synthesis in ME3 is like wishing an end to Racism in the world...only to wake up the next morning and find out everyone's white.
It makes very little sense in universe. The level of genetic manipulation to change every organic being in the galaxy in what is essentially an eyeblink down to the most basic building blocks of their forms is barely comprehensible when you try to wrap your head around it.
There are 200-400 billion stars in the Milky way.
Lets meet in the middle and say 300 billion.
If even 1/20th of those stars have ONE planet capable of sustaining life, that's 15 billion planets.
15 billion planets. We know that earth has at least 7 or close enough to 7 billion people. That's just PEOPLE not including animals and plantlife.
And the crucible in an EYEBLINK is capable of altering each and every single being in the entire galaxy down to the most microscopic level. Its an unbelievable number of CELLS that need to be touched and altered. The logistics alone simply defy any kind of belief.
Does ANYTHING even REAPER technology even remotely resemble anything close to the sheer POWER necesary for this kind of thing? No. I don't even think we could conceive of Sci-fi that could adequately explain this outside the realms of actual magic.
And this was done, at the 11th hour in series that supposedly did not wish to be viewed as "magic in space" (The hacks words not mine)
Its made even more unbelievable by the fact that this thing that brought it about is labelled as a simple "power source"
Furthermore the fact that everyone seems okay with this, actively WORKING with the billion year old death machines that were just a scant few months ago were actively killing their friends and family members. Turning them into horrifying abominations while destroying entire cities, homes and livelyhoods completely destroyed.
When people say that Synthesis shows no evidence of wiping out individuality Bull-to-the-****ing-**** I say. If it doesn't wipe out individuality then it damn sure wiped out the caution gene.
(Poll) Your Opinion of Synthesis - Building a Consensus
Débuté par
CosmicGnosis
, oct. 25 2012 03:07
#251
Posté 26 octobre 2012 - 09:37
#252
Posté 26 octobre 2012 - 09:47
It's the perfect solution!ld1449 wrote...
Synthesis in ME3 is like wishing an end to Racism in the world...only to wake up the next morning and find out everyone's white.
No racism!
#253
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 05:52
lostmercenary99 wrote...
#254
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 07:00
Hate it. Destroy out of all 3 of the dose dose not show Shep getting burned to a crisp and fading into ashes. That leaves a sicking feeling in my gut.
#255
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 03:32
I'll never understand why its viewed as a happy ending. I understand sacrifice, but Synthesis feels more like suicide then sacrifice. Choosing Synthesis justifies that the Catalyst was right to harvest the organics, and it denies that peace between organics and synthetics is possible without choosing synthesis.
Why bother fighting the reapers in the first place if your not only going conform to their ideology, but change life so drastically that it no longer resembles what your trying to save? If saving people involves changing them, then your not really saving them.
Synthesis is in my opinion, a fallacy and while I respect the opinions of those who selected it, I consider it an ultimatum, not a victory.
Why bother fighting the reapers in the first place if your not only going conform to their ideology, but change life so drastically that it no longer resembles what your trying to save? If saving people involves changing them, then your not really saving them.
Synthesis is in my opinion, a fallacy and while I respect the opinions of those who selected it, I consider it an ultimatum, not a victory.
#256
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 06:12
I oppose synthesis because a) I find it hard to credit it as possible, and
I am horrified by the results. As other posters have said, it virtually endorses everything the Intelligence has done over the previous millions of years and allows it an ultimate victory in extinguishing true organic life in favour of the Intelligence's idea of the "ideal" lifeform. It does not guarantee peace unless every creature has been lobotomised by the effects. In fact at least one slide shows that not everyone is thrilled by what you have done - see Jacob and partner comforting another woman - these were the scientists who were working on the crucible project for you. To top it all, the Intelligence is still in existence and running the show.
Whilst I am a Destroy person because I want to see the galaxy free of the control of the Intelligence or the Shepard substitute, I acknowledge that it may not be the perfect ending. Quite apart from the "death" of EDI and the Geth, there is the problem of who will rise to the top of the tree. It would appear that humanity does assume leadership of the galaxy since the Citadel is shown as still over earth with the beam restored and connected to it. I've always had doubts about just how benevolent the Alliance is, particularly since they were responsible for creating Cerberus as a black ops organisation that they then lost control of (created turning against creator?). And of course the Citadel Council had no problems in the past with authorising genocide (of the Rachni) or biological warfare (the Genophage). So I can see that a paragon Shepard might see Control as a way of ensuring galatic peace and a better life for all, not just the ruling elite. I just can't help remembering that "all power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". If the Shepard programming starts getting too extreme in its solutions, who will stop it with both the Reapers and the Geth at its command?
The other reason I object to synthesis is that there is no real explanation of how it got intergrated into the crucible design in the first place. The Prothean VI says that both control and destroy were options when they built it and we are told in the codices that it has the capability of targetting Reapers throughout the galaxy. It is also understandable that as the number of war assets increases, particularly those used directly on the Crucible, that it can be fine tuned to do as little collateral damage as possible. It makes sense that a powerful signal sent through the relays can either short-circuit (and destroy) or re-program (control) the Reapers.
Synthesis actually requires certain design elements of the Crucible to be de-activated and then some form of energy release via the relays that changes every organism within the galaxy, even down to the plant life. It requires total suspension of belief in every scientific law of the universe. And there is no reason why the additional war assets are required to access it since there is nothing within the codices to indicate they have resulted in this possibility.
So I object to its inclusion in the game until such time as we get a proper explanation of how it came to be an option.
Whilst I am a Destroy person because I want to see the galaxy free of the control of the Intelligence or the Shepard substitute, I acknowledge that it may not be the perfect ending. Quite apart from the "death" of EDI and the Geth, there is the problem of who will rise to the top of the tree. It would appear that humanity does assume leadership of the galaxy since the Citadel is shown as still over earth with the beam restored and connected to it. I've always had doubts about just how benevolent the Alliance is, particularly since they were responsible for creating Cerberus as a black ops organisation that they then lost control of (created turning against creator?). And of course the Citadel Council had no problems in the past with authorising genocide (of the Rachni) or biological warfare (the Genophage). So I can see that a paragon Shepard might see Control as a way of ensuring galatic peace and a better life for all, not just the ruling elite. I just can't help remembering that "all power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". If the Shepard programming starts getting too extreme in its solutions, who will stop it with both the Reapers and the Geth at its command?
The other reason I object to synthesis is that there is no real explanation of how it got intergrated into the crucible design in the first place. The Prothean VI says that both control and destroy were options when they built it and we are told in the codices that it has the capability of targetting Reapers throughout the galaxy. It is also understandable that as the number of war assets increases, particularly those used directly on the Crucible, that it can be fine tuned to do as little collateral damage as possible. It makes sense that a powerful signal sent through the relays can either short-circuit (and destroy) or re-program (control) the Reapers.
Synthesis actually requires certain design elements of the Crucible to be de-activated and then some form of energy release via the relays that changes every organism within the galaxy, even down to the plant life. It requires total suspension of belief in every scientific law of the universe. And there is no reason why the additional war assets are required to access it since there is nothing within the codices to indicate they have resulted in this possibility.
So I object to its inclusion in the game until such time as we get a proper explanation of how it came to be an option.
#257
Posté 27 octobre 2012 - 11:11
I respect Mordin too much to pick Synthesis. We've already seen an example of life that has no more evolving to do in the Collectors. When everything is handed to you, and there is nowhere else to go, culture stagnates. His entire speech about them is my main point against Synthesis, as everything he said can be applied to it.
This also reaches into the situation where the Krogan were uplifted. They weren't ready for spacetravel. They weren't mature enough to acclimate to the galactic community and we all know what happened from that. What happens with the Yahg, the species of apex predators that were already extremely intelligent and physically strong? They've just reached the apex of evolution too, and they sure as hell aren't ready to join society. That's like giving Dinosaurs dreadnaughts and portable lazer cannons.
This also reaches into the situation where the Krogan were uplifted. They weren't ready for spacetravel. They weren't mature enough to acclimate to the galactic community and we all know what happened from that. What happens with the Yahg, the species of apex predators that were already extremely intelligent and physically strong? They've just reached the apex of evolution too, and they sure as hell aren't ready to join society. That's like giving Dinosaurs dreadnaughts and portable lazer cannons.
#258
Posté 28 octobre 2012 - 02:34
This is what happens when you choose synthesis.
Modifié par Paranoidal nemesis, 28 octobre 2012 - 02:39 .





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