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[Demon560]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Harbinger put it best: "Salvation through destruction." What do you know I guess he was right!

The cycle isn't destroyed though, they are enhanced. Only in Refuse, and synthetics in Destroy as well, is this cycle destroyed.

You destroy the Reapers in destroy, reprogram/destroy what they were in the other 2, and synthesis does in a way destroy the old cycle and creates a new advanced one, the old way of living is gone, now everyone is connected and partly synthetic.

[AresKeith]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
Well personally I don't trust anything he says, but for some I guess they liked Destroy because it kills the Reapers and Control I guess they wanna headcannon sending the Reapers into the sun.

Synthesis is what the Catalyst wanted since it stated the cycles of killing races, which kills the trust with that

So when the Catalyst points points out how to kill or control him and the Reapers, they follow that? I'm not criticizing them, since Catalyst is telling truth the entire time, but those would be the two that would make me think he's trying to trick us. While Synthesis, on the other hand, like you said was Catalyst's plan so that would make me think he's telling the truth because he benefits from this as well.

That's why I don't trust any of them, because he considers Destroy and Control temperary solutions while he still wants you to pick synthesis

Which one do you distrust the least then, out of curiosity?

Destroy because I think he says that to push you away from it, though I still wanna see for myself

But I'm not against the idea for IT

[Paranoidal nemesis]

Warden130 wrote...

I like Synthesis. Personally I'm fine with people not liking it but what I find annoying is how some people throw all this head canon at it to justify hating on it.

Its bad storytelling.  As a creator you set the precdent and the rules for how things work in the universe.  Breaking the rules a creator has established (and in this case showing a complete ignorance of them i.e. destruction of mass relays not killing everyone) has never been considered a successful device for storytelling.

[darthnick427]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Harbinger put it best: "Salvation through destruction." What do you know I guess he was right!

The cycle isn't destroyed though, they are enhanced. Only in Refuse, and synthetics in Destroy as well, is this cycle destroyed.

When I say salvation through destruction I was playing with words.  And suggested that only through the reapers destruction do we have salvation. I hate Synthesis.....

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Paranoidal nemesis wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Harbinger put it best: "Salvation through destruction." What do you know I guess he was right!

The cycle isn't destroyed though, they are enhanced. Only in Refuse, and synthetics in Destroy as well, is this cycle destroyed.

I want you to address my argument on page one. 

Okay. I'll try my best.

Paranoidal nemesis wrote...

I can honestly say with 100% certainty that Synthesis is the only time I have ever actually felt betrayed by a story. It still makes me feel uncomfortable, Shepard dies to save the reapers? Shepard tells the reaper on Rannoch that whatever species it was made from doesn't exist anymore. Besides, since that Catalyst did such a great job preserving organic life by transforming whole species into reaper, imagine what synthesis would be like. After all, the Catalyst considers it the ideal solution.

I really hate how their is this suspension of disbelief when it comes to Synthesis. I can think of so many contradictions and complications from synthesis, but because Bioware doesn't want to touch anything after the Battle for Earth, no amount of speculation on the fans behalf will ever amount to any.

I have a fanatical hatred of Synthesis.

1) Shepard dies to save all life in the galaxy, and the only way to to do this is the options that saves the Reapers too, since Destroy kills all synthetic life and Refuse kills all life. EC gives us a glimp into what Synthesis is like, and it seems quite peaceful. It is the ideal solution because organic and synthetic life can live, which was Catalyst's purpose.

2) There are many complications of all the endings, not just Synthesis. They gave us a base of understanding through the EC, when it shows how the galaxy continues. As for speculation of fans not counting for anything, that goes both ways. All those talking about how any ending is negative that doesn't have support from EC is just as unlikely as those who see the positives of any ending. That was Bioware's plan; to create a game ending that people will talk about. and with this much discussion months after, I can safely say they succedded.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I hate synthesis.

What do reapers consider the pinnacle of evolution? A reaper. -- Sovereign. What does the catalyst consider the end result of evolution? Synthesis. The reapers are controlled by the Catalyst. They believe what the Catalyst is doing is correct. Therefore the pinnacle of evolution is a reaper. However, Synthesis is galaxy-wide, or make everyone and every living thing into a reaper.

The reapers tried it before but it failed because it cannot be forced, but for some reason Shepard can magically do this.

So Shepard can jump into the green beam and make every present and future life form into a galactic wide reaper, thus solving the Catalyst's problem of order vs. chaos, synthetic vs. organic, and end the harvests.

Synthesis is the Reaper's ideal solution. If you choose this, you have been indoctrinated. Put down the soma. Step away from the beam, Shepard. Oh, and step away from the blue area over to the left as well. That's indoctrination territory as well.

In the original ending you had three choices: Destroy, Control, and Synthesis. They added Refusal in the EC just to placate people who didn't want to choose, but it is what is called "critical mission failure." Everyone in the galaxy dies except for stone age cultures.

I will pick Destroy,

or full ass out renegade Control, because if you're going to command a force like that you might as well be a tyrant and enjoy the worship just for the LOLz, and reap a world every now and then if they decide to put up any kind of resistance.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 25 octobre 2012 - 06:35 .

[Obvakhi]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I hate synthesis.

What do reapers consider the pinnacle of evolution? A reaper. -- Sovereign. What does the catalyst consider the end result of evolution? Synthesis. The reapers are controlled by the Catalyst. They believe what the Catalyst is doing is correct. Therefore the pinnacle of evolution is a reaper. However, Synthesis is galaxy-wide, or make everyone and every living thing into a reaper.

The reapers tried it before but it failed because it cannot be forced, but for some reason Shepard can magically do this.

So Shepard can jump into the green beam and make every present and future life form into a galactic wide reaper, thus solving the Catalyst's problem of order vs. chaos, synthetic vs. organic, and end the harvests.

Synthesis is the Reaper's ideal solution. If you choose this, you have been indoctrinated. Put down the soma. Step away from the beam, Shepard. Oh, and step away from the blue area over to the left as well. That's indoctrination territory as well.

In the original ending you had three choices: Destroy, Control, and Synthesis. They added Refusal in the EC just to placate people who didn't want to choose, but it is what is called "critical mission failure." Everyone in the galaxy dies except for stone age cultures.

I will pick Destroy, or full ass out renegade Control, because if you're going to command a force like that you might as well be a tyrant and enjoy the worship.

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Modifié par Obvakhi, 25 octobre 2012 - 06:35 .

[Paranoidal nemesis]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Paranoidal nemesis wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Harbinger put it best: "Salvation through destruction." What do you know I guess he was right!

The cycle isn't destroyed though, they are enhanced. Only in Refuse, and synthetics in Destroy as well, is this cycle destroyed.

I want you to address my argument on page one. 

Okay. I'll try my best.

Paranoidal nemesis wrote...

I can honestly say with 100% certainty that Synthesis is the only time I have ever actually felt betrayed by a story. It still makes me feel uncomfortable, Shepard dies to save the reapers? Shepard tells the reaper on Rannoch that whatever species it was made from doesn't exist anymore. Besides, since that Catalyst did such a great job preserving organic life by transforming whole species into reaper, imagine what synthesis would be like. After all, the Catalyst considers it the ideal solution.

I really hate how their is this suspension of disbelief when it comes to Synthesis. I can think of so many contradictions and complications from synthesis, but because Bioware doesn't want to touch anything after the Battle for Earth, no amount of speculation on the fans behalf will ever amount to any.

I have a fanatical hatred of Synthesis.

1) Shepard dies to save all life in the galaxy, and the only way to to do this is the options that saves the Reapers too, since Destroy kills all synthetic life and Refuse kills all life. EC gives us a glimp into what Synthesis is like, and it seems quite peaceful. It is the ideal solution because organic and synthetic life can live, which was Catalyst's purpose.

2) There are many complications of all the endings, not just Synthesis. They gave us a base of understanding through the EC, when it shows how the galaxy continues. As for speculation of fans not counting for anything, that goes both ways. All those talking about how any ending is negative that doesn't have support from EC is just as unlikely as those who see the positives of any ending. That was Bioware's plan; to create a game ending that people will talk about. and with this much discussion months after, I can safely say they succedded.

If alienating their fan base, and creating a backlash that was rumored to result in the resignation of
their two ceos, thats a pretty bad plan.  The Catalysts puprose was to
save organics from killing themselves so that the levithans could
continue to enslave them (tribute does not flow from a dead race.) 

My
view of synthesis comes from what I learned over the past two games. 
The writers may hae intended it to be peaceful, but the problem people
have with synthesis is that there is no reason it should be peacful given everything we learned over the previous games. 

Modifié par Paranoidal nemesis, 25 octobre 2012 - 06:43 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I hate synthesis.

What do reapers consider the pinnacle of evolution? A reaper. -- Sovereign. What does the catalyst consider the end result of evolution? Synthesis. The reapers are controlled by the Catalyst. They believe what the Catalyst is doing is correct. Therefore the pinnacle of evolution is a reaper. However, Synthesis is galaxy-wide, or make everyone and every living thing into a reaper.

The reapers tried it before but it failed because it cannot be forced, but for some reason Shepard can magically do this.

So Shepard can jump into the green beam and make every present and future life form into a galactic wide reaper, thus solving the Catalyst's problem of order vs. chaos, synthetic vs. organic, and end the harvests.

Synthesis is the Reaper's ideal solution. If you choose this, you have been indoctrinated. Put down the soma. Step away from the beam, Shepard. Oh, and step away from the blue area over to the left as well. That's indoctrination territory as well.

In the original ending you had three choices: Destroy, Control, and Synthesis. They added Refusal in the EC just to placate people who didn't want to choose, but it is what is called "critical mission failure." Everyone in the galaxy dies except for stone age cultures.

I will pick Destroy,

or full ass out renegade Control, because if you're going to command a force like that you might as well be a tyrant and enjoy the worship just for the LOLz, and reap a world every now and then if they decide to put up any kind of resistance.

The Crucible has never docked with the Citadel before, which is what makes Synthesis possible. Catalyst states this. Also, Shepard is a combination of both organic and synthetic, so added his quintessense to a device that is so advanced that we can't even comprehend, hence why it appears as "space magic" to us, is for all we know quite practical. Catalyst has had over a billion years to think on this, while using his Reaper soution to save those he can't becase he is incapable of it at the time, so it may be as simple as 2+2=4 to him. You're free to choose what ending you want, but you don't have to insult those who feel differently than you.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Paranoidal nemesis wrote...
If alienating their fan base, and creating a backlash that was rumored to result in the resignation of
their two ceos, thats a pretty bad plan.  The Catalysts puprose was to
save organics from killing themselves so that the levithans could
continue to enslave them (tribute does not flow from a dead race.) 

My view of synthesis comes from what I learned over the past two games. 
The writers may hae intended it to be peaceful, but the problem people
have with synthesis is that there is no reason it should be peacful. 

They didn't predict that it would devide the fanbase in half like it did, but I don't think anyone could. Also, I pay no heed to rumors and believe that Ray and Greg left for the reasons they stated. Also, that's what the Leviathans intended him to achieve but didn't predict that the Catalyst would see them as part of the problem. You're free to believe what you wish, I have no problem with that since everyones entitled to their own opinions, but I see Synthesis, by from what I learned from the past two games, as the most peaceful of the options.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

darthnick427 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Harbinger put it best: "Salvation through destruction." What do you know I guess he was right!

The cycle isn't destroyed though, they are enhanced. Only in Refuse, and synthetics in Destroy as well, is this cycle destroyed.

When I say salvation through destruction I was playing with words.  And suggested that only through the reapers destruction do we have salvation. I hate Synthesis.....

It's not salvation for the Geth or any other synthetic lifeform.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Obvakhi wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I hate synthesis.

What do reapers consider the pinnacle of evolution? A reaper. -- Sovereign. What does the catalyst consider the end result of evolution? Synthesis. The reapers are controlled by the Catalyst. They believe what the Catalyst is doing is correct. Therefore the pinnacle of evolution is a reaper. However, Synthesis is galaxy-wide, or make everyone and every living thing into a reaper.

The reapers tried it before but it failed because it cannot be forced, but for some reason Shepard can magically do this.

So Shepard can jump into the green beam and make every present and future life form into a galactic wide reaper, thus solving the Catalyst's problem of order vs. chaos, synthetic vs. organic, and end the harvests.

Synthesis is the Reaper's ideal solution. If you choose this, you have been indoctrinated. Put down the soma. Step away from the beam, Shepard. Oh, and step away from the blue area over to the left as well. That's indoctrination territory as well.

In the original ending you had three choices: Destroy, Control, and Synthesis. They added Refusal in the EC just to placate people who didn't want to choose, but it is what is called "critical mission failure." Everyone in the galaxy dies except for stone age cultures.

I will pick Destroy, or full ass out renegade Control, because if you're going to command a force like that you might as well be a tyrant and enjoy the worship.

Translation:

Renegade response:

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

AresKeith wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
Well personally I don't trust anything he says, but for some I guess they liked Destroy because it kills the Reapers and Control I guess they wanna headcannon sending the Reapers into the sun.

Synthesis is what the Catalyst wanted since it stated the cycles of killing races, which kills the trust with that

So when the Catalyst points points out how to kill or control him and the Reapers, they follow that? I'm not criticizing them, since Catalyst is telling truth the entire time, but those would be the two that would make me think he's trying to trick us. While Synthesis, on the other hand, like you said was Catalyst's plan so that would make me think he's telling the truth because he benefits from this as well.

That's why I don't trust any of them, because he considers Destroy and Control temperary solutions while he still wants you to pick synthesis

You must also remember what he considers temporary. Everything is temporary. It's been around for 1 billion yrs. Temporary could be 400 million years.

[Obvakhi]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
It's not salvation for the Geth or any other synthetic lifeform.

Sucks to be them, then.

Renegade +5

[clennon8]

Synthesis: The ending of choice for contrarians and people who didn't like the story they were being told.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Obvakhi wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
It's not salvation for the Geth or any other synthetic lifeform.

Sucks to be them, then.

Renegade +5

Just 5?

[Eterna]

Synthesis is my second favorite ending.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

clennon8 wrote...

Synthesis: The ending of choice for contrarians and people who didn't like the story they were being told.

While I can't deny the being contrarian, to the BSN at least, part, I loved the story being told. 

[clennon8]

Haha. The ending that Bioware clearly considers the best ending is disliked/hated by 80% of the players.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Obvakhi wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
It's not salvation for the Geth or any other synthetic lifeform.

Sucks to be them, then.

Renegade +5

Just 5?

Well, my Shepard ended up with about a 3:2 Paragon'/Renegade ratio, so take that as you will.

That's before doing the final choice though.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

clennon8 wrote...

Haha. The ending that Bioware clearly considers the best ending is disliked/hated by 80% of the players.

And what basis are your statistics formed? You can make stats say whatever you want them to.

[Warden130]

clennon8 wrote...

Haha. The ending that Bioware clearly considers the best ending is disliked/hated by 80% of the players.

60% of statistics are made up on the spot.

[clennon8]

Warden130 wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

Haha. The ending that Bioware clearly considers the best ending is disliked/hated by 80% of the players.

60% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Sure, sure.  Don't kid yourself.  The vast majority of people think Synthesis is crap.