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[Rune-Chan]

Throughout the games we created our own characters. We decided on what kind of person they are, what kind of attitude they have, who they like, who they don't, what their goals are (companions normally as you about it) and we basically created the character as much as we were literally able to.

Then a lot of people also did so with their own 'head canon'. Their idea of what their character would be like beyond what could literally be achieved in-game.

Imagine that reduced to an NPC that you have no control over. Your character would no longer be in your control in any shape or form. What they do, what they say, what they think would be canonised into the game. Bioware cannot possibly manage to recreate all of our characters how we want them to be, it just isn't feasible.

So what could they do? Make them all the same? Make a few variations of what they are like? (I am not talking about appearances, as we know that can be done)

Either way, they can never please us all, unless the cameo is a small and pointless one where they do not say anything, or only give a small quest like Zevran in DA2; then they will have to make a generic, canonised character for us all.

Does anybody really want that? Bioware have decided not to make them the protagonist for Dragon Age 3 (although when they said that for Hawke, I believe Exalted March was still planning to be made?). They have decided their stories are done. So let's not have them brought back as some meaningless cameo, or as generalised NPC that lacks any of the character that we created for them.

Thoughts?

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 25 octobre 2012 - 11:42 .

[Wulfram]

I agree.

[KiwiQuiche]

Indeed. Just let the Warden and Hawke be.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

I still want to see them in the game, though I am aware of the trouble it would be to actually include them while being faithful to what we as individual players have created. Sometimes I can't help but be irrational lol.

I always envision seeing them as part of the action and seen from afar so they don't have speaking parts, and where our new character doesn't actually interface directly with them.

[fchopin]

No Hawke and no Warden, just my new character having a well cooked steak before joining the procession.

[AlexJK]

Hang on... *reads topic title again*

You do not think an NPC Warden/Hawke would not be a good idea.

So you think it would be a good idea?

Modifié par AlexJK, 25 octobre 2012 - 11:39 .

[Rune-Chan]

AlexJK wrote...

Hang on... *reads topic title again*

You do not think an NPC Warden/Hawke would not be a good idea.

So you think it would be a good idea?

Hah. That's just me changing the sentence structure without removing part of it. Fixed now, good catch though.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 25 octobre 2012 - 11:42 .

[AlexJK]

Machines Are Us wrote...

Hah. That's just me changing the sentence structure without removing part of it. Fixed now, good catch though.

And I agree, it wouldn't. Although I do want answers as to where those characters have disappeared...

[AlbinaTekla]

I guess they could get us to remake The Warden and Hawke at the start of the game or something instead of the risky import... but that kinda seems like a hassle.

[marshalleck]

They could appear as corpses.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Good thread, OP.

I can't help but think it's a bad idea to bring the Warden back. If Hawke and the Warden do return, then they really need to look like they did in the DAO and DA2. However, we didn't see the Warden in DA2, because (if I remember right) the Warden's face was not saved in a format DA2's engine could understand. Now, Hawke's face had to be save in a format the DA2 engine understood, so it had to have been written to the savegame. If BioWare can make Hawke look right for DA3, great, bring Hawke back.

In a perfect world, I'd love to see a DA3 character creator that read DAO and DA2 save games. You would fire it up, import your DAO game and tweak your Warden's face for the new engine. Then you would import your Hawke and tweak that head for the new engine. Finally, you'd create your Angela or Sherlock for DA3. The program would then "shampoo" all the conflicts and problems introduced in the imports and exports, and dump out a single file that you could use as an import for DA3.

That's probably crazy talk though, so my preference is don't bring back the Warden and bring back Hawke only if the face will translate. Obviously is they decide to use cannon appearances, I'm still preordering and prepaying, but I promise I'll wince when I see those characters.

[xJorgexBK]

i want them, i want to see my morrigan and my god child, that will be enought for me :3

[TsaiMeLemoni]

marshalleck wrote...

They could appear as corpses.

lol that would definitely mitigate any potential characterization issues

[Rune-Chan]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

I would love to see that. How about we put it like this. Those that do not like the idea shouldn't recruit them and those that like they idea recruit them. Win win situation

NPC means non playable character. I sincerely doubt that they would become a companion.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 25 octobre 2012 - 12:47 .

[Eire Icon]

I agree, I think the only appearance Hawke could realistically make would be a Cameo type appearance.

[dsl08002]

i dont want them as NPC

but i want the warden at least to be PC

They cannot continue to claim that hawke and the warden is still missing in the next game,

[Mariel800]

While I would like to find out what happened to them and why they both so mysteriously disappeared, I agree with what other people have said above - I wouldn't want to see a (likely) OOC cameo where the NPCs involved look and behave nothing like the characters I've played. And if the talk of not being able to import saves at all is true, then I don't see how it could be done any other way than to have 'default' Warden and Hawke.

However, if Bioware can prove us all wrong then I'll be more than happy.

[Medhia Nox]

I agree - the Dragon Age franchise is about Thedas... not the PC.

It should remain that way.

[wright1978]

I'd happily take news my Hawke was acting as Isabela's first mate rather than disappeared and Warden was back with Queen Anora. However they've disappeared them so i doubt they'll just claim it was all just a poor info the seekers had.

I definitely don't want them killed offscreen.

So that leaves a carefully worked cameo return during a key moment of the plot or some other means of addressing their return and how it plays into the grander plot. I'll leave it with the devs to choose which does the characters justice.

[vortex216]

In my head, bringing them back is not hard. First, recustomize their faces. Imagine (for the warden) Many characterizing words on the screen. Select 3 of those, and you got a generel personality type that probably isn't too different from the Warden in origins. For Hawke, just click on the leaf, happy face, or fist.

[Sanunes]

Again BioWare is in a no-win situation, even though they have said they don't want to keep going back to the same protagonist people keep wanting to replay the Warden or Hawke and keep making posts about it. So they are trying to find a way to incorporate those characters to appease people that just won't listen to what they say and to me this is the first warning sign about Dragon Age 3 because other games have suffered from this approach. I really wish BioWare would just make the game they want instead of making the game fans want, for the older BioWare games were really good because it was the game they made, not because of what people wanted to be incorporated.

[ThatGamerWithSouvlaki285]

Closure is the main thing i want, more than a cameo. Does he/she die from the taint something else? Does (s)he ride to the sunset with the LI. Not that i am against a cameo or something, in fact i have scene in mind with the Inquisitor PC and leliana meeting the warden, but it would be diffiicult to get it right.

[JWvonGoethe]

Giving the Warden/Hawke a default face is simply not an option.

The developers said they wanted to do it well, if at all, partially as a reward for people who faithfully imported their saves from Origins/DA2. Giving the characters a default face would, on the contrary, be an insult to these longterm players, completely destroying any sense of world consistency for them. Better not to do it at all in that scenario.

A default look where the face is obscured would be acceptable, as long as there was a different appearance for each class/gender.