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[lfc19titles]

sonofabumdooda wrote...

lfc19titles wrote...

demondioma wrote...

I've have yet to understand why nerfs are so cried for in a co-op game. Yeah yeah power creep, everyone will start using the Ghost (even though I rarely ever see it), so what? I would rather have average players running the show with a crutch character than have them dead on the 3rd wave.

because that exactly is what makes a game not balanced

A balanced game is a happy game

we don't want balance
we want style.

No

This is what finishes games, no balance and eventually it will die out

[Mr Goodcat]

lfc19titles wrote...

sonofabumdooda wrote...

lfc19titles wrote...

demondioma wrote...

I've have yet to understand why nerfs are so cried for in a co-op game. Yeah yeah power creep, everyone will start using the Ghost (even though I rarely ever see it), so what? I would rather have average players running the show with a crutch character than have them dead on the 3rd wave.

because that exactly is what makes a game not balanced

A balanced game is a happy game

we don't want balance
we want style.

No

This is what finishes games, no balance and eventually it will die out

No. wrong again there is no good reason to nerf none at all. i havent seen any apart from whiners who want to ruin the game because they get outplayed. no on says what negative effect it has on there experience because the negative is they dont come top and that is why these little kids want it nerfed frankly its just pathetic and selfish

[N7 Spectre525]

Mr Goodcat wrote...

lfc19titles wrote...

sonofabumdooda wrote...

lfc19titles wrote...

demondioma wrote...

I've have yet to understand why nerfs are so cried for in a co-op game. Yeah yeah power creep, everyone will start using the Ghost (even though I rarely ever see it), so what? I would rather have average players running the show with a crutch character than have them dead on the 3rd wave.

because that exactly is what makes a game not balanced

A balanced game is a happy game

we don't want balance
we want style.

No

This is what finishes games, no balance and eventually it will die out

No. wrong again there is no good reason to nerf none at all. i havent seen any apart from whiners who want to ruin the game because they get outplayed. no on says what negative effect it has on there experience because the negative is they dont come top and that is why these little kids want it nerfed frankly its just pathetic and selfish

QFT

[Ryan_H]

The Ghost is not OP. All the complaints about the Ghost involve the Harrier. Exchange the Harrier for a Collector Assault Rifle and no more 'Superman'.

The Ghost + Harrier is a powerful combination but not OP thanks to its absolute reliance on the ammo box.

I can outscore most Ghost Infiltrators with the new Valkyrie. I guess we can soon expect calls for its nerf as well.

[BattleCop88]

No. This mp is all about finding powerful combinations. There would be other effective combinations to choose from if the other nerds never happened.

[sonofabumdooda]

lfc19titles wrote...

sonofabumdooda wrote...

lfc19titles wrote...

demondioma wrote...

I've have yet to understand why nerfs are so cried for in a co-op game. Yeah yeah power creep, everyone will start using the Ghost (even though I rarely ever see it), so what? I would rather have average players running the show with a crutch character than have them dead on the 3rd wave.

because that exactly is what makes a game not balanced

A balanced game is a happy game

we don't want balance
we want style.

No

This is what finishes games, no balance and eventually it will die out

No, No

Balancing to the point where all character and weapons have the same amount of pros and cons is monumental madness, and can only lead to stale turgid gameplay where everyone is the same with their 'numbers' shuffled around abit.

Some weapons are better than others...the end.
Some characters are better than others....the end
theres nothing wrong with this.
Sure some people will constantly play the op character/wep but MOST people will play all kinds because they like too.

Style is the only thing that will prevent a game perishing.

we must not all be the same.

[xj3ewok]

Ryan_H wrote...

The Ghost is not OP. All the complaints about the Ghost involve the Harrier. Exchange the Harrier for a Collector Assault Rifle and no more 'Superman'.

The Ghost + Harrier is a powerful combination but not OP thanks to its absolute reliance on the ammo box.

I can outscore most Ghost Infiltrators with the new Valkyrie. I guess we can soon expect calls for its nerf as well.

agreed i can outscore the ghost with my batarian soldier. and when it come to soloing gold i find its easier with a kroguard than with a ghost so why dont we just nerf the kroguard next while we're at it and the harrier and the ppr and everything that is slightly good in this game.

[Reawyn]

ha another nerf thread on the ghost , and would you look at that .... ANOTHER console gamer ( OP ) demanding a nerf ! , no just no , why don't you people get off your elitist horse and play another character or better still , USE THE HAVOK SOLDIER. If you nerf the Ghost you will hurt the havok, which I can say isn't overpowered , he needs the stim packs to survive using his flagship ablity.

But I suppose if we are on the topic of trolling the whole community by herding nerfs into the balance change play pen then why don't we just remove the infiltrator class completely on the grounds that being able to cloak is a cheap way of making your team mates take fire while you snipe from a distance.

[sonofabumdooda]

Reawyn wrote...

ha another nerf thread on the ghost , and would you look at that .... ANOTHER console gamer ( OP ) demanding a nerf ! , no just no , why don't you people get off your elitist horse and play another character or better still , USE THE HAVOK SOLDIER. If you nerf the Ghost you will hurt the havok, which I can say isn't overpowered , he needs the stim packs to survive using his flagship ablity.

But I suppose if we are on the topic of trolling the whole community by herding nerfs into the balance change play pen then why don't we just remove the infiltrator class completely on the grounds that being able to cloak is a cheap way of making your team mates take fire while you snipe from a distance.

this ^^^^^^ (nice Reawyn)

Yeah keep infiltrators just get rid of tactical cloak.
replace it with tactical tea time..or tactical trying on womanly shoes.
I'll have rank 6 tactical soothing bath please.

[Zaixx]

Nerf it, if the destroyer deserved to get nerfed so does the TGI

[thearbiter1337]

I say we buff everything and,keep GI and Ghost the same

Put some Halo 1 logic here

[LiarasShield]

What is this another crying for nerf to classes if you don't like a class play as the class you like just cause you personally don't like the class doesn't mean they should be nerfed huge negative for you

[sonofabumdooda]

groan

nerf the hurricane (shoots too much), nerf the claymore (shoots to hard), nerf any cloaking character (now we can't see their pretty dresses), nerf lift grenades (still most powerful gren in game), nerf the eagle (one day it might be good), nerf the kroguard (because you asked for a ghost nerf...same thing), nerf the talon (no reason), nerf the destroyer again (because it made people cry), nerf the harrier (it won't go brown), nerf camo patterns (nobody uses them now anyway), nerf, nerf, nerf ,nerf....nerf.

we done?
got it all covered now?
less typing more playing.
me included

*edit*
(above is 250% sarcasm)

Modifié par sonofabumdooda, 28 octobre 2012 - 10:12 .

[Turian Master Race]

Some people does not even have the ghost (like me). Why do you want to ruin it for others? If you do not like it do not use it.

[blaster1 112]

NO

[VirDeBello]

Why are we nerfing in a COOP game, this isn't Halo or BF3 where classes or guns need to be nerfed and buffed for balance. Does it really matter if a good class or weapon help bring your team to victory against BOTS? Fixing something like missile glitches or something that makes you invincible is okay. "Oh man this guy with his OP gun and OP character/class just helped me and the team win....NERF IT!"

[Oni Dark Clown]

I wash my hands of this weirdness.

[GhostShadow115]

sonofabumdooda wrote...

this ^^^^^^ (nice Reawyn)

Yeah keep infiltrators just get rid of tactical cloak.
replace it with tactical tea time..or tactical trying on womanly shoes.
I'll have rank 6 tactical soothing bath please.

Why do you hate us Infiltrators... T_T

[Eelectrica]

QMI is a lot more powerful than ghost.

[Starquake]

Every time I come on here, there is another thread whining about something. Always "nerf this!" and "nerf that!", it's like you're planning to make your team fail. I wouldn't be surprised if someone made a thread crying "the servers are too good! We need to go back to dial-up connections!"

The Ghost Infiltrator is not overpowered. The stim-packs are a great addition and help survivability. Survival Ops Packs should work the way the Stim-Packs do, instead of using them and immediately fall down a second later.

Tactical Cloak is also fine. The damage bonus is a part of the Infiltrator's character class. Asking to nerf it would be like saying "the krogan has too much health and shields, it needs to be paper thin like my drell" or "the drell are too fast, they need to be as slow as my N7 Destroyer!"

[sonofabumdooda]

GhostShadow115 wrote...

sonofabumdooda wrote...

this ^^^^^^ (nice Reawyn)

Yeah keep infiltrators just get rid of tactical cloak.
replace it with tactical tea time..or tactical trying on womanly shoes.
I'll have rank 6 tactical soothing bath please.

Why do you hate us Infiltrators... T_T

I don't (other fella was making a point to OP about 'op'ness)
invisibleness is generally good
pretty dresses wouldn't go amiss though.

I love the turian ghost

[sonofabumdooda]

Starquake wrote...

Every time I come on here, there is another thread whining about something. Always "nerf this!" and "nerf that!", it's like you're planning to make your team fail. I wouldn't be surprised if someone made a thread crying "the servers are too good! We need to go back to dial-up connections!"

The Ghost Infiltrator is not overpowered. The stim-packs are a great addition and help survivability. Survival Ops Packs should work the way the Stim-Packs do, instead of using them and immediately fall down a second later.

Tactical Cloak is also fine. The damage bonus is a part of the Infiltrator's character class. Asking to nerf it would be like saying "the krogan has too much health and shields, it needs to be paper thin like my drell" or "the drell are too fast, they need to be as slow as my N7 Destroyer!"

Just for record
wasn't me asking for a TC nerf
I have asked for 0 nerfs

[siris98]

But with nerfing the ghost, you have to take in consideration of the enemies, like i got grabbed out of cover by praetorian multiple times and stun-locked for a minute by geth, in terms of enemies he is under powered, in terms of other characters, he is op, so if bw wants to nerf him, that's fine, but put the enemies in balance too.

[doozerdude]

/signed

[sonofabumdooda]

siris98 wrote...

But with nerfing the ghost, you have to take in consideration of the enemies, like i got grabbed out of cover by praetorian multiple times and stun-locked for a minute by geth, in terms of enemies he is under powered, in terms of other characters, he is op, so if bw wants to nerf him, that's fine, but put the enemies in balance too.

This is the problem with balance
to do it right you have to revisit everything else.