Miclotov wrote...
Why complain about things being "op" in a pure co-op game at all?
That makes only sense if something is really gamebreaking, not because some kid isn't 1st on the scoreboard.
Lord Chun wrote...
I'm sorry but GIs have been nerfed several times its not going to happen agin. I don't play one as HM mode hurts my eyes and no I'm not kidding I hate playing the geth with HM mode and not using it is just a waste. So I don't play them
Lord Chun wrote...
Where can you give the GI a damage reduction without hurting another class?
Miclotov wrote...
Why complain about things being "op" in a pure co-op game at all?
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt after the GE thingRifneno wrote...
Lord Chun wrote...
Where can you give the GI a damage reduction without hurting another class?
When did they start caring about hurting other builds?
Modifié par Lord Chun, 25 octobre 2012 - 11:27 .
PaperAlien wrote...
My view is still that TC can be changed in a way that doesn't hurt anything that doesn't need to be hurt.
HusarX wrote...
Miclotov wrote...
Why complain about things being "op" in a pure co-op game at all?
Some people are stupid, some people are trollin'.
Rifneno wrote...
Lord Chun wrote...
Where can you give the GI a damage reduction without hurting another class?
When did they start caring about hurting other builds?
That is one of the ways it could go ahead. Although it wouldn't affect Ghost much because he's primarily an AR user, and he'd stay about the same. The problem with that guy is that he has both firepower and durability, so something else would need to be changed. I like Turians though so I don't particularly mind... yet.lfc19titles wrote...
PaperAlien wrote...
My view is still that TC can be changed in a way that doesn't hurt anything that doesn't need to be hurt.
A simple fix...
Rank 4, REMOVE the 40 percent damage bonus to 30 percent...
in the final rank increase sniper rifle damage by 10 percent
thus nerfing both the damage output of the ghost and GI
That's still 70% if you take the damage evo which most GIs do and who when playing a GI goes past that. Most are rocking a piranha no? Same goes for the ghost just replace piranha with harrier.lfc19titles wrote...
PaperAlien wrote...
My view is still that TC can be changed in a way that doesn't hurt anything that doesn't need to be hurt.
A simple fix...
Rank 4, REMOVE the 40 percent damage bonus to 30 percent...
in the final rank increase sniper rifle damage by 10 percent
thus nerfing both the damage output of the ghost and GI
Lathlaer wrote...
I've been reading a lot of comments like "nerfing x on class y will render class z which also has x completely useless".
Can someone please explain to me how is it that Bioware can make unique Tactical Cloak progression for the Ghost or different grenade damage for two different classes (I believe one of the updates changed this) but cannot, say, nerf StimPacks for Ghost without nerfing them for Havoc?
I'm not taking sides on this debate, just want to know what is the reasoning behind this.
Modifié par Lord Chun, 25 octobre 2012 - 11:38 .
Annomander wrote...
Because....
The crying that the little girls did over the Destroyer adjustment....
....would be nothing in comparison to the undending tears that the little girls would shed if they balanced infiltrators finally....
On a side note:
The ghost with harrier actually does more burst damage than the GI piranha build, when you take into account both TC rank 6 AR evo and the 27.5% damage from stim packs, + weapon damage from armiger legion.
Lathlaer wrote...
I've been reading a lot of comments like "nerfing x on class y will render class z which also has x completely useless".
Can someone please explain to me how is it that Bioware can make unique Tactical Cloak progression for the Ghost or different grenade damage for two different classes (I believe one of the updates changed this) but cannot, say, nerf StimPacks for Ghost without nerfing them for Havoc?
I'm not taking sides on this debate, just want to know what is the reasoning behind this.
PaperAlien wrote...
My view is still that TC can be changed in a way that doesn't hurt anything that doesn't need to be hurt.
Modifié par Elindile, 25 octobre 2012 - 11:43 .
PaperAlien wrote...
That is one of the ways it could go ahead. Although it wouldn't affect Ghost much because he's primarily an AR user, and he'd stay about the same. The problem with that guy is that he has both firepower and durability, so something else would need to be changed. I like Turians though so I don't particularly mind... yet.lfc19titles wrote...
PaperAlien wrote...
My view is still that TC can be changed in a way that doesn't hurt anything that doesn't need to be hurt.
A simple fix...
Rank 4, REMOVE the 40 percent damage bonus to 30 percent...
in the final rank increase sniper rifle damage by 10 percent
thus nerfing both the damage output of the ghost and GI
BerzerkGene wrote...
Hmm no. Pretty sure a few dragoons up the butt would screw most Ghosts and the GI has been the same for a very long time, while the destroyer is new, and the nerf was minor, but the RoF bonus was one of the reasons i even used it. The destroyer's missile launcher even got a buff.
Plus they fill different roles, The Ghost isn't supposed to be a tank(although you can kind of make him one) He's basically stealth ops. The Destroyer is straight up assault/artillery.
Also its about balancing, not nerfing. You don't hear people griping how the volus is made of paper or has mediocre damage output, because thats how they are. Turians are naturally tougher than humans and probably more used to wars, so their increased shields/health and stim pack makes sense(why they have a limited number of them doesn't really, they carry a whole bunch of crap they don't use but not a few more stims?)
Lord Chun wrote...
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt after the GE thingRifneno wrote...
Lord Chun wrote...
Where can you give the GI a damage reduction without hurting another class?
When did they start caring about hurting other builds?
Chaoswind wrote...
Thid thread again...
turian ghost will get nerfed, bioware needs to do some testing first, they don't just wake up one day and decide to change some numbers to see what happens.
GI cannot be nerfed anymore without hurting other characters, and the GI is hardly the rolfstomp machine it was, yes is tied as the second best infiltrator with the QMI, but the ghost is the new king.
Destroyer is still the king of soldiers, but its limited movement makes other soldier kits relevant... And the demolisher is as great as ever and the only thing that got nerfed is grenades spawn from under the tent while camping.
Lord Chun wrote...
That's still 70% if you take the damage evo which most GIs do and who when playing a GI goes past that. Most are rocking a piranha no? Same goes for the ghost just replace piranha with harrier.lfc19titles wrote...
PaperAlien wrote...
My view is still that TC can be changed in a way that doesn't hurt anything that doesn't need to be hurt.
A simple fix...
Rank 4, REMOVE the 40 percent damage bonus to 30 percent...
in the final rank increase sniper rifle damage by 10 percent
thus nerfing both the damage output of the ghost and GI
So 10% isn't enough to make it a unfavored class. The nerf to TC would have to be so hard that they would be unplayable for damage . Make the TC damage evo 50% total and then maybe then will you see the GI not be overpo powered
FeralJester616 wrote...
Its all this crying about stuff being OP that is ruining this game.
It a bleedin CoOp game people, I wonder if any of you know what that means.
So someone else is able to kill stuff quicker than your fave class, guess what... Thats a good thing.
Them killing them means you didn't need to and more importantly, it didn't get the chance to kill you.
Get over it. No matter what some things will always kill quicker, thats just the way it is.
Nerfing either the GI or TI will hurt other classes. Do any of you even think of that?
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