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[oO Stryfe Oo]

Saans Shadow wrote...

The GI is a glass cannon but the Ghost probably does need a bit of tweaking.

This is pretty much what I was gonna say. Seriously, the GI sacrifices half his shield for that constant damage bonus. Once those shields are gone, he'll go down as fast as an unprotected Volus with no points in shield boost attempting a platinum solo.

The Ghost could use a little bit of tweaking, but not too much. The PUGs I've seen with him die as constantly as they would with other kits, so I'm sure a bit of skill and common sense is required to make him shine.

Modifié par oO Stryfe Oo, 25 octobre 2012 - 06:40 .

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SalvationThroughDestruction wrote...

Weren't you playing as a Ghost on Platinum/Hydra with me? ^^

I thought you quit...

[stayposi1990]

Cry moar.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

The GI is not OP. Nothing in this game is.

The day they nerf the GI is the day I stop playing this game.

Kidding?  Can't tell.

 

No I'm not kidding. If you think the GI is OP it's because you're a rubbish player with no adaptability or versatility. Or because you just jumped on the 'GI is OP' bandwagon.

Wrong on both accounts.  I play almost all characters in the game, other than the Novaguard (whom I never touched even during demo days until a couple of weeks ago).  I actually play Infiltrators the least.  I also don't care about bandwagons and am not an extremist on either side of nerf or anti-nerf.  However, I do have to admit that the GI really is OP.  I've already stated why in other posts.  I am not calling for a nerf, and I'd hate to see him change, especially due to the collateral damage of any nerf he might receive.  I'm just being honest here. 

Record holding speedruns all include a GI (sometimes paired with a QMI) other than the Kroguard Geth Reegar solos.
No one is impressed with a solo, even at Platinum level, when a GI is used.  Why is that?

He's got the best damage dealing power synergy in the game.
TC, giving damage boosts, survivability (mitigating any decrease in shields from HM), and shortening cooldowns of his Proxy Mines, allowing him to carry the heaviest of guns with virtually no penalty
HM, giving damage boosts, ROF boosts, Accuracy Boosts, Speed Boosts, & wallhack to top it off
PM, good damage, amazing debuff

What does any of this have to do with my ability to play or presence or absence of adaptability or versatility?  Why even turn this into a personal attack?  Why not just state your case as to why he isn't OP?

Modifié par Jack Crapper, 25 octobre 2012 - 06:50 .

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Lord_Sirian wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

The GI is not OP. Nothing in this game is.

The day they nerf the GI is the day I stop playing this game.

Kidding?  Can't tell.

 

No I'm not kidding. If you think the GI is OP it's because you're a rubbish player with no adaptability or versatility. Or because you just jumped on the 'GI is OP' bandwagon.

Wrong on both accounts.  I play almost all characters in the game, other than the Novaguard (whom I never touched even during demo days until a couple of weeks ago).  I actually play Infiltrators the least.  I also don't care about bandwagons and am not an extremist on either side of nerf or anti-nerf.  However, I do have to admit that the GI really is OP.  I've already stated why in other posts.  I am not calling for a nerf, and I'd hate to see him change, especially due to the collateral damage of any nerf he might receive.  I'm just being honest here. 

Record holding speedruns all include a GI (sometimes paired with a QMI) other than the Kroguard Geth Reegar solos.
No one is impressed with a solo, even at Platinum level, when a GI is used.  Why is that?

He's got the best damage dealing power synergy in the game.
TC, giving damage boosts, survivability (mitigating any decrease in shields from HM), and shortening cooldowns of his Proxy Mines, allowing him to carry the heaviest of guns with virtually no penalty
HM, giving damage boosts, ROF boosts, Accuracy Boosts, Speed Boosts, & wallhack to top it off
PM, good damage, amazing debuff

What does any of this have to do with my ability to play or presence or absence of adaptability or versatility?  Why even turn this into a personal attack?  Why not just state your case as to why he isn't OP.

 

Never said I was referring to you. If you took it as a personal attack then that's got to do with your own insecurities.

There are no OP classes in this game. It's all about player skill. If you were actually on a decent platform I'd ask you for a game to prove my point. But I guess that won't happen.  

He's not OP in any way, shape or form. I can perform just as well with a number of other classes, including but not limited to:

Drell Adept
N7 Destroyer
Turian Sentinel
Turian Soldier
Human Soldier
QMI
QME
Paladin
Krogan Soldier
Batarian Soldier
TGI
N7 Slayer
Novaguard

I could go on, but then I basically would've listed every class in the game. 

Basically, player skill > class/weapon. I'm an extremely good player. But earlier today, Jay outscored me (when I was using a GI) using a Drellguard with the Eagle. Don't ever try to tell me that class or weapon x is overpowered, because you're wasting your time.

That does not invalidate my point.  Also, to quote you:

Lord_Sirian wrote...
No I'm not kidding. If you think the GI is OP it's because you're a rubbish player with no adaptability or versatility. Or because you just jumped on the 'GI is OP' bandwagon.

You turn it into a personal attack on the condition I feel the GI is OP, which I do.  I'm a decent player, also.  I have outscored plenty GIs and Ghosts with other classes, as well.  Player skill has the most to do with how well you do in any given game, but the better the tools, the better that player will do.

Your point only potentially shows the skill gap between you and Jay, or just how the game itself went.
Do you really think that Jay would not have done better with a GI?

Do you mean to tell me that your damage output is the same with all the class you listed and the ones you didn't compared to your damage output with the GI?  That's just ridiculous because the GI is fine tuned for damage output. 

Can you solo Platinum with the same time, given the same conditions, with all those characters equally, including the GI?  Of course not.

I can use pretty much all the characters well.  I just know that I would have a higher damage output with a GI because that is how the class was built.  You seem to have deluded yourself at this point into thinking that the GI has nothing more over all those characters you listed.

Modifié par Jack Crapper, 25 octobre 2012 - 07:26 .

[lfc19titles]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

The GI is not OP. Nothing in this game is.

The day they nerf the GI is the day I stop playing this game.

Kidding?  Can't tell.

 

No I'm not kidding. If you think the GI is OP it's because you're a rubbish player with no adaptability or versatility. Or because you just jumped on the 'GI is OP' bandwagon.

Wrong on both accounts.  I play almost all characters in the game, other than the Novaguard (whom I never touched even during demo days until a couple of weeks ago).  I actually play Infiltrators the least.  I also don't care about bandwagons and am not an extremist on either side of nerf or anti-nerf.  However, I do have to admit that the GI really is OP.  I've already stated why in other posts.  I am not calling for a nerf, and I'd hate to see him change, especially due to the collateral damage of any nerf he might receive.  I'm just being honest here. 

Record holding speedruns all include a GI (sometimes paired with a QMI) other than the Kroguard Geth Reegar solos.
No one is impressed with a solo, even at Platinum level, when a GI is used.  Why is that?

He's got the best damage dealing power synergy in the game.
TC, giving damage boosts, survivability (mitigating any decrease in shields from HM), and shortening cooldowns of his Proxy Mines, allowing him to carry the heaviest of guns with virtually no penalty
HM, giving damage boosts, ROF boosts, Accuracy Boosts, Speed Boosts, & wallhack to top it off
PM, good damage, amazing debuff

What does any of this have to do with my ability to play or presence or absence of adaptability or versatility?  Why even turn this into a personal attack?  Why not just state your case as to why he isn't OP.

 

Never said I was referring to you. If you took it as a personal attack then that's got to do with your own insecurities.

There are no OP classes in this game. It's all about player skill. If you were actually on a decent platform I'd ask you for a game to prove my point. But I guess that won't happen.  

He's not OP in any way, shape or form. I can perform just as well with a number of other classes, including but not limited to:

Drell Adept
N7 Destroyer
Turian Sentinel
Turian Soldier
Human Soldier
QMI
QME
Paladin
Krogan Soldier
Batarian Soldier
TGI
N7 Slayer
Novaguard

I could go on, but then I basically would've listed every class in the game. 

Basically, player skill > class/weapon. I'm an extremely good player. But earlier today, Jay outscored me (when I was using a GI) using a Drellguard with the Eagle. Don't ever try to tell me that class or weapon x is overpowered, because you're wasting your time.

If you got outscored like that then you need to improve

You are wrong

I can tell you are one of those two users who play those classes and thats it. Ok, I rarely play those two classes, every plat run bar 1 has been with random classes. Player skill is very important, that is my point, it should be about that

I am glad you agree, it IS about player skill, the point is that especially with the ghost, you can have LOW player skill and still be immortal damage dealing god. that is the whole point, it needs balancing

if you are not good enough on other classes, I suggest you drop down a level, learn how to play with them, then you will be fine again.

Have a good day

[Immortal Strife]

Herp a derp, the most op thing in MP is cyclonic modulator IVs.

The GI is not easy to solo with as TC becomes seen by all enemies. Sure you have a wall hack and can easily equip an Indra to keep range and shoot through walls but I assure you one slip up and you will go down. I believe the GI's lack of health will keep him from being nerfed just as the Harrier's clip size and the Reegar's range have kept them from being nerfed. As far as the Ghost goes I expect a nerf and if all the whinning continues about him on the forum then I expect it to be sooner than later.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 25 octobre 2012 - 07:30 .

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Lord_Sirian wrote...

There are no OP classes in this game. It's all about player skill. If you were actually on a decent platform I'd ask you for a game to prove my point. But I guess that won't happen.  

Also, very classy.

[Mookiemook85]

YES YES YES MOAR NERFS.....MOAR NERFS.....I DONT WANT ANY PLATINUM VIABLE classES....I DONT WANT ANY BADASS GO-TO CHARACTERS FOR THIS CO-OP GAME...I WANT TO PLAY BRONZE AND GET ALL DA POINTS FOR MEZ ONLY MEZZZZZZZZZZ

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Immortal Strife wrote...

Herp a derp, the most op thing in MP is cyclonic modulator IVs.

The GI is not easy to solo with as TC becomes seen by all enemies. Sure you have a wall hack and can easily equip an Indra to keep range and shoot through walls but I assure you one slip up and you will go down. I believe the GI's lack of health will keep him from being nerfed just as the Harrier's clip size and the Reegar's range have kept them from being nerfed. As far as the Ghost goes I expect a nerf and if all the whinning continues about him on the forum then I expect it to be sooner than later.

You know, I have heard this and always believed this to be true.  However, I did a Plat solo with the Ghost, and when I cloaked and moved to flank enemies, they were looking and shooting at the position I was last.  I had assumed they would be able to track you no matter what, even cloaked. 

Of course, there were times an Atlas or Banshee would hit me with their magical powers while I was running from one hidden location to another while cloaked.

Also, with a Cyclonic Modulator IV, you can eat a Banshee's warp without dropping your shields.  After all, it boosts your shields by the base amount, which is relatively high on Geth.

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I'm ashamed for adding to this Troll Post. Sorry guys. Just got carried away with a debate here.

[whateverman7]

these myths wont go away fast enough.....neither the GI nor ghost are overpowered....just cause people like to use it doesnt mean it's overpowered, just means it makes the game a lil easier....if you talking about score/damage, they both can be outscored/outdamaged easily....

[DullahansXMark]

Rifneno wrote...

I wonder if the know about 9/11 yet.

Whoa! Too soon!

[nSquared75]

lfc19titles wrote...

Miclotov wrote...

Why complain about things being "op" in a pure co-op game at all?
That makes only sense if something is really gamebreaking, not because some kid isn't 1st on the scoreboard.

It is gamebreaking

Consider that 100 plat games per day are successful (random number)

with this nerf, that would be reduced but a decent amount, it must be done to balance the game

How does this negatively affect you?

[lfc19titles]

nSquared75 wrote...

lfc19titles wrote...

Miclotov wrote...

Why complain about things being "op" in a pure co-op game at all?
That makes only sense if something is really gamebreaking, not because some kid isn't 1st on the scoreboard.

It is gamebreaking

Consider that 100 plat games per day are successful (random number)

with this nerf, that would be reduced but a decent amount, it must be done to balance the game

How does this negatively affect you?

I never said it did, what it does is makes it easier for people when it should not be, it makes it about individuals instead of team work. Every class is viable but people seem oblivious to it, why? because they want to choose what they feel are the best, I will be honest, the issue with GI is not a HUGE issue, it is a small one due to his low health

but the ghost, dear lord, I have no idea how that guy got passed into the game, best damage dealer and the best class to survive

has the best of both

[lfc19titles]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

lfc19titles wrote...

If you got outscored like that then you need to improve

You are wrong

I can tell you are one of those two users who play those classes and thats it. Ok, I rarely play those two classes, every plat run bar 1 has been with random classes. Player skill is very important, that is my point, it should be about that

I am glad you agree, it IS about player skill, the point is that especially with the ghost, you can have LOW player skill and still be immortal damage dealing god. that is the whole point, it needs balancing

if you are not good enough on other classes, I suggest you drop down a level, learn how to play with them, then you will be fine again.

Have a good day

Hah! Spoken like someone who has never played with any good players. (And also never played with Jay).

Here's a fun fact: I'm 10 x better at this game than you will ever be. I play just about every kit in the game from time to time, the GI just so happens to be my favourite class. (I never use the TGI). The TGI is what I like to call 'baby's first gold' class. (Similar to the kroguard) in that it's very easy not to die on. But if you played with me on a TGI, you could name any other class and I can guarantee I would outscore you. Why? Because I'm better than you.

The last part about 'not being good enough on other classes' is laughable. Seeing as I play (and have stated several times already) just about every class in the game.

I suggest you l2play, and learn who you're talking to before saying silly things. 

Wow, someone is very insecure, you were and  still are wrong. You came here to launch personal attacks on two people, you shot yourself with a silly post or two, now you are just running around like a 10 year old at a playground shouting things.

As I said, go to gold when they are nerfed, I promise you, there are helpful players who will help you learn to use other classes, after that, you will be fine. No hard feelings ok? no need to derail a thread or anything

Have a good day and relax pal.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

lfc19titles wrote...

If you got outscored like that then you need to improve

You are wrong

I can tell you are one of those two users who play those classes and thats it. Ok, I rarely play those two classes, every plat run bar 1 has been with random classes. Player skill is very important, that is my point, it should be about that

I am glad you agree, it IS about player skill, the point is that especially with the ghost, you can have LOW player skill and still be immortal damage dealing god. that is the whole point, it needs balancing

if you are not good enough on other classes, I suggest you drop down a level, learn how to play with them, then you will be fine again.

Have a good day

Hah! Spoken like someone who has never played with any good players. (And also never played with Jay).

Here's a fun fact: I'm 10 x better at this game than you will ever be. I play just about every kit in the game from time to time, the GI just so happens to be my favourite class. (I never use the TGI). The TGI is what I like to call 'baby's first gold' class. (Similar to the kroguard) in that it's very easy not to die on. But if you played with me on a TGI, you could name any other class and I can guarantee I would outscore you. Why? Because I'm better than you.

The last part about 'not being good enough on other classes' is laughable. Seeing as I play (and have stated several times already) just about every class in the game.

I suggest you l2play, and learn who you're talking to before saying silly things. 

Dude, let's face it - you play GI almost exclusively.  Who do you think you're trying to fool?  We've seen all the tricks the full-time GIs play to try and convince people the GI isn't OP.  Pretending that you play all of the other classes in the game frequently are are good with all of them is one of the oldest and most common.

The other is downplaying the skill required to play other classes, while at the same time implying that the GI requires more skill than any other class.

Oh, and then there's the "I don't play the GI because he's extra-powerful, I play him because I like his voice/color scheme/whatever"

Hahahaha, it's funny you act like like nobody has seen your type before.

[nSquared75]

Ever thought that many use him because he is new? Such a large number of players have not even unlocked the thing yet, a Nerf Call has started. Freaking kit has has been out just over a week. Most who have him have high or full manifests meaning they have already played most or all of the other kits. THEY ARE NEW! They are gonna be played and played a lot.

Freaking nerf guy are like the little kids who get jealous over their friends new toy so, they have to break it to make themselves feel better.