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[lfc19titles]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

lfc19titles wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

lfc19titles wrote...

If you got outscored like that then you need to improve

You are wrong

I can tell you are one of those two users who play those classes and thats it. Ok, I rarely play those two classes, every plat run bar 1 has been with random classes. Player skill is very important, that is my point, it should be about that

I am glad you agree, it IS about player skill, the point is that especially with the ghost, you can have LOW player skill and still be immortal damage dealing god. that is the whole point, it needs balancing

if you are not good enough on other classes, I suggest you drop down a level, learn how to play with them, then you will be fine again.

Have a good day

Hah! Spoken like someone who has never played with any good players. (And also never played with Jay).

Here's a fun fact: I'm 10 x better at this game than you will ever be. I play just about every kit in the game from time to time, the GI just so happens to be my favourite class. (I never use the TGI). The TGI is what I like to call 'baby's first gold' class. (Similar to the kroguard) in that it's very easy not to die on. But if you played with me on a TGI, you could name any other class and I can guarantee I would outscore you. Why? Because I'm better than you.

The last part about 'not being good enough on other classes' is laughable. Seeing as I play (and have stated several times already) just about every class in the game.

I suggest you l2play, and learn who you're talking to before saying silly things. 

Wow, someone is very insecure, you were and  still are wrong. You came here to launch personal attacks on two people, you shot yourself with a silly post or two, now you are just running around like a 10 year old at a playground shouting things.

As I said, go to gold when they are nerfed, I promise you, there are helpful players who will help you learn to use other classes, after that, you will be fine. No hard feelings ok? no need to derail a thread or anything

Have a good day and relax pal.

 

Well at first I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. (Even though my more cynical side told me you were a troll). But that post shows that giving the benefit of the doubt is silly.

Troll. 

And I'm not insecure. I'm just an arrogant elitist DB.

Relax as I said, your posts suggest you are insecure. But really I don't care, look  keep it on topic

there will be other classes for you to use eventually.

[lfc19titles]

Jiovanie- wrote...

The Destroyer was nerfed, so that gives incentive to nerf the Turian Infiltrator? That's a weak argument; I'm starting to think that very few people on this forum are capable of making cohesive arguments. I'm beginning to think that ME3's MP should become a PVP at this rate.

Where on earth did you get this?

my post was a shock, I expected the ghost to be nerfed ASAP as that class is a game breaker, then the GI slightly, eventually the destroyer as well. Demooooo was a bit of an out of the blue for me.

But no is the aswer to your question, I do not expect an automatic nerf because of the destroyer, infact I rarely use him, I expect them to prioritise the issues that need fixing first that need it

[ryoldschool]

Sirian - I am a bit confused by your signature and how it relates to this discussion, which to me indicates that you actually play the GI a lot?

Your argument reminds me of the thread my friend capn233 posted saying that the GI + Piranha was a terrible combination and to avoid it at all cost. He made that thread before they nerfed it the first time, and yes he was sarcastic, because he told me how powerful it was.....

[robarcool]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

lfc19titles wrote...

If you got outscored like that then you need to improve

You are wrong

I can tell you are one of those two users who play those classes and thats it. Ok, I rarely play those two classes, every plat run bar 1 has been with random classes. Player skill is very important, that is my point, it should be about that

I am glad you agree, it IS about player skill, the point is that especially with the ghost, you can have LOW player skill and still be immortal damage dealing god. that is the whole point, it needs balancing

if you are not good enough on other classes, I suggest you drop down a level, learn how to play with them, then you will be fine again.

Have a good day

Hah! Spoken like someone who has never played with any good players. (And also never played with Jay).

Here's a fun fact: I'm 10 x better at this game than you will ever be. I play just about every kit in the game from time to time, the GI just so happens to be my favourite class. (I never use the TGI). The TGI is what I like to call 'baby's first gold' class. (Similar to the kroguard) in that it's very easy not to die on. But if you played with me on a TGI, you could name any other class and I can guarantee I would outscore you. Why? Because I'm better than you.

The last part about 'not being good enough on other classes' is laughable. Seeing as I play (and have stated several times already) just about every class in the game.

I suggest you l2play, and learn who you're talking to before saying silly things. 

Spoken like a boss!

[Immortal Strife]

Jack Crapper wrote...
You know, I have heard this and always believed this to be true.  However, I did a Plat solo with the Ghost, and when I cloaked and moved to flank enemies, they were looking and shooting at the position I was last.  I had assumed they would be able to track you no matter what, even cloaked. 

Of course, there were times an Atlas or Banshee would hit me with their magical powers while I was running from one hidden location to another while cloaked.

Also, with a Cyclonic Modulator IV, you can eat a Banshee's warp without dropping your shields.  After all, it boosts your shields by the base amount, which is relatively high on Geth.

Bioware confirmed that enemies are more likely to track your location in cloak if you are either the last man standing or soloing. 

I am aware that a GI can tank with a cyclonic mod IV, his base shield is 750 add a cyclonic mod IV (150%) and his shield jumps to 1875 then add the 183 shield that you get from rank 2 of the fitness tree and the grand sum is 2058...Tanky indeed. Of course HM reduces this total. The fact is Cyclonic modulators completely make the fitness tree pointless. Is this the GI's fault or the op cyclonic modulators?

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 25 octobre 2012 - 08:08 .

[robarcool]

NP. I am seeing OP do nothing but say it is OP, nerf it. It is clearly a revenge nerf thread. Someone's favorite class got nerfed, so now they are getting their frustration out.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

Sirian - I am a bit confused by your signature and how it relates to this discussion, which to me indicates that you actually play the GI a lot?

Your argument reminds me of the thread my friend capn233 posted saying that the GI + Piranha was a terrible combination and to avoid it at all cost. He made that thread before they nerfed it the first time, and yes he was sarcastic, because he told me how powerful it was.....

 

I do play the GI quite often. It's my favourite class. But it is far from the only class I use. And it is far from overpowered. 

My signature is a reference to people like the OP who believe/assert that playing a GI takes no skill.

Quite often = 99% of the time.

Clearly you wouldn't think the GI is OP, given how much you play it.  You haven't played the other classes enough to have any basis for comparison!

[robarcool]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

Sirian - I am a bit confused by your signature and how it relates to this discussion, which to me indicates that you actually play the GI a lot?

Your argument reminds me of the thread my friend capn233 posted saying that the GI + Piranha was a terrible combination and to avoid it at all cost. He made that thread before they nerfed it the first time, and yes he was sarcastic, because he told me how powerful it was.....

 

I do play the GI quite often. It's my favourite class. But it is far from the only class I use. And it is far from overpowered. 

My signature is a reference to people like the OP who believe/assert that playing a GI takes no skill.

Quite often = 99% of the time.

Clearly you wouldn't think the GI is OP, given how much you play it.  You haven't played the other classes enough to have any basis for comparison!

I have outscored people using Krogan Sentinel, when at times I can't outsocre them using infiltrator. Tell me Krentinel is OP. Sirian has posted speedruns of other classes if you haven't noticed.

[Major Durza]

lfc19titles wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

The GI is not OP. Nothing in this game is.

The day they nerf the GI is the day I stop playing this game.

Kidding?  Can't tell.

 

No I'm not kidding. If you think the GI is OP it's because you're a rubbish player with no adaptability or versatility. Or because you just jumped on the 'GI is OP' bandwagon.

Wrong on both accounts.  I play almost all characters in the game, other than the Novaguard (whom I never touched even during demo days until a couple of weeks ago).  I actually play Infiltrators the least.  I also don't care about bandwagons and am not an extremist on either side of nerf or anti-nerf.  However, I do have to admit that the GI really is OP.  I've already stated why in other posts.  I am not calling for a nerf, and I'd hate to see him change, especially due to the collateral damage of any nerf he might receive.  I'm just being honest here. 

Record holding speedruns all include a GI (sometimes paired with a QMI) other than the Kroguard Geth Reegar solos.
No one is impressed with a solo, even at Platinum level, when a GI is used.  Why is that?

He's got the best damage dealing power synergy in the game.
TC, giving damage boosts, survivability (mitigating any decrease in shields from HM), and shortening cooldowns of his Proxy Mines, allowing him to carry the heaviest of guns with virtually no penalty
HM, giving damage boosts, ROF boosts, Accuracy Boosts, Speed Boosts, & wallhack to top it off
PM, good damage, amazing debuff

What does any of this have to do with my ability to play or presence or absence of adaptability or versatility?  Why even turn this into a personal attack?  Why not just state your case as to why he isn't OP.

 

Never said I was referring to you. If you took it as a personal attack then that's got to do with your own insecurities.

There are no OP classes in this game. It's all about player skill. If you were actually on a decent platform I'd ask you for a game to prove my point. But I guess that won't happen.  

He's not OP in any way, shape or form. I can perform just as well with a number of other classes, including but not limited to:

Drell Adept
N7 Destroyer
Turian Sentinel
Turian Soldier
Human Soldier
QMI
QME
Paladin
Krogan Soldier
Batarian Soldier
TGI
N7 Slayer
Novaguard

I could go on, but then I basically would've listed every class in the game. 

Basically, player skill > class/weapon. I'm an extremely good player. But earlier today, Jay outscored me (when I was using a GI) using a Drellguard with the Eagle. Don't ever try to tell me that class or weapon x is overpowered, because you're wasting your time.

If you got outscored like that then you need to improve

You are wrong

I can tell you are one of those two users who play those classes and thats it. Ok, I rarely play those two classes, every plat run bar 1 has been with random classes. Player skill is very important, that is my point, it should be about that

I am glad you agree, it IS about player skill, the point is that especially with the ghost, you can have LOW player skill and still be immortal damage dealing god. that is the whole point, it needs balancing

if you are not good enough on other classes, I suggest you drop down a level, learn how to play with them, then you will be fine again.

Have a good day

Clearly you have never played with Jay.
Lemme put it this way.  Before patch, I was sprinting around on Firebase Jade with a Vorcha with a Reegar X, AP Ammo III, Shotgun Amp V, Shotgun Rail Amp III, Bloodlust for full regen, and flamer for burst damage.  Melting Gold bosses full pell-mell.
Jay Hoxatron outscored me by a few thousand points... with a Drell Adept and a weak pistol.
You don't see him complaining that DA is OP, even though he will maul your score with one.

So no, skill>class.  Lots of noobs fail with the Ghost, it is a noobs First Gold, much like the Kroguard.

nSquared75 wrote...

Ever thought that many use him because he is new? Such a large number of players have not even unlocked the thing yet, a Nerf Call has started. Freaking kit has has been out just over a week. Most who have him have high or full manifests meaning they have already played most or all of the other kits. THEY ARE NEW! They are gonna be played and played a lot. 

Freaking nerf guy are like the little kids who get jealous over their friends new toy so, they have to break it to make themselves feel better.

Pretty much this.  Like the Vorcha, this fad will fade.
Played right, the Vorcha are many times more OP than the Ghost, and infinitely more survivable.

[lfc19titles]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

Sirian - I am a bit confused by your signature and how it relates to this discussion, which to me indicates that you actually play the GI a lot?

Your argument reminds me of the thread my friend capn233 posted saying that the GI + Piranha was a terrible combination and to avoid it at all cost. He made that thread before they nerfed it the first time, and yes he was sarcastic, because he told me how powerful it was.....

 

I do play the GI quite often. It's my favourite class. But it is far from the only class I use. And it is far from overpowered. 

My signature is a reference to people like the OP who believe/assert that playing a GI takes no skill.

Quite often = 99% of the time.

Clearly you wouldn't think the GI is OP, given how much you play it.  You haven't played the other classes enough to have any basis for comparison!

 

That's quite the obvious troll you have going there sonny. Might want to attempt to disguise it a bit next time if you're after a proper reaction. 

It is astonishing, you are doing to others, (two guys I have seen) what you are crying the victim about. As I said, I know you are upset but you can learn to play other classes, people will help you. Relax, you seem to be having a go at everyone here, believe me, you are not doing yourself any favours.

[Kingston Atticus]

lfc19titles wrote...

SalvationThroughDestruction wrote...

Weren't you playing as a Ghost on Platinum/Hydra with me? ^^

Lmao, yes, but I play him sometimes because he is wayy OP

the dude is bad ass, did you see my black gear on him? I still want him nerfed, I will keep using him...

the guy is wayyyy OP

 See here's the problem. The people who scream for a character nerf, are the ONES who over use that character. IF you have a problem with a character instead of complaining about it being too easy in a TEAM game, QUIT using IT! And I know you are one o those who thinks you know everything just because you are on a pc, but it is VERY easy to mod game files on pc. So since pc users can and do alter games to give themselves an unfair advantage, wouldn't that make Pc the bad system?
 
You see system arguements can and WILL get turned around on you, so that is a bad idea to use. IF you can prove mediocre players can only score great with the 2 Characters you claim to be op, then prove it. Otherwise it is just YOUR opinion and no reason to be mean or take it personally if people do NOT agree.

 That said, they HAVE nerfed the Gi twice. Anymore would ruin the other characters who share their powers/abilities since they all use the same coding. Nerfing the stim packs would in turn nerf them for the MUCH weaker Havoc! Witch would cause people to scream for a big Havoc buff. Nerfing GI anymore would require a reworking to buff the other 2 geth and any others that share those powers/abilites.

[lfc19titles]

Major Durza wrote...

lfc19titles wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

The GI is not OP. Nothing in this game is.

The day they nerf the GI is the day I stop playing this game.

Kidding?  Can't tell.

 

No I'm not kidding. If you think the GI is OP it's because you're a rubbish player with no adaptability or versatility. Or because you just jumped on the 'GI is OP' bandwagon.

Wrong on both accounts.  I play almost all characters in the game, other than the Novaguard (whom I never touched even during demo days until a couple of weeks ago).  I actually play Infiltrators the least.  I also don't care about bandwagons and am not an extremist on either side of nerf or anti-nerf.  However, I do have to admit that the GI really is OP.  I've already stated why in other posts.  I am not calling for a nerf, and I'd hate to see him change, especially due to the collateral damage of any nerf he might receive.  I'm just being honest here. 

Record holding speedruns all include a GI (sometimes paired with a QMI) other than the Kroguard Geth Reegar solos.
No one is impressed with a solo, even at Platinum level, when a GI is used.  Why is that?

He's got the best damage dealing power synergy in the game.
TC, giving damage boosts, survivability (mitigating any decrease in shields from HM), and shortening cooldowns of his Proxy Mines, allowing him to carry the heaviest of guns with virtually no penalty
HM, giving damage boosts, ROF boosts, Accuracy Boosts, Speed Boosts, & wallhack to top it off
PM, good damage, amazing debuff

What does any of this have to do with my ability to play or presence or absence of adaptability or versatility?  Why even turn this into a personal attack?  Why not just state your case as to why he isn't OP.

 

Never said I was referring to you. If you took it as a personal attack then that's got to do with your own insecurities.

There are no OP classes in this game. It's all about player skill. If you were actually on a decent platform I'd ask you for a game to prove my point. But I guess that won't happen.  

He's not OP in any way, shape or form. I can perform just as well with a number of other classes, including but not limited to:

Drell Adept
N7 Destroyer
Turian Sentinel
Turian Soldier
Human Soldier
QMI
QME
Paladin
Krogan Soldier
Batarian Soldier
TGI
N7 Slayer
Novaguard

I could go on, but then I basically would've listed every class in the game. 

Basically, player skill > class/weapon. I'm an extremely good player. But earlier today, Jay outscored me (when I was using a GI) using a Drellguard with the Eagle. Don't ever try to tell me that class or weapon x is overpowered, because you're wasting your time.

If you got outscored like that then you need to improve

You are wrong

I can tell you are one of those two users who play those classes and thats it. Ok, I rarely play those two classes, every plat run bar 1 has been with random classes. Player skill is very important, that is my point, it should be about that

I am glad you agree, it IS about player skill, the point is that especially with the ghost, you can have LOW player skill and still be immortal damage dealing god. that is the whole point, it needs balancing

if you are not good enough on other classes, I suggest you drop down a level, learn how to play with them, then you will be fine again.

Have a good day

Clearly you have never played with Jay.
Lemme put it this way.  Before patch, I was sprinting around on Firebase Jade with a Vorcha with a Reegar X, AP Ammo III, Shotgun Amp V, Shotgun Rail Amp III, Bloodlust for full regen, and flamer for burst damage.  Melting Gold bosses full pell-mell.
Jay Hoxatron outscored me by a few thousand points... with a Drell Adept and a weak pistol.
You don't see him complaining that DA is OP, even though he will maul your score with one.

So no, skill>class.  Lots of noobs fail with the Ghost, it is a noobs First Gold, much like the Kroguard.

nSquared75 wrote...

Ever thought that many use him because he is new? Such a large number of players have not even unlocked the thing yet, a Nerf Call has started. Freaking kit has has been out just over a week. Most who have him have high or full manifests meaning they have already played most or all of the other kits. THEY ARE NEW! They are gonna be played and played a lot. 

Freaking nerf guy are like the little kids who get jealous over their friends new toy so, they have to break it to make themselves feel better.

Pretty much this.  Like the Vorcha, this fad will fade.
Played right, the Vorcha are many times more OP than the Ghost, and infinitely more survivable.

Matey, I have not played as much as I used due to do work and such but my two fav classes are the Drell Vanguard and Adept, the one thing I have tried to do is 200 waves on each, I know they can do a huge number of points. You don't have to tell me that, as I said before

No class should have instant huge shields with a damage boost per rounds, its not balanced.

I am glad you are sticking up for your friend, help him after the hopefuly balances on Plat.

I am impressed he was playing gold, I have him set for a silver player max.

[Chi_Mangetsu]

Not sure why GI are considered so OP. They're solid but aren't particularly good against armor (save for a sniper build, but I like the melee build better) and have the staying power of wet tissue paper. Ghost has the same weakness against armored targets but moreso since they don't get sniper rifle bonus, and Stim Pack is only so useful. If a Scion gets a bead on you, the dam resistance doesn't matter much on higher difficulties. Call me old fashioned, but I like the original turians better.

Modifié par Chi_Mangetsu, 25 octobre 2012 - 08:35 .

[GreyWardenNathan]

arent stim packs very similar to biotic charge? especially on the kroguard?

[lfc19titles]

Kingston Atticus wrote...

lfc19titles wrote...

SalvationThroughDestruction wrote...

Weren't you playing as a Ghost on Platinum/Hydra with me? ^^

Lmao, yes, but I play him sometimes because he is wayy OP

the dude is bad ass, did you see my black gear on him? I still want him nerfed, I will keep using him...

the guy is wayyyy OP

 See here's the problem. The people who scream for a character nerf, are the ONES who over use that character. IF you have a problem with a character instead of complaining about it being too easy in a TEAM game, QUIT using IT! And I know you are one o those who thinks you know everything just because you are on a pc, but it is VERY easy to mod game files on pc. So since pc users can and do alter games to give themselves an unfair advantage, wouldn't that make Pc the bad system?
 
You see system arguements can and WILL get turned around on you, so that is a bad idea to use. IF you can prove mediocre players can only score great with the 2 Characters you claim to be op, then prove it. Otherwise it is just YOUR opinion and no reason to be mean or take it personally if people do NOT agree.

 That said, they HAVE nerfed the Gi twice. Anymore would ruin the other characters who share their powers/abilities since they all use the same coding. Nerfing the stim packs would in turn nerf them for the MUCH weaker Havoc! Witch would cause people to scream for a big Havoc buff. Nerfing GI anymore would require a reworking to buff the other 2 geth and any others that share those powers/abilites.

here is the problem, you don't read, I used him once, first time on plat because I needed to know how he was, I needed to know what the threads were about, I needed to know why majority had started to use him

then I found out...

after that I went back to my drell Vanguard, then my fat little Engineer and krogans. Stim packs are OP, they need to be nerfed everywhere

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

Sirian - I am a bit confused by your signature and how it relates to this discussion, which to me indicates that you actually play the GI a lot?

Your argument reminds me of the thread my friend capn233 posted saying that the GI + Piranha was a terrible combination and to avoid it at all cost. He made that thread before they nerfed it the first time, and yes he was sarcastic, because he told me how powerful it was.....

 

I do play the GI quite often. It's my favourite class. But it is far from the only class I use. And it is far from overpowered. 

My signature is a reference to people like the OP who believe/assert that playing a GI takes no skill.

Quite often = 99% of the time.

Clearly you wouldn't think the GI is OP, given how much you play it.  You haven't played the other classes enough to have any basis for comparison!

 

That's quite the obvious troll you have going there sonny. Might want to attempt to disguise it a bit next time if you're after a proper reaction. 

No trolling dude, just calling it like I see it.  You're an "extremely good player" in your own mind, which is all that's important.  

[lfc19titles]

GreyWardenNathan wrote...

arent stim packs very similar to biotic charge? especially on the kroguard?

far better, and safer.

No cooldown issue aswell, can be restored easily to spam

used with TC, just imagine, an invinsible super powered dude on stim drugs, just imagine....

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Immortal Strife wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...
You know, I have heard this and always believed this to be true.  However, I did a Plat solo with the Ghost, and when I cloaked and moved to flank enemies, they were looking and shooting at the position I was last.  I had assumed they would be able to track you no matter what, even cloaked. 

Of course, there were times an Atlas or Banshee would hit me with their magical powers while I was running from one hidden location to another while cloaked.

Also, with a Cyclonic Modulator IV, you can eat a Banshee's warp without dropping your shields.  After all, it boosts your shields by the base amount, which is relatively high on Geth.

Bioware confirmed that enemies are more likely to track your location in cloak if you are either the last man standing or soloing. 

I am aware that a GI can tank with a cyclonic mod IV, his base shield is 750 add a cyclonic mod IV (150%) and his shield jumps to 1875 then add the 183 shield that you get from rank 2 of the fitness tree and the grand sum is 2058...Tanky indeed. Of course HM reduces this total. The fact is Cyclonic modulators completely make the fitness tree pointless. Is this the GI's fault or the op cyclonic modulators?

It is simply a rebuttal to the numerous "Glass Cannon" claims.