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****Mage Supporters Unite!!!****

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:19

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It is time to for us to unite, throw away our differences, unite against the injustice!

1. The Harrowing is demonic ritual, clearly the Templar and the Chantry forcing us to face demon by making us get possessed by demon. They have deadlings with demons and throw us at the mercy of demons. Yet they feel justified.

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2. even if we are possessed by demons, there is a way to cure us, but the templar and Chantry deny it and make it exclusive. It is proven that if we are possessed bwillingly there is no problem, just sent group of mages into the fade to kill the demons. it just if we are possessed forcibly then the option is to kill, that is what they are doing in the Harrowing, they find an excuse to kill us. Take a note that Connor didn't possessed forcibly, but willingly after reading Jowan's book.

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3. The Templar role is to protect the Chantry interest, they are the army of the Chantry, an army of oppressor. They make enemy of us Mages, meaning they are our enemy. They are hypocrite, they claim to protect people from us and us from the people, while actially the people don't need protection, as well we don't need them. We mages are still human (or elves), we can think what is good and what is wrong, we have responsibily, we all have heart and consience. We are not dangerous and the people no need to fear us. The Templar think they are holy and that makes us unholly, while we all born everyday as what the nature demanded. And templar use magic themselves.

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4. They have at least a solution to fight against Mind Control, but they snuff it in the store room and keep it secret. Why? It is because they want to maintain status quo. They want the threat will always exist and so they can put fear to everyone, that is how they control and making people depend on them. Lithany of Andralla is just a simple spell, any Mages (and non Mage) can recite it.

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garrusfan1
Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:22

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I agree with you I hated the Templars in DA2 and DAO (except Allistar but then again he wasn't a full Templar)

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:25

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The ones in Origins were fairly aggressive, but at least they were rational. Dragon Age 2 it seems like almost everybody drank the wrong water and went crazy.

Most of the Templars are bloodthirsty psychopaths, and most of the mages have the willpower of a starved child inside a candy store with nobody to supervise them.

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:26

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With all these mages vs templars threads, wouldn't it be hilarious if the main conflict in the Inquisition was just the Orliasian civil war...? Image IPB
But, yeah, I support mages.Image IPB Being awesome isn't a justifible reason to be shoved into the tower and not allowed to have family.

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:29

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I'm all for supporting (non-extremist) mages but...

garrusfan1 wrote...

I agree with you I hated the Templars in DA2 and DAO (except Allistar but then again he wasn't a full Templar)


Why hate the templars? Sure some templars had more than a stick up their ***, but it's the Chantry itself that breeds (or at the very least allows an organization in their supposed control, to have)  this almost innate hostility many templars have against mages.

If anyone's the root of the problem- it's the damned Chantry.

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Medhia Nox
Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:43

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If I thought the mage supporters on these forums weren't really just asking for mage supremacy - I'd support them (I exclusively play mages) .

The Harrowing is essential - what's wrong with the Harrowing is that it's a secret and we're never told why. I suppose a reform to the Harrowing where the mage is given a standard level of education as a mage - and then they can choose between the Harrowing or Tranquility or a third option where they are allowed to work in the Circle for the Circle... if they are too weak to pass the Harrowing and don't want to submit to Tranquility.

Weak mages are a threat to mages and non-mages alike. They're skin suits in waiting for powerful demons. They cannot be allowed to simply wander around towns.

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:45

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garrusfan1 wrote...
I agree with you I hated the Templars in DA2 and DAO (except Allistar but then again he wasn't a full Templar)


Thanks
There are a lot of other points and in game proof, but i give four undeniable points first to show that the Templar and Chantry are the evil ones, demons disguised as angels. They are fighting against the nature, by all mean they are fighting against God themselves.

Cullen clearly stated that it is a loosing battle, how they want to fight against nature and against God? They just can't. Everyday Mages are born in Thedas and that is normal, that is natural, why the hell they want to fight against it?

They consume Lyrium, a poisonous mineral that assumed to give them magical ability to against magic, that practice is as UNNATURAL as it sound. yet they believed that they somewhat have Divine approval or get blessed with what they are doing. Why not the God Himself give them such power? Eh?

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:47

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I support peace between both factions if possible, most of the Templars aren't "too bad" just misguided. But if peace is not an option, then mages.. fighting for freedom every time.

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:48

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Mages have to be trained to assure that they do not lose themselves to demons and risk everyone. Templars have to exist to hunt down and kill evil mages and abominations. That does not mean that good mages should be locked up and treated like animals. The templar's eye may be a certain degree of necessary, but the Circle is not the way to do it.

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:48

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Ahh - so you're a supremacist.

You think the Maker gives mages their power? And if the Maker gives it to the mages - then they must be deserving? And if you don't get it - you're undeserving.

This mind set is going to be everything I'm fighting against in DA 3 (depending on what the game is about)

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:51

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Medhia Nox wrote...
Weak mages are a threat to mages and non-mages alike. They're skin suits in waiting for powerful demons. They cannot be allowed to simply wander around towns.


I disagree, there is NO weak mages and strong Mages, there is always Mages.Weak and strong is just Chantry propaganda to justify the Harrowing and the existence of the Circle.

Every mages in time will come to their power, so what is weak or strong? None.

it just willingly to get possessed, or forcibly get possessed. That is all. And if willingly there is a solution, group of Mages going into the Fade and kill the demon. there is only a LITTLE chance that a Mage possessed forcibly, unless if THEY ARE GOING THROUGH HARROWING, that is forcing a mage to get possessed and see if can resist it

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:51

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Oh I didn't hate all Templars I liked the templar you talk to in lothering in origins at the beggining and I think sir thrask in DA2. I hated how mages were treated like criminals not just by the Templars but by a lot of people. So yeah it wasn't just the Templars

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:54

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@Nizaris1: Then you're ignoring the Codex - and the conversation between the Warden and Jowan.

Jowan only gains power because he turns to profane magic - before that, he couldn't even light a candle - and he admits it.

If you support Blood Magic - that even further separates us.

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:54

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I support the City Guard!!!

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:56

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Medhia Nox wrote...

@Nizaris1: Then you're ignoring the Codex - and the conversation between the Warden and Jowan.

Yeah, she does that. There is really no point trying to argue with her.

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:56

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Okay in my opinion they should have the circles. However it wouldn't be like they are now I would say young mages should go there to train and after a point like when they are a certain age or after they pass their training they should go home and live normal lives. However they would be allowed to leave after they were there for a max of 5 or 10 years. So the circles would be for training and the Templars or whoever was watching them would not be allowed to be so cruel to them.

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:57

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Nizaris1 wrote...



it just willingly to get possessed, or forcibly get possessed. That is all. And if willingly there is a solution, group of Mages going into the Fade and kill the demon. there is only a LITTLE chance that a Mage possessed forcibly, unless if THEY ARE GOING THROUGH HARROWING, that is forcing a mage to get possessed and see if can resist it


Uldred didn't want to be possessed. He summoned a demon to aid him against the other faction of the Circle. He was forcibly possessed.

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 04:57

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Origins showed that there were good people in the Order of Templars who believed that they were doing the right thing, but if the opportunity arises to help mages maintain their autonomy, I'll fight for their cause. I play mage characters; while they aren't the same, they do disagree with the Chantry controlled Circles.

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 05:00

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Medhia Nox wrote...

@Nizaris1: Then you're ignoring the Codex - and the conversation between the Warden and Jowan.

Jowan only gains power because he turns to profane magic - before that, he couldn't even light a candle - and he admits it.

If you support Blood Magic - that even further separates us.


There is many factors, not meaning Jowan is WEAK, maybe Jowan just being lazy, not focus, his talent is not polished or he have personal problem. He turn to Blood Magic believing he will become greater than the Warden. it is out of jealousy.

still, if Jowan not learning Blood Magic (IN WHICH IN THE CIRCLE LIBRARY), he is not a threat at all, isn't it? ;)

Note : There was a section of Blood magic books in the Circle library befrore removed by Irving because there is suspicion on some student practicing it

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 05:03

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hhh89 wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...



it just willingly to get possessed, or forcibly get possessed. That is all. And if willingly there is a solution, group of Mages going into the Fade and kill the demon. there is only a LITTLE chance that a Mage possessed forcibly, unless if THEY ARE GOING THROUGH HARROWING, that is forcing a mage to get possessed and see if can resist it


Uldred didn't want to be possessed. He summoned a demon to aid him against the other faction of the Circle. He was forcibly possessed.


That is why the only option is to kill him (in which Templar themselves failed to do so and run as cowards)

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 05:10

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Nizaris1 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...



it just willingly to get possessed, or forcibly get possessed. That is all. And if willingly there is a solution, group of Mages going into the Fade and kill the demon. there is only a LITTLE chance that a Mage possessed forcibly, unless if THEY ARE GOING THROUGH HARROWING, that is forcing a mage to get possessed and see if can resist it


Uldred didn't want to be possessed. He summoned a demon to aid him against the other faction of the Circle. He was forcibly possessed.


That is why the only option is to kill him (in which Templar themselves failed to do so and run as cowards)


Lots of templars died trying to stop Uldred. As of the time the Warden arrives they're preparing to charge into the breach with high chance of death in order to stop the threat. You're being awfully dismissive of their sacrifices and willingness to sacrifice their own lives for the good of others.

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 05:10

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Oh - another mage thinking he can control demons - but it backfires gloriously.

How shocking - let's just keep using blood magic and summoning them and sticking our heads up our collective asses.

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And "lazy" and "unfocused" are weaknesses.

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 05:11

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Medhia Nox wrote...

If I thought the mage supporters on these forums weren't really just asking for mage supremacy - I'd support them (I exclusively play mages) .

The Harrowing is essential - what's wrong with the Harrowing is that it's a secret and we're never told why. I suppose a reform to the Harrowing where the mage is given a standard level of education as a mage - and then they can choose between the Harrowing or Tranquility or a third option where they are allowed to work in the Circle for the Circle... if they are too weak to pass the Harrowing and don't want to submit to Tranquility.

Weak mages are a threat to mages and non-mages alike. They're skin suits in waiting for powerful demons. They cannot be allowed to simply wander around towns.


Autonomy from the Chantry and the Order of Templars doesn't mean supremacy.

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 05:19

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I hate bad and extremist Mages and Templars and I love good and reasonable Mages and Templars and, Cullen!<3

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Posté 25 octobre 2012 - 05:22

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@LobselVith8: You are most definitely not who I am referring to.
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