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[dragoneffect7]

In DA2 the red lyrium showed up during the deep roads with the idol, but then didn't show up again ubtil the end with Meridith's sword. I think the red lyrium should have a greater importance in DA3 since if it can make a templar have super agility and the ability to bring statues to life, think of what a mage could do with it . What do think of this?

[WotanAnubis]

I think red lyrium is best forgotten. Because it was silly.

There's still plenty to explore with blue lyrium.

[garrusfan1]

Hmm maybe that red Lyrium possessed the person causing the trouble

[Terrorize69]

Its likely the Templars will have found out about the power it granted Merideth and try harness it for their war.

[Pinely]

I'm more interested in the negative effects of the red lyrium. It seems that excessive exposure to it turns the individual to stone of some kind. The Profane became stone creatures, presumably through gradual exposure or consumption. Meredith turns into stone outright, presumably because she made excessive use of the lyrium idol/sword.

The dwarves worship the stone, perhaps the idol and the red lyrium was an early attempt at being close to the stone, in almost the same way the Tevinter Magisters attempted to be closer to the Maker. Or it could be an experiment to create proto-golems long before Paragon Caridin had the idea. The idea of replacing flesh with stone isn't exactly revolutionary and offers obvious advantages, could be that Caridin wasn't the first to have that idea and connect it to lyrium.

[thats1evildude]

My own suspicion is that Meredith's use of the lyrium idol fuels DA3's plot, as the powers that be have a vested interest in ensuring there are no more ancient evil artifacts popping up to cause trouble.

[Palipride47]

I think it will go the way of the cicada looking "children" in DAA. A pretty big plot point that we'll never see again.

[mousestalker]

Is lyrium to DA what kryptonite is to Superman?

Will we eventually see green, gold, teal and burnt umber lyrium?

[Frocharocha]

Pinely wrote...

I'm more interested in the negative effects of the red lyrium. It seems that excessive exposure to it turns the individual to stone of some kind. The Profane became stone creatures, presumably through gradual exposure or consumption. Meredith turns into stone outright, presumably because she made excessive use of the lyrium idol/sword.

The dwarves worship the stone, perhaps the idol and the red lyrium was an early attempt at being close to the stone, in almost the same way the Tevinter Magisters attempted to be closer to the Maker. Or it could be an experiment to create proto-golems long before Paragon Caridin had the idea. The idea of replacing flesh with stone isn't exactly revolutionary and offers obvious advantages, could be that Caridin wasn't the first to have that idea and connect it to lyrium.

Good theory. I also foudn strange how pwoerfull the redl yrium was. It was able to turn statues into solderis by ataching lyrium at them. In the end, meredith turned into another monument for the gallows. 

[Palipride47]

Frocharocha wrote...

Good theory. I also foudn strange how pwoerfull the redl yrium was. It was able to turn statues into solderis by ataching lyrium at them. In the end, meredith turned into another monument for the gallows. 

I've always wondered if the red lyrium/idol actually did that, or if Varric was exagerrating and I basically just murdered a schizophrenic Knight Commander with a fancy sword. 

Varric's exxagerration is basically how I explain away the insanely fast combat and the waves of enemies that fall from the sky. Also the gibbing and the "mowing through lines of darkspawn" with more effiieiency than my "50 foot tall Corrupted Old God" slaying Warden. 

[Nashimura]

Palipride47 wrote...

Frocharocha wrote...

Good theory. I also foudn strange how pwoerfull the redl yrium was. It was able to turn statues into solderis by ataching lyrium at them. In the end, meredith turned into another monument for the gallows. 

I've always wondered if the red lyrium/idol actually did that, or if Varric was exagerrating and I basically just murdered a schizophrenic Knight Commander with a fancy sword. 

Varric's exxagerration is basically how I explain away the insanely fast combat and the waves of enemies that fall from the sky. Also the gibbing and the "mowing through lines of darkspawn" with more effiieiency than my "50 foot tall Corrupted Old God" slaying Warden. 

The warden was ten feet tall and shot lightning bolts out of his eyes to do that.

[esper]

Palipride47 wrote...

Frocharocha wrote...

Good theory. I also foudn strange how pwoerfull the redl yrium was. It was able to turn statues into solderis by ataching lyrium at them. In the end, meredith turned into another monument for the gallows. 

I've always wondered if the red lyrium/idol actually did that, or if Varric was exagerrating and I basically just murdered a schizophrenic Knight Commander with a fancy sword. 

Varric's exxagerration is basically how I explain away the insanely fast combat and the waves of enemies that fall from the sky. Also the gibbing and the "mowing through lines of darkspawn" with more effiieiency than my "50 foot tall Corrupted Old God" slaying Warden. 

I don't think her turning to stone was. I could totally buy that her lyrium sword backfired like that. But stone statues, yes, maybe.

[Rawgrim]

Red Lyrium is the gummiberry-juice of Dragon Age. Makes people bounce around in 50 foot leaps.

[Palipride47]

esper wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Frocharocha wrote...

Good theory. I also foudn strange how pwoerfull the redl yrium was. It was able to turn statues into solderis by ataching lyrium at them. In the end, meredith turned into another monument for the gallows. 

I've always wondered if the red lyrium/idol actually did that, or if Varric was exagerrating and I basically just murdered a schizophrenic Knight Commander with a fancy sword. 

Varric's exxagerration is basically how I explain away the insanely fast combat and the waves of enemies that fall from the sky. Also the gibbing and the "mowing through lines of darkspawn" with more effiieiency than my "50 foot tall Corrupted Old God" slaying Warden. 

I don't think her turning to stone was. I could totally buy that her lyrium sword backfired like that. But stone statues, yes, maybe.

I could see the "turning into a statue..." maybe. Not the powers of flight (or extreme jumping i.e. Superman before he learned how to fly) and the tunring of all the statues in the Gallows into metal monster golems. 

But, I can shoot fire out of my fingertips and heal arrows through the forehead, so.....eh. 

I'm just thinking that red lyrium will go the way of almost the entire plot of Awakening, either some dialogue mentions, or silence. (as we try so hard to forget.....)

Also, if all of that is true (even the jumping/flying bit), then it taking (in my playthrough)

1. Hawke
2. Carver
2. Anders 
3. Aveline
4. Isabela
5. Varric
6. Fenris
7. Donnic
8. Zevran
9. Nathaniel 

9 seemingly powerful people (remember, two/three Grey Wardens, guys!) to kill her makes Meredith the most insanely powerful villian ever. 

Modifié par Palipride47, 27 octobre 2012 - 12:41 .

[Plaintiff]

Palipride47 wrote...

I think it will go the way of the cicada looking "children" in DAA. A pretty big plot point that we'll never see again.

The Children were created by the Mother. There weren't that many to begin with so it's only expcted that they would become extinct when the only source of their creation was destroyed. Unless another Awakened broodmother shows up, which is of course a possibility, and one I wouldn't mind seeing, the 'how' and 'why' of the Children are purely academic questions.

That said, I would not be opposed to seeing them again.

Red Lyrium, on the other hand, strikes me as a pretty big deal. It can apparently give non-mages incredible superpowers which surpass the abilities of even the strongest mages we've seen in DA. Unless that was a function specific to the idol (or the entity that perhaps lived inside it?).

[Plaintiff]

Palipride47 wrote...

Frocharocha wrote...

Good theory. I also foudn strange how pwoerfull the redl yrium was. It was able to turn statues into solderis by ataching lyrium at them. In the end, meredith turned into another monument for the gallows. 

I've always wondered if the red lyrium/idol actually did that, or if Varric was exagerrating and I basically just murdered a schizophrenic Knight Commander with a fancy sword. 

Varric's exxagerration is basically how I explain away the insanely fast combat and the waves of enemies that fall from the sky. Also the gibbing and the "mowing through lines of darkspawn" with more effiieiency than my "50 foot tall Corrupted Old God" slaying Warden. 

"Varric lied" can't be used for everything, just like "magic did it" can't be used for everything. Even if it would make sense, it's just cheap and lazy storytelling to trot out the same excuse every single time. It's as bad as saying "And then he woke up, and it turned out it was ALL A DREAM".

Modifié par Plaintiff, 27 octobre 2012 - 12:43 .

[Palipride47]

Plaintiff wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Frocharocha wrote...

Good theory. I also foudn strange how pwoerfull the redl yrium was. It was able to turn statues into solderis by ataching lyrium at them. In the end, meredith turned into another monument for the gallows. 

I've always wondered if the red lyrium/idol actually did that, or if Varric was exagerrating and I basically just murdered a schizophrenic Knight Commander with a fancy sword. 

Varric's exxagerration is basically how I explain away the insanely fast combat and the waves of enemies that fall from the sky. Also the gibbing and the "mowing through lines of darkspawn" with more effiieiency than my "50 foot tall Corrupted Old God" slaying Warden. 

"Varric lied" cant be used for everything, just like "magic did it" can't be used for everything. Even if it would make sense, it's just cheap and lazy storytelling to trot out the same excuse every single time. It's as bad as saying "And then he woke up, and it turned out it was ALL A DREAM".

I'm not saying it is acceptable or alright. I'm worried that is how red lyrium will fall by the wayside. The implications of the Architect are barely mentioned in DA2 because DA2 is not about the darkspawn.

I'm wondering if that is what will happen to "red lyrium" if "red lyrium" isn't around to drive the story like it was in DA2. It would be a shame if that was the cop-out for the DA writers to never mention it. and the "Varric lied" excuse I give myself is to explain away gameplay (as in haha, a joke) 

But we do have to acknowledge Varric still is a sotryteller, and, frankly, even "you" don't really know what went on, because you are playing Hawke "after-the-fact" 

[Maria Caliban]

Was there some great mystery about the Children?

She was a broodmother and she popped-out darkspawn babies.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 27 octobre 2012 - 12:51 .

[Palipride47]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Was there some great mystery about the Children?

She was a broodmother and she popped-out darkspawn babies.

It was an Awakened broodmother birthing darkspawn no one had ever seen before. (abominations "even among darkspawn" that even other darkspawn avoid)

I guess I find that more curious (or at least, want to hear more about the Architect, the Diciples and what not) than other people 

[Maria Caliban]

Um, I never finished Awakening, so I don't know what the deal is with the Children. David said they looked much like regular Darkspawn babies. Since no one has seen a broodmother (that we know if) prior to DA:O, maybe people just hadn't see Darkspawn in their larval form?

[TheJediSaint]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Um, I never finished Awakening, so I don't know what the deal is with the Children. David said they looked much like regular Darkspawn babies. Since no one has seen a broodmother (that we know if) prior to DA:O, maybe people just hadn't see Darkspawn in their larval form?

Having played Awakening, yeah, that's prety much spot one, Maria.  

I think the only difference between the Mother's children, and the darkspawn that come out of "conventional" broodmothers is that the children are not connected to the "song", whatever it is.

[Palipride47]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Um, I never finished Awakening, so I don't know what the deal is with the Children. David said they looked much like regular Darkspawn babies. Since no one has seen a broodmother (that we know if) prior to DA:O, maybe people just hadn't see Darkspawn in their larval form?

I thought they had, that the Grey Wardens found out how the darkspawn numbers were growing. And one of your tasks in Awakening is to clear out a colony of broodmothers, and you encounter Legion of the Dead people who were trying to do that (and...umm...died). So, they do know broodmothers exists even before DAO.

And the Children don't turn into darkspawn, they turn into Childers,...... ah, oh well, I'll just accept that I'm the only one who still considers them a mystery.

I'll wait for DA4: Another Blight because we ran out of Ideas (Or Something) to hear about them, I just really liked everything about Awakening, from learning about the "Call", to exploring the implications of the Architect''s plan, a lot.  (because I'm a weirdo) 

Modifié par Palipride47, 27 octobre 2012 - 01:09 .

[Plaintiff]

Palipride47 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Frocharocha wrote...

Good theory. I also foudn strange how pwoerfull the redl yrium was. It was able to turn statues into solderis by ataching lyrium at them. In the end, meredith turned into another monument for the gallows. 

I've always wondered if the red lyrium/idol actually did that, or if Varric was exagerrating and I basically just murdered a schizophrenic Knight Commander with a fancy sword. 

Varric's exxagerration is basically how I explain away the insanely fast combat and the waves of enemies that fall from the sky. Also the gibbing and the "mowing through lines of darkspawn" with more effiieiency than my "50 foot tall Corrupted Old God" slaying Warden. 

"Varric lied" cant be used for everything, just like "magic did it" can't be used for everything. Even if it would make sense, it's just cheap and lazy storytelling to trot out the same excuse every single time. It's as bad as saying "And then he woke up, and it turned out it was ALL A DREAM".

I'm not saying it is acceptable or alright. I'm worried that is how red lyrium will fall by the wayside. The implications of the Architect are barely mentioned in DA2 because DA2 is not about the darkspawn.

I'm wondering if that is what will happen to "red lyrium" if "red lyrium" isn't around to drive the story like it was in DA2. It would be a shame if that was the cop-out for the DA writers to never mention it. and the "Varric lied" excuse I give myself is to explain away gameplay (as in haha, a joke) 

But we do have to acknowledge Varric still is a sotryteller, and, frankly, even "you" don't really know what went on, because you are playing Hawke "after-the-fact" 

Well Red Lyrium doesn't have to drive the story, but it could still be present. Templars or mages or another faction entirely might be trying to acquire some, in order to get an edge on the other participants in the continent-wide conflict.

[LobselVith8]

Palipride47 wrote...

I thought they had, that the Grey Wardens found out how the darkspawn numbers were growing. And one of your tasks in Awakening is to clear out a colony of broodmothers, and you encounter Legion of the Dead people who were trying to do that (and...umm...died). So, they do know broodmothers exists even before DAO.

And the Children don't turn into darkspawn, they turn into Childers,...... ah, oh well, I'll just accept that I'm the only one who still considers them a mystery.

I forgot about the Children; been so long since I played DA:A. I think the Children are still a mystery, since their inception was unusual (almost as strange as red lyrium).

Palipride47 wrote...

I'll wait for DA4: Another Blight because we ran out of Ideas (Or Something) to hear about them, I just really liked everything about Awakening, from learning about the "Call", to exploring the implications of the Architect''s plan, a lot.  (because I'm a weirdo) 

I take it you spared the Architect?

[Palipride47]

Plaintiff wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

"Varric lied" cant be used for everything, just like "magic did it" can't be used for everything. Even if it would make sense, it's just cheap and lazy storytelling to trot out the same excuse every single time. It's as bad as saying "And then he woke up, and it turned out it was ALL A DREAM".

I'm not saying it is acceptable or alright. I'm worried that is how red lyrium will fall by the wayside. The implications of the Architect are barely mentioned in DA2 because DA2 is not about the darkspawn.

I'm wondering if that is what will happen to "red lyrium" if "red lyrium" isn't around to drive the story like it was in DA2. It would be a shame if that was the cop-out for the DA writers to never mention it. and the "Varric lied" excuse I give myself is to explain away gameplay (as in haha, a joke) 

But we do have to acknowledge Varric still is a sotryteller, and, frankly, even "you" don't really know what went on, because you are playing Hawke "after-the-fact" 

Well Red Lyrium doesn't have to drive the story, but it could still be present. Templars or mages or another faction entirely might be trying to acquire some, in order to get an edge on the other participants in the continent-wide conflict.

But doesn't "red lyrium", which no one has seen before, from a thaig below the Deep Roads that wasn't supposed to exist, unackknoedged by the dwarves, filled with strange, magical artifacts and idols instead of Paragons deserves a little more "story" that just a weapon for the Templars.  

Even the First Warden is interested in the thaig, and is using the Grey Wardens to discourage exploration by others so they can explore it.

Seems like an awesome story that may get crushed under Mage/Templar  (because I really want to hear more!) 

LobselVith8 wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

I'll wait for DA4: Another Blight because we ran out of Ideas (Or Something) to hear about them, I just really liked everything about Awakening, from learning about the "Call", to exploring the implications of the Architect''s plan, a lot.  (because I'm a weirdo) 

I take it you spared the Architect?

I switch it up, because I want to and don't want to, and still haven't figured out which "side" I support more. 

(edit: killed the pyramid)

Modifié par Palipride47, 27 octobre 2012 - 01:44 .