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dreman9999 wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I already awnsered your question.

"And the consept of this  is that you have to get the meaning out of this,
Yes, you have to get the meaning out of it. It is an interactive peice."

That's your awnser. I can't tell you what your meaning is out of the question being asked. It's for you to reflecton on. I did say you're too busy asking why you're being asked this question to understand the meaning of it. You're asked to see how you react. Any meaning is for you to get from the question.

As I said before it's not about how horrible the act you have to take to end this war, it's about how you react to the fact you have to act.
They are not saying you have to always do war crime to do what you have to do, it's just about seeing how you think and feel in the hypathetical extreme.

If you feel the universe should reflect on the fact you did horrible actions to save thegalexy, then you're missing the point that not only is this something that takes time to reflecton but the universe is not made to reward or punish your actions.
What ever you feel about what you did is something you have grade and value on your own. Hence, the nature that the choices are of what you see it is with the endings.

It not a case that it doesnot reveal nothing about the human condition or that  caring for others is dumb, and worrying about violating other people's fundamental rights are a pointless waste of time.

Heck, if you feel that you don't want to do any crimes, just pick control.

It just a an issue of asking what you would do at the extremes.  You are too busy asking why you're being asked these questions to getthe point of them.


Could someone translate? Thanks in advance.


I don't see how this is hard to understand.

I know. You were very clearly presenting a tongue-in-cheek criticism of the argument you were faux-espousing, Stephen Colbert style.

People today, they just don't appreciate satire.

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Again, I don't see how trust matters, because the only hope the galaxy has for survival at all is if the Catalyst is trustworthy. If it's not, nothing I do will matter.

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Nightwriter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I already awnsered your question.

"And the consept of this  is that you have to get the meaning out of this,
Yes, you have to get the meaning out of it. It is an interactive peice."

That's your awnser. I can't tell you what your meaning is out of the question being asked. It's for you to reflecton on. I did say you're too busy asking why you're being asked this question to understand the meaning of it. You're asked to see how you react. Any meaning is for you to get from the question.

As I said before it's not about how horrible the act you have to take to end this war, it's about how you react to the fact you have to act.
They are not saying you have to always do war crime to do what you have to do, it's just about seeing how you think and feel in the hypathetical extreme.

If you feel the universe should reflect on the fact you did horrible actions to save thegalexy, then you're missing the point that not only is this something that takes time to reflecton but the universe is not made to reward or punish your actions.
What ever you feel about what you did is something you have grade and value on your own. Hence, the nature that the choices are of what you see it is with the endings.

It not a case that it doesnot reveal nothing about the human condition or that  caring for others is dumb, and worrying about violating other people's fundamental rights are a pointless waste of time.

Heck, if you feel that you don't want to do any crimes, just pick control.

It just a an issue of asking what you would do at the extremes.  You are too busy asking why you're being asked these questions to getthe point of them.


Could someone translate? Thanks in advance.


I don't see how this is hard to understand.

I know. You were very clearly presenting a tongue-in-cheek criticism of the argument you were faux-espousing, Stephen Colbert style.

People today, they just don't appreciate satire.


Forgive me - Dreman, you are an absolute genius.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Again, I don't see how trust matters, because the only hope the galaxy has for survival at all is if the Catalyst is trustworthy. If it's not, nothing I do will matter.

. How is that the only hope for the galaxy?

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Xilizhra wrote...

Again, I don't see how trust matters, because the only hope the galaxy has for survival at all is if the Catalyst is trustworthy. If it's not, nothing I do will matter.


Ok, so what if those final choices are being misrepresented?

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The only hope is the Crucible. The Catalyst is your instruction manual.If he's lying about one, he could be lying about any.

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Fandango9641 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

galland wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

drayfish wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't want you to do anything at all. Please understand: I am in no way criticising you - every Shepard that believed in hope, or that was fighting for the rights of their fellow civilisations to live, got utterly screwed.

What I am questioning is the narrative structure of the game and the ugly moral quandry that was arbitrarilly loaded into its conclusion by the writers.

Maybe I was screwed, but why should that be faced with less courage than the implacable menace of the Reapers themselves?

Less courage?  Because you agreed to do what they asked you to?

Why does it matter? What does it matter where victory comes from? All we should be concerned with is what it does... and that's concerning, but better than any alternative I can see.


"Why does it matter? What does it matter where victory comes from"
Please ask yourself that question again......ask what matters with regard to the victory you are trying to achieve;
Victory at any cost? Even at the cost of what you are trying to prevent? Even at the cost of everything you have fought  against ? Even at the cost of everything  you believe in?  Fundamentally if nothing matters...nothing matters.
It is better to travel hopefully than to arrive.        

Interestingly, while "Victory at any cost" was said by someone in ME3, it was by one of the good guys, Lieutenant Victus. But I mentioned the cost when I said that what it did was important. I just don't care what the source is; I do care what the cost is.


And yet you still can't account for the trust you place in any of those solutions beyond 'it was worth a punt’.

Bringing us back OT, it’s clear that the Reapers have consistently shown themselves to be anything but benevolent. I mean, as I understand it, the Catalyst uses the Reapers as a tool to help 'oversee the relations between synthetic and organic life' by 'harvesting' them with big old space lasers (when they are not 'storing' them in Reaper form, or 'helping them ascend' by genetically rewriting their DNA in the manner of the Collectors of course).

Right?

You see, the only solution to the apparent problem of inevitable war between organics and synthetics is to create a cycle where the Reapers (a synthetic representation of their creators) 'harvest' each and every advanced sentient species in the Galaxy. You know, to stop 'conflict' in the interests of bringing 'order to chaos'.

Ridiculous!

In any case, anyone role-playing a Shep that trusts in anything the Catalyst has to say for itself should have the intellectual honesty to admit that they a role-playing an absolute moron. Those who reject those final solutions *raises hand* should do the same, but for entiirely different reasons. Honestly, what a wretched conclusion.


1. The reaper andthecatalyst are bot beleviolent nor is the op saying they.
2. Thereapers and the catalyst are just machnes doing what they are programmed to do. They are not doing this becasue they want to help organics and synthetics. They are doing this beause they programming force to to deal with organic and synthetic life conflict issues.

3.The entire thing the catalyst istrying to do to stop theconflict is to control all life. It turn organics and synthetic into a reaper so they areplace in some he cn control and in a form that does not die on it's own.
The issue the catalyst  trying to impose is control over life.


4.The thing here is thatyou keep missing the fact that the catalyst and thereaper do not have a say in the matter. They are just machines doing what they are programmed to do. They are no different them  weapon and a managing program. The have no will of there own.

As for sayin regecting the catayst is the best option.......I guess you not willing to get over your self to save the people you care for.

The fact that if does not need to help you active the crucible and just countioue the harvest is a point that you seem to miss....Because it make no sense to trick you to being harvested if it's going to harvest you anyway.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Again, I don't see how trust matters, because the only hope the galaxy has for survival at all is if the Catalyst is trustworthy. If it's not, nothing I do will matter.


That doesn't make any sense, since he's the one who started the cycles and is the reason behind the supposed "organic v synthetic" claim

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wright1978 wrote...

Someone breeds a dog and teaches it nothing other than how to viciously attack when that person orders it to attack. Dog attacks and kills person. Dog is put down. Fact that animal is innocent and has just been moulded by horrid person is irrelevant.


This argument only works because our value system lets us kill animals as long as we have a "good reason" -- quotes there because there's no rational basis for which animals are OK to kill and which animals aren't.

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dreman9999 wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

galland wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

drayfish wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't want you to do anything at all. Please understand: I am in no way criticising you - every Shepard that believed in hope, or that was fighting for the rights of their fellow civilisations to live, got utterly screwed.

What I am questioning is the narrative structure of the game and the ugly moral quandry that was arbitrarilly loaded into its conclusion by the writers.

Maybe I was screwed, but why should that be faced with less courage than the implacable menace of the Reapers themselves?

Less courage?  Because you agreed to do what they asked you to?

Why does it matter? What does it matter where victory comes from? All we should be concerned with is what it does... and that's concerning, but better than any alternative I can see.


"Why does it matter? What does it matter where victory comes from"
Please ask yourself that question again......ask what matters with regard to the victory you are trying to achieve;
Victory at any cost? Even at the cost of what you are trying to prevent? Even at the cost of everything you have fought  against ? Even at the cost of everything  you believe in?  Fundamentally if nothing matters...nothing matters.
It is better to travel hopefully than to arrive.        

Interestingly, while "Victory at any cost" was said by someone in ME3, it was by one of the good guys, Lieutenant Victus. But I mentioned the cost when I said that what it did was important. I just don't care what the source is; I do care what the cost is.


And yet you still can't account for the trust you place in any of those solutions beyond 'it was worth a punt’.

Bringing us back OT, it’s clear that the Reapers have consistently shown themselves to be anything but benevolent. I mean, as I understand it, the Catalyst uses the Reapers as a tool to help 'oversee the relations between synthetic and organic life' by 'harvesting' them with big old space lasers (when they are not 'storing' them in Reaper form, or 'helping them ascend' by genetically rewriting their DNA in the manner of the Collectors of course).

Right?

You see, the only solution to the apparent problem of inevitable war between organics and synthetics is to create a cycle where the Reapers (a synthetic representation of their creators) 'harvest' each and every advanced sentient species in the Galaxy. You know, to stop 'conflict' in the interests of bringing 'order to chaos'.

Ridiculous!

In any case, anyone role-playing a Shep that trusts in anything the Catalyst has to say for itself should have the intellectual honesty to admit that they a role-playing an absolute moron. Those who reject those final solutions *raises hand* should do the same, but for entiirely different reasons. Honestly, what a wretched conclusion.


1. The reaper andthecatalyst are bot beleviolent nor is the op saying they.
2. Thereapers and the catalyst are just machnes doing what they are programmed to do. They are not doing this becasue they want to help organics and synthetics. They are doing this beause they programming force to to deal with organic and synthetic life conflict issues.

3.The entire thing the catalyst istrying to do to stop theconflict is to control all life. It turn organics and synthetic into a reaper so they areplace in some he cn control and in a form that does not die on it's own.
The issue the catalyst  trying to impose is control over life.


4.The thing here is thatyou keep missing the fact that the catalyst and thereaper do not have a say in the matter. They are just machines doing what they are programmed to do. They are no different them  weapon and a managing program. The have no will of there own.

As for sayin regecting the catayst is the best option.......I guess you not willing to get over your self to save the people you care for.

The fact that if does not need to help you active the crucible and just countioue the harvest is a point that you seem to miss....Because it make no sense to trick you to being harvested if it's going to harvest you anyway.


1) The title of this thread reads 'The Reapers are innocent'
2) That is all

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Nightwriter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I already awnsered your question.

"And the consept of this  is that you have to get the meaning out of this,
Yes, you have to get the meaning out of it. It is an interactive peice."

That's your awnser. I can't tell you what your meaning is out of the question being asked. It's for you to reflecton on. I did say you're too busy asking why you're being asked this question to understand the meaning of it. You're asked to see how you react. Any meaning is for you to get from the question.

As I said before it's not about how horrible the act you have to take to end this war, it's about how you react to the fact you have to act.
They are not saying you have to always do war crime to do what you have to do, it's just about seeing how you think and feel in the hypathetical extreme.

If you feel the universe should reflect on the fact you did horrible actions to save thegalexy, then you're missing the point that not only is this something that takes time to reflecton but the universe is not made to reward or punish your actions.
What ever you feel about what you did is something you have grade and value on your own. Hence, the nature that the choices are of what you see it is with the endings.

It not a case that it doesnot reveal nothing about the human condition or that  caring for others is dumb, and worrying about violating other people's fundamental rights are a pointless waste of time.

Heck, if you feel that you don't want to do any crimes, just pick control.

It just a an issue of asking what you would do at the extremes.  You are too busy asking why you're being asked these questions to getthe point of them.


Could someone translate? Thanks in advance.


I don't see how this is hard to understand.

I know. You were very clearly presenting a tongue-in-cheek criticism of the argument you were faux-espousing, Stephen Colbert style.

People today, they just don't appreciate satire.


Again , I don't see how what I wrote is hard to understand. I basicly state the message of ME is up to the player and people who are upset over the ending is too focus over why they are being ask this extreme question in the end of ME to get it's meaning.

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Fandango9641 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Again, I don't see how trust matters, because the only hope the galaxy has for survival at all is if the Catalyst is trustworthy. If it's not, nothing I do will matter.


Ok, so what if those final choices are being misrepresented?

Then, if I take any of them, I'll be dead.

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It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan

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Fandango9641 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

galland wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

drayfish wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't want you to do anything at all. Please understand: I am in no way criticising you - every Shepard that believed in hope, or that was fighting for the rights of their fellow civilisations to live, got utterly screwed.

What I am questioning is the narrative structure of the game and the ugly moral quandry that was arbitrarilly loaded into its conclusion by the writers.

Maybe I was screwed, but why should that be faced with less courage than the implacable menace of the Reapers themselves?

Less courage?  Because you agreed to do what they asked you to?

Why does it matter? What does it matter where victory comes from? All we should be concerned with is what it does... and that's concerning, but better than any alternative I can see.


"Why does it matter? What does it matter where victory comes from"
Please ask yourself that question again......ask what matters with regard to the victory you are trying to achieve;
Victory at any cost? Even at the cost of what you are trying to prevent? Even at the cost of everything you have fought  against ? Even at the cost of everything  you believe in?  Fundamentally if nothing matters...nothing matters.
It is better to travel hopefully than to arrive.        

Interestingly, while "Victory at any cost" was said by someone in ME3, it was by one of the good guys, Lieutenant Victus. But I mentioned the cost when I said that what it did was important. I just don't care what the source is; I do care what the cost is.


And yet you still can't account for the trust you place in any of those solutions beyond 'it was worth a punt’.

Bringing us back OT, it’s clear that the Reapers have consistently shown themselves to be anything but benevolent. I mean, as I understand it, the Catalyst uses the Reapers as a tool to help 'oversee the relations between synthetic and organic life' by 'harvesting' them with big old space lasers (when they are not 'storing' them in Reaper form, or 'helping them ascend' by genetically rewriting their DNA in the manner of the Collectors of course).

Right?

You see, the only solution to the apparent problem of inevitable war between organics and synthetics is to create a cycle where the Reapers (a synthetic representation of their creators) 'harvest' each and every advanced sentient species in the Galaxy. You know, to stop 'conflict' in the interests of bringing 'order to chaos'.

Ridiculous!

In any case, anyone role-playing a Shep that trusts in anything the Catalyst has to say for itself should have the intellectual honesty to admit that they a role-playing an absolute moron. Those who reject those final solutions *raises hand* should do the same, but for entiirely different reasons. Honestly, what a wretched conclusion.


1. The reaper andthecatalyst are bot beleviolent nor is the op saying they.
2. Thereapers and the catalyst are just machnes doing what they are programmed to do. They are not doing this becasue they want to help organics and synthetics. They are doing this beause they programming force to to deal with organic and synthetic life conflict issues.

3.The entire thing the catalyst istrying to do to stop theconflict is to control all life. It turn organics and synthetic into a reaper so they areplace in some he cn control and in a form that does not die on it's own.
The issue the catalyst  trying to impose is control over life.


4.The thing here is thatyou keep missing the fact that the catalyst and thereaper do not have a say in the matter. They are just machines doing what they are programmed to do. They are no different them  weapon and a managing program. The have no will of there own.

As for sayin regecting the catayst is the best option.......I guess you not willing to get over your self to save the people you care for.

The fact that if does not need to help you active the crucible and just countioue the harvest is a point that you seem to miss....Because it make no sense to trick you to being harvested if it's going to harvest you anyway.


1) The title of this thread reads 'The Reapers are innocent'
2) That is all


Let me ask you a question. If someone took control of you body or put a geis on you and you a made to kill billions of people.....Whois at fautl, the person who put the geis on you or you?

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dreman9999 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I already awnsered your question.

"And the consept of this  is that you have to get the meaning out of this,
Yes, you have to get the meaning out of it. It is an interactive peice."

That's your awnser. I can't tell you what your meaning is out of the question being asked. It's for you to reflecton on. I did say you're too busy asking why you're being asked this question to understand the meaning of it. You're asked to see how you react. Any meaning is for you to get from the question.

As I said before it's not about how horrible the act you have to take to end this war, it's about how you react to the fact you have to act.
They are not saying you have to always do war crime to do what you have to do, it's just about seeing how you think and feel in the hypathetical extreme.

If you feel the universe should reflect on the fact you did horrible actions to save thegalexy, then you're missing the point that not only is this something that takes time to reflecton but the universe is not made to reward or punish your actions.
What ever you feel about what you did is something you have grade and value on your own. Hence, the nature that the choices are of what you see it is with the endings.

It not a case that it doesnot reveal nothing about the human condition or that  caring for others is dumb, and worrying about violating other people's fundamental rights are a pointless waste of time.

Heck, if you feel that you don't want to do any crimes, just pick control.

It just a an issue of asking what you would do at the extremes.  You are too busy asking why you're being asked these questions to getthe point of them.


Could someone translate? Thanks in advance.


I don't see how this is hard to understand.

I know. You were very clearly presenting a tongue-in-cheek criticism of the argument you were faux-espousing, Stephen Colbert style.

People today, they just don't appreciate satire.


Again , I don't see how what I wrote is hard to understand. I basicly state the message of ME is up to the player and people who are upset over the ending is too focus over why they are being ask this extreme question in the end of ME to get it's meaning.


Could someone translate? Ta.

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AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Again, I don't see how trust matters, because the only hope the galaxy has for survival at all is if the Catalyst is trustworthy. If it's not, nothing I do will matter.


That doesn't make any sense, since he's the one who started the cycles and is the reason behind the supposed "organic v synthetic" claim


Trustworthy doesn't mean correct. He could just be wrong about organics v. synthetics.

But if he's simply lying about the effects of the Crucible being beneficial, then humanity is doomed no matter what Shepard does.

Modifié par AlanC9, 26 octobre 2012 - 04:33 .


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AlanC9 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Someone breeds a dog and teaches it nothing other than how to viciously attack when that person orders it to attack. Dog attacks and kills person. Dog is put down. Fact that animal is innocent and has just been moulded by horrid person is irrelevant.


This argument only works because our value system lets us kill animals as long as we have a "good reason" -- quotes there because there's no rational basis for which animals are OK to kill and which animals aren't.


It is humans we make the exception for. Same as we euthanise any animal willingly yet pall at the idea of euthanising a human being in pain.

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wright1978 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Someone breeds a dog and teaches it nothing other than how to viciously attack when that person orders it to attack. Dog attacks and kills person. Dog is put down. Fact that animal is innocent and has just been moulded by horrid person is irrelevant.


This argument only works because our value system lets us kill animals as long as we have a "good reason" -- quotes there because there's no rational basis for which animals are OK to kill and which animals aren't.


It is humans we make the exception for. Same as we euthanise any animal willingly yet pall at the idea of euthanising a human being in pain.

I believe more care needs to be taken with nonsapients, and apply to sapient beings the same standards I do to humans.

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AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Again, I don't see how trust matters, because the only hope the galaxy has for survival at all is if the Catalyst is trustworthy. If it's not, nothing I do will matter.


That doesn't make any sense, since he's the one who started the cycles and is the reason behind the supposed "organic v synthetic" claim

1. The catalyst is not reposible for the organic vs synthetic claim. This is something programmedinto him by his creators.

2.The fact the changes thing is the fact he is helping us work the crucible. He could easily had not and just blindly harvestus any was. The only reason he is helping us is because of it's programing...Aka, having to pick the best way to acheive his goal.
You missing the fact that there is no point of tricking you to be harvest if he is going to harvest you anyway.

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Let me ask you a question. If someone took control of you body or put a geis on you and you a made to kill billions of people.....Whois at fautl, the person who put the geis on you or you?


It's a false comparison Dreman - the Reapers were given a troubling mandate it's true, but they act autonomously (as evidenced by their betrayal of the Leviathan's).

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Fandango9641 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I already awnsered your question.

"And the consept of this  is that you have to get the meaning out of this,
Yes, you have to get the meaning out of it. It is an interactive peice."

That's your awnser. I can't tell you what your meaning is out of the question being asked. It's for you to reflecton on. I did say you're too busy asking why you're being asked this question to understand the meaning of it. You're asked to see how you react. Any meaning is for you to get from the question.

As I said before it's not about how horrible the act you have to take to end this war, it's about how you react to the fact you have to act.
They are not saying you have to always do war crime to do what you have to do, it's just about seeing how you think and feel in the hypathetical extreme.

If you feel the universe should reflect on the fact you did horrible actions to save thegalexy, then you're missing the point that not only is this something that takes time to reflecton but the universe is not made to reward or punish your actions.
What ever you feel about what you did is something you have grade and value on your own. Hence, the nature that the choices are of what you see it is with the endings.

It not a case that it doesnot reveal nothing about the human condition or that  caring for others is dumb, and worrying about violating other people's fundamental rights are a pointless waste of time.

Heck, if you feel that you don't want to do any crimes, just pick control.

It just a an issue of asking what you would do at the extremes.  You are too busy asking why you're being asked these questions to getthe point of them.


Could someone translate? Thanks in advance.


I don't see how this is hard to understand.

I know. You were very clearly presenting a tongue-in-cheek criticism of the argument you were faux-espousing, Stephen Colbert style.

People today, they just don't appreciate satire.


Again , I don't see how what I wrote is hard to understand. I basicly state the message of ME is up to the player and people who are upset over the ending is too focus over why they are being ask this extreme question in the end of ME to get it's meaning.


Could someone translate? Ta.

Again , I don't see how what I wrote is hard to understand. I'm basicly saying the message of ME is up to the player and people who are upset over the ending is too focus over why they are being ask this extreme question in the end of ME to get it's meaning.

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wright1978 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Someone breeds a dog and teaches it nothing other than how to viciously attack when that person orders it to attack. Dog attacks and kills person. Dog is put down. Fact that animal is innocent and has just been moulded by horrid person is irrelevant.


This argument only works because our value system lets us kill animals as long as we have a "good reason" -- quotes there because there's no rational basis for which animals are OK to kill and which animals aren't.


It is humans we make the exception for. Same as we euthanise any animal willingly yet pall at the idea of euthanising a human being in pain.


Right. But we also treat various other kinds of animals differently. Shooting deer in season is just fine, but try doing the same to stray dogs or cats.

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The only hope is the Crucible. The Catalyst is your instruction manual.If he's lying about one, he could be lying about any.


There's not trusting that the catalyst is giving neutral advice or telling the whole truth.

Even at the extreme of not trusting the catalyst shooting the tube is still the best choice as it is not doing nothing(refuse) or committing suicide(control/synthesis).

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AlanC9 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Again, I don't see how trust matters, because the only hope the galaxy has for survival at all is if the Catalyst is trustworthy. If it's not, nothing I do will matter.


That doesn't make any sense, since he's the one who started the cycles and is the reason behind the supposed "organic v synthetic" claim


Trustworthy doesn't mean correct. He could just be wrong about organics v. synthetics.

But if he's simply lying about the effects of the Crucible being beneficial, then humanity is doomed no matter what Shepard does.


Not really, we all know Synthesis is what he wanted since he started the Cycles.

He believes that is the perfect solution to his, and he would short sell Destroy and/or Control to push you towards Synthesis

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Xilizhra wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Again, I don't see how trust matters, because the only hope the galaxy has for survival at all is if the Catalyst is trustworthy. If it's not, nothing I do will matter.


Ok, so what if those final choices are being misrepresented?

Then, if I take any of them, I'll be dead.



And say one of those choices was misrepresented in a way that actually hindered the (albeit wasted) fight against the Reapers?