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[Samtheman63]

No they are not, people have their own views in game, some will agree they are people and others one

Again, its not deliberate, my intention was to destroy the reapers, nothing else. And why would i even believe that the leader of the reapers tells me? I didn't know it would definatly destroy edi and the geth

[AresKeith]

And thats your problem Dreman, you always assume you know what people are thinking

Thats why most people don't take you serious anymoe

[ElementL09]

The Reapers are an abomination.

[AlanC9]

drayfish wrote...
From what little I understood of this response (and I'm sorry to say it was barely any of it: what does 'no presser on hamd' mean?

Presumably that dreman's made a typo. I don't know why everyone isn't using a browser with autocorrect. My iPad even knows how to spell Prothean, though it insists on capitalizing the word, and I'm pretty sure that's no more correct than capitalizing human.

your six endings that all result in complete ethical compromise and that betray fundamental human rights in order to arbitrarily survive - all sound like dreary meaningless slush to me.

Of course, not all ethical systems need to compromise there. Any flavor of utilitarian wouldn't see it as such -- assuming that "ethical compromise" even applies to a utilitarian. And even a deontological system can get away with Destroy if the system has an escape hatch for unintended known consequences, such as the double effect doctrine. Might even work for Control too, depending on what Shepard does with the power.

 I'd ask what you mean by "existential nihilism," but I guess you're done with this.

[ManiacG]

jtav wrote...

Within the confines of the ME universe, the geth clearly are considered people by the narrative, just as valid as any other race. Their deliberate destruction is genocide.

So hypothetically in the ME universe tossing a laptop with one geth program in it out a window is killing a person?

i think not.

[dreman9999]

Samtheman63 wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...
IF the reaperships 'die'/" are destroyed", then the catalyst is guilty of mass genocide. Along with anyone responsible for the destroy choice. Possible even Shepard.

Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"


No

So, choosing to eliminate an entire race... isn't genocide?

You know, explaination would be nice. You only ever seem to post the dictionary definition of genocide whenever it comes up. At this point, I can interpret your comment several ways. Either you don't see the Reapers as a species, or you don't think picking Destroy makes the deaths 'deliberate.'

Its not deliberate, and the geth are machines not a race

Destroying a bunch of machines does not match any description of genocide anywhere

Please, define what the meaning of life is.

[dreman9999]

ManiacG wrote...

jtav wrote...

Within the confines of the ME universe, the geth clearly are considered people by the narrative, just as valid as any other race. Their deliberate destruction is genocide.

So hypothetically in the ME universe tossing a laptop with one geth program in it out a window is killing a person?

i think not.

If thegeth is sentient. Yes

[AlanC9]

Volc19 wrote...


So, choosing to eliminate an entire race... isn't genocide?

You know, explaination would be nice. You only ever seem to post the dictionary definition of genocide whenever it comes up. At this point, I can interpret your comment several ways. Either you don't see the Reapers as a species, or you don't think picking Destroy makes the deaths 'deliberate.'

Pretty much. The geth aren't killed deliberately by Shepard, but the Reapers are.

OTOH, it still might be more moral to destroy them than to control them, or to synthesize everyone.

[Samtheman63]

dreman9999 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...
IF the reaperships 'die'/" are destroyed", then the catalyst is guilty of mass genocide. Along with anyone responsible for the destroy choice. Possible even Shepard.

Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"


No

So, choosing to eliminate an entire race... isn't genocide?

You know, explaination would be nice. You only ever seem to post the dictionary definition of genocide whenever it comes up. At this point, I can interpret your comment several ways. Either you don't see the Reapers as a species, or you don't think picking Destroy makes the deaths 'deliberate.'

Its not deliberate, and the geth are machines not a race

Destroying a bunch of machines does not match any description of genocide anywhere

Please, define what the meaning of life is.

to try and manipulate shepard into picking one of the options that kills himself, and to discourage destroy further

i read that as "lie" lol

one second..

Modifié par Samtheman63, 27 octobre 2012 - 05:13 .

[Argolas]

dreman9999 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...
IF the reaperships 'die'/" are destroyed", then the catalyst is guilty of mass genocide. Along with anyone responsible for the destroy choice. Possible even Shepard.

Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"


No

So, choosing to eliminate an entire race... isn't genocide?

You know, explaination would be nice. You only ever seem to post the dictionary definition of genocide whenever it comes up. At this point, I can interpret your comment several ways. Either you don't see the Reapers as a species, or you don't think picking Destroy makes the deaths 'deliberate.'

Its not deliberate, and the geth are machines not a race

Destroying a bunch of machines does not match any description of genocide anywhere

Please, define what the meaning of life is.

The problem is that we do not have to ask this kind of question in real life (and I hope we never will). I said this before, the term "genocide" involves genes which synthetics do not have, that indicates how far away of true morality we actually are here. It is a hypothetical question.

[AlanC9]

Argolas wrote...
I said this before, the term "genocide" involves genes which synthetics do not have, that indicates how far away of true current morality we actually are here. It is a hypothetical question.

Fixed. Unless you're saying that sentient synthetics are impossible.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

And thats your problem Dreman, you always assume you know what people are thinking

Thats why most people don't take you serious anymoe

If that is hinting back to that last plea topic...Then what I stated about the op is literly  based on what She said .
Which was she wanted an end which Shepard stops the reapers with out sacrifing any thing.

That been the general concessus with most people who don't like the ending.

There cased that people don'tlike the endingbecause it conflict with there moraly ground like with drayfish.

And other where they want conventional victory.

I seen all the complains. But one other things that most people seem notounderstand is what my arguement are.

I'm basicly say that everything done in this game is based on what the writers want convey and diliver in this story. Everything you ask what you want the story to change into goes ageinst what ever they want to convey.

All I trying to do is say is too look at a different perspective on the endings. You don't have to like it. Just don't be so blind to it's points.

[dreman9999]

Samtheman63 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...
IF the reaperships 'die'/" are destroyed", then the catalyst is guilty of mass genocide. Along with anyone responsible for the destroy choice. Possible even Shepard.

Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"


No

So, choosing to eliminate an entire race... isn't genocide?

You know, explaination would be nice. You only ever seem to post the dictionary definition of genocide whenever it comes up. At this point, I can interpret your comment several ways. Either you don't see the Reapers as a species, or you don't think picking Destroy makes the deaths 'deliberate.'

Its not deliberate, and the geth are machines not a race

Destroying a bunch of machines does not match any description of genocide anywhere

Please, define what the meaning of life is.

to try and manipulate shepard into picking one of the options that kills himself, and to discourage destroy further

i read that as "lie" lol

one second..

1. All the choice are told to him it would lead to his death in a way.

2. The catalyst basicly already won the moment the crucible did not work.  You did not ask yourself why if it won already why it offered you a way to stop the reapers and win?

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. All the choice are told to him it would lead to his death in a way.

2. The catalyst basicly already won the moment the crucible did not work.  You did not ask yourself why if it won already why it offered you a way to stop the reapers and win?

It didn't offer you a way to stop the reapers, it offered his new "solutions"

[dreman9999]

Argolas wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...
IF the reaperships 'die'/" are destroyed", then the catalyst is guilty of mass genocide. Along with anyone responsible for the destroy choice. Possible even Shepard.

Genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"


No

So, choosing to eliminate an entire race... isn't genocide?

You know, explaination would be nice. You only ever seem to post the dictionary definition of genocide whenever it comes up. At this point, I can interpret your comment several ways. Either you don't see the Reapers as a species, or you don't think picking Destroy makes the deaths 'deliberate.'

Its not deliberate, and the geth are machines not a race

Destroying a bunch of machines does not match any description of genocide anywhere

Please, define what the meaning of life is.

The problem is that we do not have to ask this kind of question in real life (and I hope we never will). I said this before, the term "genocide" involves genes which synthetics do not have, that indicates how far away of true morality we actually are here. It is a hypothetical question.

....:blink:Yes we do as this question on the defination of life. We have been debating over it for over 10,000 years.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. All the choice are told to him it would lead to his death in a way.

2. The catalyst basicly already won the moment the crucible did not work.  You did not ask yourself why if it won already why it offered you a way to stop the reapers and win?

It didn't offer you a way to stop the reapers, it offered his new "solutions"

:lol:Yes, it did offer you away to stop the reapers.

You're not getting it. You were bleeding out on the ground , the crucible was not working and at the moment you had no way to stop the reapers.

It could of easily kept on harvesting and won the war if winning was it's goal. Yet it did not....Why?

Modifié par dreman9999, 27 octobre 2012 - 05:35 .

[AlanC9]

AresKeith wrote...


It didn't offer you a way to stop the reapers, it offered his new "solutions"

Funny how they all end up stopping the Reapers.

[AresKeith]

AlanC9 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...


It didn't offer you a way to stop the reapers, it offered his new "solutions"

Funny how they all end up stopping the Reapers.

Funny how two of them still have the Reapers alive

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...


It didn't offer you a way to stop the reapers, it offered his new "solutions"

Funny how they all end up stopping the Reapers.

Funny how two of them still have the Reapers alive

Stopping does not mean killing.

[Fixers0]

dreman9999 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

lol, no.

I'm not surprized you don't get it.

Facts are hard, aren't they?

Modifié par Fixers0, 27 octobre 2012 - 05:40 .

[galland]

"Goodbye Dremann - have fun with your game" quote....unquote * Drayfish *

" Works for me" quote.....unquote * Garrus*

[dreman9999]

Fixers0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

lol, no.

I'm not surprized you don't get it.

Facts are hard, aren't they?

Facts?

Look up the codex...Look up Indoctriantion.

Also, look up how a reaper is made. '

Put 2 and 2 together and you'll get the op's point.

There, fact used to prove you wrong.

[AresKeith]

galland wrote...

"Goodbye Dremann - have fun with your game" quote....unquote * Drayfish *

" Works for me" quote.....unquote * Garrus*

Guess there's nothing else to do here with Dreman here

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

galland wrote...

"Goodbye Dremann - have fun with your game" quote....unquote * Drayfish *

" Works for me" quote.....unquote * Garrus*

Guess there's nothing else to do here with Dreman here

You can anwser this question..

It could of easily kept on harvesting and won the war when  Sheaprd found out the crucible was not workingthe if winning was it's goal. Yet it did not....Why?