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[fil009]

It is a huge deal if Bioware plans to make ME4 in a Synthesized galaxy.

[3DandBeyond]

Arcian wrote...

Morgan Freeman was once asked by 60 Minutes correspondent Mike Wallace, "How do we get rid of racism?"

His answer was, "Stop talking about it."

Please follow his advice in regards to Synthesis and stop treating it as a big deal when it isn't.

People are talking about it because there seems to at least superficially be a desire on BW's part to make it canon.  Though the source of a lot of this has been wrong on other information before, she has stated BW believes that synthesis is inevitable, that it will happen no matter what so in the future it will exist.  This could just be some kind of attempt to be funny on BW's part (I'm not so sure that they don't often think they are playing with fans).  The catalyst also desires it above all which makes me vomit a bit in my mouth.    And Leviathan leads some people to believe there is credence to the idea that BW will make it be the reality in any new ME game (if one exists and is a sequel of sorts).  It's also the one that BW apparently believes is the happiest of outcomes. 

I do think since BW lives in opposite world where you say what you'd like to see and say what you hope won't happen and they do the opposite, it's probably best to start creating a lot of "we love synthesis" threads.

[RiouHotaru]

...They want to make the concept canon. The CONCEPT. And there's enough existing literature involving the concept that it's not a bad idea.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Synthesis could have actually been pretty cool if it actually made sense.

Saying that shepard jumped in a magical beam of light to melt him/herself and then everyone turned into cyborgs is just really silly.

[Kabooooom]

They will make it canon. Why? Because a ME prequel won't fly for a number of reasons that aren't worth mentioning here. That leaves either a side-story during the Reaper War, ODST style - or a sequel in the future of the ME universe.

And Synthesis presumably occurs whether you choose Control or Destroy as well. It happens no matter what.

[Ironhandjustice]

You know?

Because is the SAME solution given for the Foundation Trilogy (Isaac Asimov) and the SAME solution given for Deus Ex (The first game)

Not even original...

No gids please (aka, green kids)

[Ithurael]

Kabooooom wrote...

They will make it canon. Why? Because a ME prequel won't fly for a number of reasons that aren't worth mentioning here. That leaves either a side-story during the Reaper War, ODST style - or a sequel in the future of the ME universe.

And Synthesis presumably occurs whether you choose Control or Destroy as well. It happens no matter what.

Or they will just go with the Elephant Theory

[SpamBot2000]

Because it's still there. And it still sucks.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

3DandBeyond wrote...


I do think since BW lives in opposite world where you say what you'd like to see and say what you hope won't happen and they do the opposite, it's probably best to start creating a lot of "we love synthesis" threads.

Rightly so. The fanbase's tastes are finicky and largely superficial.

Jack in ME2 was well-hated by many players. Kind of like synthesis ending now. A few superficial changes in ME3, and Jack became a hit overnight and highly requested for DLC recruitment.

For that reason, I'm sure that if they canonize synthesis, people for the most part will get on board just fine. There will be a drop-off, to be sure, but that will be due more to fan discontent with the ending fiasco in general than synthesis alone.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 25 octobre 2012 - 06:56 .

[RiouHotaru]

Kabooooom wrote...

They will make it canon. Why? Because a ME prequel won't fly for a number of reasons that aren't worth mentioning here. That leaves either a side-story during the Reaper War, ODST style - or a sequel in the future of the ME universe.

And Synthesis presumably occurs whether you choose Control or Destroy as well. It happens no matter what.

Actually prequels would be awesome.  Reach was a great game.  Sure we knew how it would end, but that didn't keep it from being a good game.

[Foxhound2121]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Morgan Freeman was once asked by 60 Minutes correspondent Mike Wallace, "How do we get rid of racism?"

His answer was, "Stop talking about it."

Please follow his advice in regards to Synthesis and stop treating it as a big deal when it isn't.

People are talking about it because there seems to at least superficially be a desire on BW's part to make it canon.  Though the source of a lot of this has been wrong on other information before, she has stated BW believes that synthesis is inevitable, that it will happen no matter what so in the future it will exist.  This could just be some kind of attempt to be funny on BW's part (I'm not so sure that they don't often think they are playing with fans).  The catalyst also desires it above all which makes me vomit a bit in my mouth.    And Leviathan leads some people to believe there is credence to the idea that BW will make it be the reality in any new ME game (if one exists and is a sequel of sorts).  It's also the one that BW apparently believes is the happiest of outcomes. 

I do think since BW lives in opposite world where you say what you'd like to see and say what you hope won't happen and they do the opposite, it's probably best to start creating a lot of "we love synthesis" threads.

I wouldn't mind synthesis in me4 as long as its under the intention to reverse it, and also fully shows how evil synthesis is.

But if they try to convince me with horrible writing that they created a rainbow perfect world where everyone is happy, I will be very upset. That would be an insult to my intelligence just as purging the world of all races to cure racism would be.

Modifié par Foxhound2121, 25 octobre 2012 - 06:59 .

[Argolas]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...


I do think since BW lives in opposite world where you say what you'd like to see and say what you hope won't happen and they do the opposite, it's probably best to start creating a lot of "we love synthesis" threads.

Rightly so. The fanbase's tastes are finicky and largely superficial.

Jack in ME2 was well-hated by many players. Kind of like synthesis ending now. A few superficial changes in ME3, and Jack became a hit overnight and highly requested for DLC recruitment.

For that reason, I'm sure that if they canonize synthesis, people for the most part will get on board just fine. There will be a drop-off, to be sure, but that will be due more to fan discontent with the ending fiasco in general than synthesis alone.

I do not reject Synthesis for superficial reasons, and it is a daring assumption that most people do. It's a fact that the majority of players supports Destroy, just check any poll about it. I read many results with about 70% (!!!) Destroy with Control, Synthesis and sometimes Refuse sharing the remaining 30%.

Modifié par Argolas, 25 octobre 2012 - 07:03 .

[Eterna]

Who cares? Let people talk about what they want.

[Doctor Uburian]

Ironhandjustice wrote...

You know?

Because is the SAME solution given for the Foundation Trilogy (Isaac Asimov) and the SAME solution given for Deus Ex (The first game)

Not even original...

No gids please (aka, green kids)

Actually, the foundation saga presented three solutions, almost equal to Mass effect's ones. Create Galaxia (Synthesis), Control everything with the Second Foundation (Control), or Create a new galactic empire from the first foundation, even knowing that it will suffer the same chaos problems on the long run (Destroy)


The main character chooses Galaxia (Synthesis) at the end of the penultimate book, and then Asimov wrote another entire book to show why Galaxia was, in theory, the good choice: Foundation and Earth
I hope they don't try to do the same with ME 4 

I liked Synthesis to some degree, but i take it only as one of the endings proposed by Bioware.

Modifié par Doctor Uburian, 25 octobre 2012 - 07:05 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Argolas wrote...

I do not reject Synthesis for superficial reasons, and it is a daring assumption that most people do.

Hardly. Anyone who's been around here long enough has a good idea what's what.


*edit* oh, and on-topic....

Morgan Freeman's response to the question is completely idiotic, so let's not revere it like great words of wisdom.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 25 octobre 2012 - 07:34 .

[Argolas]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

*edit* oh, and on-topic....

Morgan Freeman's response to the question is completely idiotic, so let's not revere it like great words of wisdom.

On that I can agree, stopping to talk about it does not make it go away. Racism can be and often is subtle.

[Gervaise]

Since the main premise of any game is conflict it would defeat the object in creating a sequel if Synthesis was used and everything was peace and harmony. In any case that is not a guaranteed outcome. It is Shepard who asks if it will give peace but the Catalyst makes no such promise, only that it will end the cycle of harvesting. All that has been averted is the "inevitable" conflict between synthetics and organics. Now everyone is the same hybrid organism, in that respect the playing field is equal but unless everyone is now a mindless husk under the control of the Catalyst, the potential for conflict still exists. If a game was created in a post Synthesis ME universe, then exploring the true reaction of the galaxy to the change might be quite interesting. The slide showing Jacob comforting a woman who is clearly distraught, hints that not everyone is as thrilled at the change as EDI. So if the writers do favour the ending it may actually be because they see more potential in it than either of the other two endings.

However, I thought they had always stated that there was no "canon" ending. What individuals may say on Twitter or Facebook is not the same thing as the actual developer line on such things.

[Kabooooom]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Actually prequels would be awesome.  Reach was a great game.  Sure we knew how it would end, but that didn't keep it from being a good game.

You're comparing apples and oranges. It is a false equivalency. Reach worked because Halo is a FPS with zero player choice and a linear gameplay. Mass Effect is a shooter-RPG, with relatively nonlinear gameplay and an expansive world.

So no, actually a ME prequel would NOT be awesome, for reasons I already pointed out. If you want a First Contact War game, it would take place on Shanxi alone. It would basically be like Reach. That's not a ME game. I'm not sure what it would be, but it would be ME in name only.

That's not to say that the game wouldn't be good, but it definitely wouldn't be Mass Effect.

[Bill Casey]

Morgan Freeman is incorrect...
But I bet he sounded fantastic saying it...

[dreamgazer]

Because people like to talk about things, especially their own narcissistic viewpoint on what's morally correct.

[Demon560]

well they wanted us to speculate our minds out of the endings, and it shall continue until the DLC stop then it's just going to get boring.

[dreamgazer]

Arcian wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Morgan Freeman is incorrect...
But I bet he sounded fantastic saying it...

I bet no one in this thread has actually seen the interview. There's more to it than just "Stop talking about it".

Sure have. But thanks, sparky.