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[AdrynBliss]

I've seen more than a couple people here state that a: synth is bio's fav ending and b: it WILL be the basis for ME4, what kind of proof do you guys have to support these claims?
One of the driving factors of the entire series was stopping the bad guys from playing god whether you were paragon or renegade, it's incredibly unlikely that the canon ending is going to be the one where you play god.

Modifié par AdrynBliss, 27 octobre 2012 - 09:51 .

[Necrotron]

It will not go away, ever, just like Mass Effect will forever be tainted by it's presence.

[Soultaker08]

IsaacShep wrote...
Now, of course there are some people who simply don't like it because on moral grounds and can't deal with the fact a game WITH CHOICES has a choice they don't like, even though they will never pick it. That's not even worth discussing, they shouldn't be playing any RPG/RPG-influenced games with choices.

we got a winner

[Adrian Shepherd]

IsaacShep wrote...

There are legitimate reasons to talk/complain about synthesis. First of all, it comes out of nowhere. Destory and Control are foreshadowed throughout the entire game. Yes, there are moments when Shep is railroaded into saying "Control is totally the bad way to go", but no one was surprised to see it appear. And from the 'technical' POV, we know how both Destory & Control work and we can 'buy' it. Synthesis is not foreshadowed at all and is seriously baffling from the technological POV.

I agree that a huge point why Synthesis has value is that it DOES come out of nowhere!

Now, of course there are some people who simply don't like it because on moral grounds and can't deal with the fact a game WITH CHOICES has a choice they don't like, even though they will never pick it. That's not even worth discussing, they shouldn't be playing any RPG/RPG-influenced games with choices.

Agree with above statement too! It's a choice, some like it, some don't - THAT is what we should stop talking about.

[Yate]

fil009 wrote...

It is a huge deal if Bioware plans to make ME4 in a Synthesized galaxy.

well, I know I won't buy that game, so it's not a huge deal to me.

since it's a huge deal to you, you must be planning on buying ME4 no matter what

and that's dumb

[Someone With Mass]

IsaacShep wrote...

Now, of course there are some people who simply don't like it because on moral grounds and can't deal with the fact a game WITH CHOICES has a choice they don't like, even though they will never pick it. That's not even worth discussing, they shouldn't be playing any RPG/RPG-influenced games with choices.

If they decide to make a canon with the next game, then those choices are completely pointless. It'd also have the hilarious side effect of making the Catalyst dialogues meaningless as well.

So I'd say that those people have every right to complain, due to the last mission of the game being so vapid.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Because it's hard to ask people to ignore a giant tumor on the face of a franchise.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 27 octobre 2012 - 01:11 .

[Solmanian]

fil009 wrote...

It is a huge deal if Bioware plans to make ME4 in a Synthesized galaxy.

Unlikely. Synthesis homogenizes the MEverse, taking the legs out of any future play... What conflict can arise when everybody agrees with one another? What can threaten a united galaxy combined with the power of the reapers to back them up?

[Sonashi]

Funny. What's the point of this thread OP? You want people to stop talking about it? Do it yourself in the first place instead of creating another topic about synthesis.

[Sonashi]

I understand what you want to achieve, but it's pretty much impossible. People already turned your thread into primitive - Synthesis thread.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Arcian wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I continue to talk about Synthesis because it's my ending of choice, OP.

If EDI and the geth could live in Destroy, would you still pick Synthesis?

It's more than just EDI & the geth, it's a tech-wipeout on a galactic scale involved. So on top of all the existing devastation, I need to cripple the galaxy to end the war. Not exactly a desirable outcome... for a host of reasons.

If Destroy didn't do that and only destroyed the Reapers then YES, Synthesis would basically become invalid to me (I'd still pick Control over Destroy, though). But that's not the reality, and they're not going to change things at this point either.

[ghost9191]

wasn't talking about synthesis until i came here damn it

idea is fine and all., but too much of a dystopia to me. and not the mass effect universe i fell in love with , and the whole forcing thing really is a turn off. especially when you get told throughout the game that advancing cultures before is they are ready is bad, Like SWOOPING

Modifié par ghost9191, 27 octobre 2012 - 05:03 .

[Argolas]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Arcian wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I continue to talk about Synthesis because it's my ending of choice, OP.

If EDI and the geth could live in Destroy, would you still pick Synthesis?

It's more than just EDI & the geth, it's a tech-wipeout on a galactic scale involved.

Tech-wipeout? The victory fleet seems undamaged, the Quarians unharmed, the relays can be rebuild fast enough for every character to return home happily, so they can't have taken too long to rebuild the relays. And you know, there are a LOT of technical requirements to repair a relay. First, they need to study the remains until they understand how to fix it, then they need a working supply chain for the materials, these things are massive, and I am shure they required a lot of new eezo to fix them. All that requires working technology.

Bioware suggested that high EMS Destroy only damages Reaper tech, that means the reapers and their husks, the citadel, the relays, EDI and maybe the Geth because of their reaper code upgrade. If the crucible is "largely intact", even Shepard survives the blast although he/she es definatly vital synthetic implants.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Argolas wrote...

Tech-wipeout? The victory fleet seems undamaged, the Quarians unharmed, the relays can be rebuild fast enough for every character to return home happily, so they can't have taken too long to rebuild the relays. And you know, there are a LOT of technical requirements to repair a relay. First, they need to study the remains until they understand how to fix it, then they need a working supply chain for the materials, these things are massive, and I am shure they required a lot of new eezo to fix them. All that requires working technology.

Bioware suggested that high EMS Destroy only damages Reaper tech, that means the reapers and their husks, the citadel, the relays, EDI and maybe the Geth because of their reaper code upgrade. If the crucible is "largely intact", even Shepard survives the blast although he/she es definatly vital synthetic implants.

You cannot know that until after the fact, and think about it: if this blast is really powerful enough to do its thing and destroy the Reapers, how - logically - is all other smaller tech not at risk if it won't descriminate? An explosion doesn't have a mind of its own to identify Reaper tech apart from non-Reapers or anything.

This is the same deal to me as the Rachni Queen. Out-of-universe, I know she's sane. In-universe, I can't soundly conclude she's not indoctrinated. So she kicks it. I don't play acting on the foreknowledge of what happens next.

[Ieldra]

Arcian wrote...
So the reason you are still talking about Synthesis is because BioWare likes it?

What a bunch of BS.

Since when have any of you ever cared what BioWare thinks? And what madness made you think that BioWare cares about your opinions? They never have and never will. If they want Synthesis to become canon, the only thing you can do is to not buy ME4.

The endless Synthesis debates contribute nothing to nothing. It is a waste of everyone's time, energy and forum space. Just as Super MAC intended with his "Lots of speculations from everyone".

You are all indoctrinated and you can't even see it.

The reason the debate still rages is that some fundamentalists can't let go of their hate of it. They feel offended that a game has an ending option that disagrees with their preconceptions, even if they're not forced to choose it, and thus they do their utmost to make the lives of its supporters miserable and to ruin their games in the eyes of others. It's pure unadulterated malice most often fired by the fact that those people don't have an ending option they like, so they do their best to draw the others into the dirt so that theirs at least comes out "the least worst".

I guess those people never knew how much Destroy was thematically betrayed by Bioware in order to please the majority. And still its not enough. Some people aren't content unless they can destroy (!) all opposition. I used to say I don't want a canon ending, but really, at this point I wish for a Synthesis canon for no better reason than to stick it to the fundamentalists and reactionaries on this forum. I'd feel sorry for the rational Destroy-ers but that's what you get for not disowning the extremists.

Yeah, this is a rant. I'm fed up with the hate.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 octobre 2012 - 05:45 .

[PKSovereign]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Because it's hard to ask people to ignore a giant tumor on the face of a franchise.

[clennon8]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Arcian wrote...
So the reason you are still talking about Synthesis is because BioWare likes it?

What a bunch of BS.

Since when have any of you ever cared what BioWare thinks? And what madness made you think that BioWare cares about your opinions? They never have and never will. If they want Synthesis to become canon, the only thing you can do is to not buy ME4.

The endless Synthesis debates contribute nothing to nothing. It is a waste of everyone's time, energy and forum space. Just as Super MAC intended with his "Lots of speculations from everyone".

You are all indoctrinated and you can't even see it.

The reason the debate still rages is that some fundamentalists can't let go of their hate of it. They feel offended that a game has an ending option that disagrees with their preconceptions, even if they're not forced to choose it, and thus they do their utmost to make the lives of its supporters miserable and to ruin their games in the eyes of others. It's pure unadulterated malice most often fired by the fact that those people don't have an ending option they like, so they do their best to draw the others into the dirt so that theirs at least comes out "the least worst".

I guess those people never knew how much Destroy was thematically betrayed by Bioware in order to please the majority. And still its not enough. Some people aren't content unless they can destroy (!) all opposition. I used to say I don't want a canon ending, but really, at this point I wish for a Synthesis canon for no better reason than to stick it to the fundamentalists and reactionaries on this forum. I'd feel sorry for the rational Destroy-ers but that's what you get for not disowning the extremists.

Yeah, this is a rant. I'm fed up with the hate.

Have a nice day.  Enjoy your indoctrination. 

[clennon8]

Excuse me if I have nothing but contempt for someone who throws around labels like "fundamentalists" and "extremists" while creating his own cult of green glowy-eyed sheeple.

[jtav]

Sheeple? clen, clen clen, have you seen some of the arguments Ieldra and I have gotten into over the nature and morality of Synthesis? Ieldra isn't the one saying an ending should be ripped out of the game or that people are stupid for picking it. I grew up in a church that denied evolution, organizing field trips to the Discovery Institute and such. ITers are more like those fundamentalists than Synthers.