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[jtav]

No thanks. I'm quite happy with the ending choices, if not the execution. Got Sheps for all of them.

[Shepard108278]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Because Synthesis is the epitome of stupidity and pretentiousness and people flock to that stuff like moths to the flame.

I don't agree. I thik it is the true best paragon solution with control second.

[clennon8]

It's too bad Matthias ended up indoctrinated.

[jtav]

clen, knock it off. IT is a conspiracy theory. You aren't going to get your reveal, and it will exist only in your headcanon. And your attitude toward me is verging on harassment.

[clennon8]

Knock off the martyr complex, jtav.

[Sinekein]

Shepard108278 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Because Synthesis is the epitome of stupidity and pretentiousness and people flock to that stuff like moths to the flame.

I don't agree. I thik it is the true best paragon solution with control second.

It's Paragon pushed too far, as in "let's decide the future of the galaxy alone, I don't need to ask first, because I'm so right". Synthesis is the end of the Mass Effect universe, and the creation
of a new one. A universe without conflict, which means without interest.

And about the "saying the endings are unacceptable", well, you'd need to restart the game from scratch, remake ME3. I'm not 100% happy with the endings as they are, the choices of my Shep still don't matter that much, but in the end, they make sense, and the Reapers can be Destroyed, leaving the fate of the galaxy between everyone's hands. Plus, Leviathan acknowledges the existence of the Catalyst, and explains it. If given more time, I guess that the writers would have given more hints about the endings throughout the story, and that some choices would have allowed/denied/made easier/made more difficult one of the endings.

But the purpose of the Reapers make sense. Leaving them as "pure evil" would make sense in light sci-fi universes, like the Fifth Element. That would have been out of place in Mass Effect.

[Peranor]

Arcian wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

On-topic: Synthesis is plain weird. There I said it.

It is weird. No argument there. It doesn't belong in Mass Effect, and BioWare should consider declaring it non-canon.

That said, it is neither evil nor immoral. For a thing to be labeled evil or immoral, it has to be clearly defined. Synthesis is not. It is diffuse, weird, poorly explained/understood and ultimately unnecessary. We should ignore it and focus on persuading BioWare to fix Destroy and Control.

There, I just said everything that ever needed to be said on the topic of Synthesis. Let's leave it and move on?

Agree

[AlanC9]

jtav wrote...

clen, knock it off. IT is a conspiracy theory. You aren't going to get your reveal, and it will exist only in your headcanon.

I'm surprised more IT fans don't sign on with Deception Theory, which doesn't require a reveal.

[clennon8]

AlanC9 wrote...

jtav wrote...

clen, knock it off. IT is a conspiracy theory. You aren't going to get your reveal, and it will exist only in your headcanon.

I'm surprised more IT fans don't sign on with Deception Theory, which doesn't require a reveal.

That actually is the version I favor.  That thread seems to have disappeared into the depths.  I think TTG got tired of dealing with nincompoops.  It must have been exhausting typing up all those verbose responses.

[xBUMMx]

Am I the only Destroyer who doesn't think believe in the indoctrination theory and did it to stick to my original goal. The series (to me) started as organics vs. synthetics. It started twisting and bringing sympathy to synthetics. If the same choice was given at the end of ME1 instead, would this arguement even exist?

I chose destroy accepting the consequences. I accepted that EDI and the Geth died. But I realized that my original goal was transformed from "destroy the reapers" to "stop the reapers". I didn't like that and realized that I believed that it shouldn't of changed, and I had to do whatever I had to to kill the reapers.

Another thing I realized was that while most people I talked to wanted to save the people of the galaxy, I wanted to save the galaxy itself. I wanted to stop the cycle above all else, no matter the consequences. While understand that all endings allowed this, they just seemed off for me.mContol just seemed sketchy. He said that TIM couldn't do it, and telling me that because I was better than him I could, that just doesn't sit well with me. Synthesis just felt wrong to me. That much change is too much for one person to bring. One jump would rewrite galactic... Everything? I wasn't going to subjugate a galactic population because some big robot told me it was best. Keep in mind this robot thought killing all advanced organics every once in awhile was a good idea too. Destroy was the only real option of what I wanted to do. Put the galaxy to where it was before the reapers, without the fear of the reapers returning. I just wanted to let the galaxy continue as it would.

Now, I state these reasons knowing that they are my own and other people will do what they want. Please do, I want in no way to manipulate anyone towards my belief. I think people should just stop argueing about the different endings and theorize what may happen next for each one. I honestly think that here is no "right" ending and everyone will do,what they think is best for they worked to reach. I also believe that no ending should be canon and Bioware shouldn't go past ME3 and should make prequels and side-winding stories like ODST. They don't have to be important events, but rather take a small happening that we don't have to even know about yet, and make a story for it in classic ME style. It shouldn't be a galaxy changing event, maybe a personal revenge story or a group of vigilantes trying to stop local pirates and slavers in the Terminus system before Shepard even went to Eden Prime. I would play that.

[Bill Casey]

AlanC9 wrote...

jtav wrote...

clen, knock it off. IT is a conspiracy theory. You aren't going to get your reveal, and it will exist only in your headcanon.

I'm surprised more IT fans don't sign on with Deception Theory, which doesn't require a reveal.

IT doesn't require a reveal...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 28 octobre 2012 - 11:23 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sinekein wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

They harvest synthetic life to preserve them as well since Catalyst views them as life that needs preservation as well. Also, they are alive in some capacity because the Reaper they make has their history/culture stored in it, which makes them an avatar for that race in Synthesis.

And then Javik could make staring contests again with the Prothean Reaper. And everyone was happy. Especially the trillions of Protheans that were so not locked for eternity at all in their Reaper vessel. Their DNA and their Culture was there, they were so totally absolutely happy.

I didn't mean that the individuals that created the Reaper are alive, just that the essense of what made the race what they are is. We see an example of this in Harbinger. He was built from the Leviathans, an arrogant race that viewed themselves as gods over other races, which is expressed by Harbinger being very prideful as well.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Arcian wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Sinekein wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

They harvest synthetic life to preserve them as well since Catalyst views them as life that needs preservation as well. Also, they are alive in some capacity because the Reaper they make has their history/culture stored in it, which makes them an avatar for that race in Synthesis.

And then Javik could make staring contests again with the Prothean Reaper. And everyone was happy. Especially the trillions of Protheans that were so not locked for eternity at all in their Reaper vessel. Their DNA and their Culture was there, they were so totally absolutely happy.

I didn't mean that the individuals that created the Reaper are alive, just that the essense of what made the race what they are is. We see an example of this in Harbinger. He was built from the Leviathans, an arrogant race that viewed themselves as gods over other races, which is expressed by Harbinger being very prideful as well.

But that's not unique to Harbinger. Literally every single Reaper you talk to is a prideful, arrogant ass.

Well, they are all-powerful sentient warships. It's hard not to be, but Harbinger seemed more so. Another example: Sovereign was built from the Nazara(I assume since thats what the programs inside call themselves) which could've been a war-loving race, hence Sovereign having a more wrathful tone in his voice than Harbinger.