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[TLo137]

Saber and Crusader are sniper rifles with the scope chopped off, AND you can use another sniper rifle as a secondary... OR USE BOTH!

[Uh Cold]

UEG Donkey wrote...


However if you could use an attachment (similar to an ACOG)that would allow you to go in and out of scope more quickly I'd be in favor of that.

Not what we want, it's an endgame preference and has little to do with CQC viability.
We just say CQC because it gives people common ground to vote on.

There is a reason all the good players are for it.

Modifié par Uh Cold, 05 novembre 2012 - 04:56 .

[UEG Donkey]

Uh Cold wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...


However if you could use an attachment (similar to an ACOG)that would allow you to go in and out of scope more quickly I'd be in favor of that.

Not what we want, it's an endgame preference and has little to do with CQC viability.
We just say CQC because it gives people common ground to vote on.

There is a reason all the good players are for it.

Could you be a little less offensive in your replies?  Outright buffing all the sniper rifles into an all distance weapon that gives one class a vast advantage over the other classes that may use sniper rifles isn't how you balance the game.  The Saber is a viable option for "no scoping" without giving infiltrators more of an advantage with the weapon.  I'm sorry if you disagree but next time address the post without implying that I suck because I don't agree with you. 

[FullMetalArthur]

I don't know...

An ironsight would have a penalty on acurracy, since there is not scope. Probably increased acurracy at short range? And I'd appreciate more the fact that scopes don't move when a slayer does ES

If you don't like scopes then use a Rifle instead of a sniper, like the saber.

[Arppis]

Only if it brings the hipfire penalty to the scopeless gun. Then it's balanced.

[Zaraki kanzaki]

you mean to introduce a way of aiming like GOW or Ghost Recon?

[rmccowen]

Arppis wrote...

Only if it brings the hipfire penalty to the scopeless gun. Then it's balanced.

As I said somewhere a few pages ago, I'm fine with the hipfire penalty being carried over. If you aim down the )1x iron) sights, you don't have the hipfire penalty; if you hipfire, you keep whatever the existing penalty is.

I still want the mod.

[UEG Donkey]

rmccowen wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Only if it brings the hipfire penalty to the scopeless gun. Then it's balanced.

As I said somewhere a few pages ago, I'm fine with the hipfire penalty being carried over. If you aim down the )1x iron) sights, you don't have the hipfire penalty; if you hipfire, you keep whatever the existing penalty is.

I still want the mod.

That's not what OP is advocating for though, I'm on the fence with keeping the hip-fire penalty but allowing people to use an iron sight mod.  The reason I'm on the fence is that on one hand it adds variety and its PvE so you can chose not to do it but on the other hand, one of the more difficult aspects of sniping in MP is your lack of situational awreness while you're "inside the scope" this eliminates this aspect and makes the game "easier" to play for snipers. 

[Uh Cold]

UEG Donkey wrote...

rmccowen wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Only if it brings the hipfire penalty to the scopeless gun. Then it's balanced.

As I said somewhere a few pages ago, I'm fine with the hipfire penalty being carried over. If you aim down the )1x iron) sights, you don't have the hipfire penalty; if you hipfire, you keep whatever the existing penalty is.

I still want the mod.

That's not what OP is advocating for though, I'm on the fence with keeping the hip-fire penalty but allowing people to use an iron sight mod.  The reason I'm on the fence is that on one hand it adds variety and its PvE so you can chose not to do it but on the other hand, one of the more difficult aspects of sniping in MP is your lack of situational awreness while you're "inside the scope" this eliminates this aspect and makes the game "easier" to play for snipers. 

Easy is not the word, not even close.
As it stands sniping on consoles is aim assist with literally less than a second scoped in for kills.
The mod does not make it "easy" and if anything lessens aim assist as well as making up close kills feel cleaner.
It's a preference and should not be a replacement to ARs or Shotguns, the hipfire penalty is nonsense to begin with so I figured the mod would address it as well.

Honestly at this point I would be happy with a Claymore reskinned to look like a Scopeless Widow.

*edit*
If I could I would run around with a scopeless widow with a melee attachment on my shadow in gold+

Modifié par Uh Cold, 05 novembre 2012 - 06:21 .

[UEG Donkey]

Uh Cold wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...

rmccowen wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Only if it brings the hipfire penalty to the scopeless gun. Then it's balanced.

As I said somewhere a few pages ago, I'm fine with the hipfire penalty being carried over. If you aim down the )1x iron) sights, you don't have the hipfire penalty; if you hipfire, you keep whatever the existing penalty is.

I still want the mod.

That's not what OP is advocating for though, I'm on the fence with keeping the hip-fire penalty but allowing people to use an iron sight mod.  The reason I'm on the fence is that on one hand it adds variety and its PvE so you can chose not to do it but on the other hand, one of the more difficult aspects of sniping in MP is your lack of situational awreness while you're "inside the scope" this eliminates this aspect and makes the game "easier" to play for snipers. 

Easy is not the word, not even close.
As it stands sniping on consoles is aim assist with literally less than a second scoped in for kills.
The mod does not make it "easy" and if anything lessens aim assist as well as making up close kills feel cleaner.
It's a preference and should not be a replacement to ARs or Shotguns, the hipfire penalty is nonsense to begin with so I figured the mod would address it as well.

Honestly at this point I would be happy with a Claymore reskinned to look like a Scopeless Widow.

*edit*
If I could I would run around with a scopeless widow with a melee attachment on my shadow in gold+

You rebuttal is completely convoluded and doesn't address my point or any of my prior points. Even if there was still a hip fire penalty (which you don't want because you want to run around and no scope stuff)  You still have the issue of circumventing you vision being limited by the use of iron sights.  The mod would make it "easier" to maintain situational awareness, the mod would make it "easier" to kill everything at all releveant distances in the game.  The iron sight mod would give infiltrators a DPS advantage at all distances in the game and would necessitate an un warranted nerf to TC (again).  If you want to no scope stuff use an indra or be a boss and use the raptor /thread 

Modifié par UEG Donkey, 05 novembre 2012 - 06:33 .

[Uh Cold]

UEG Donkey wrote...

Uh Cold wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...

rmccowen wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Only if it brings the hipfire penalty to the scopeless gun. Then it's balanced.

As I said somewhere a few pages ago, I'm fine with the hipfire penalty being carried over. If you aim down the )1x iron) sights, you don't have the hipfire penalty; if you hipfire, you keep whatever the existing penalty is.

I still want the mod.

That's not what OP is advocating for though, I'm on the fence with keeping the hip-fire penalty but allowing people to use an iron sight mod.  The reason I'm on the fence is that on one hand it adds variety and its PvE so you can chose not to do it but on the other hand, one of the more difficult aspects of sniping in MP is your lack of situational awreness while you're "inside the scope" this eliminates this aspect and makes the game "easier" to play for snipers. 

Easy is not the word, not even close.
As it stands sniping on consoles is aim assist with literally less than a second scoped in for kills.
The mod does not make it "easy" and if anything lessens aim assist as well as making up close kills feel cleaner.
It's a preference and should not be a replacement to ARs or Shotguns, the hipfire penalty is nonsense to begin with so I figured the mod would address it as well.

Honestly at this point I would be happy with a Claymore reskinned to look like a Scopeless Widow.

*edit*
If I could I would run around with a scopeless widow with a melee attachment on my shadow in gold+

You rebuttal is completely convoluded and doesn't address my point or any of my prior points. Even if there was still a hip fire penalty (which you don't want because you want to run around and no scope stuff)  You still have the issue of circumventing you vision being limited by the use of iron sights.  The mod would make it "easier" to maintain situational awareness, the mod would make it "easier" to kill everything at all releveant distances in the game.  The iron sight mod would give infiltrators a DPS advantage at all distances in the game and would necessitate an un warranted nerf to TC (again).  If you want to no scope stuff use an indra or be a boss and use the raptor /thread 

Ok there champ.

[UEG Donkey]

Uh Cold wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...

Uh Cold wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...

rmccowen wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Only if it brings the hipfire penalty to the scopeless gun. Then it's balanced.

As I said somewhere a few pages ago, I'm fine with the hipfire penalty being carried over. If you aim down the )1x iron) sights, you don't have the hipfire penalty; if you hipfire, you keep whatever the existing penalty is.

I still want the mod.

That's not what OP is advocating for though, I'm on the fence with keeping the hip-fire penalty but allowing people to use an iron sight mod.  The reason I'm on the fence is that on one hand it adds variety and its PvE so you can chose not to do it but on the other hand, one of the more difficult aspects of sniping in MP is your lack of situational awreness while you're "inside the scope" this eliminates this aspect and makes the game "easier" to play for snipers. 

Easy is not the word, not even close.
As it stands sniping on consoles is aim assist with literally less than a second scoped in for kills.
The mod does not make it "easy" and if anything lessens aim assist as well as making up close kills feel cleaner.
It's a preference and should not be a replacement to ARs or Shotguns, the hipfire penalty is nonsense to begin with so I figured the mod would address it as well.

Honestly at this point I would be happy with a Claymore reskinned to look like a Scopeless Widow.

*edit*
If I could I would run around with a scopeless widow with a melee attachment on my shadow in gold+

You rebuttal is completely convoluded and doesn't address my point or any of my prior points. Even if there was still a hip fire penalty (which you don't want because you want to run around and no scope stuff)  You still have the issue of circumventing you vision being limited by the use of iron sights.  The mod would make it "easier" to maintain situational awareness, the mod would make it "easier" to kill everything at all releveant distances in the game.  The iron sight mod would give infiltrators a DPS advantage at all distances in the game and would necessitate an un warranted nerf to TC (again).  If you want to no scope stuff use an indra or be a boss and use the raptor /thread 

Ok there champ.

I'm glad I could convince you that your idea was horrible. 

[Uh Cold]

UEG Donkey wrote...
I'm glad I could convince you that your idea was horrible. 

It's hard for me to take your arguement serious since I'm pretty sure I have more than once addressed these claims and what it comes down to is who understands more without bias as well as what it will really do with the given game mechanics and how people can utilize it.
If all you think is unbalance and no scopes good for you that is not the point of the mod or it's best use.
Your TC nerf example was hilariously off point thus I underlined it.
/sarcasm

[UEG Donkey]

You are ridiculous, you've never addressed any of my points. I'm not going to rehash all of the issues your proposal brings up because frankly you've given no effort to rebutt them. You are the one proposing change the burden is on you to address the issues not the other way around. Your arguments for the mod are nonsensical.

Modifié par UEG Donkey, 05 novembre 2012 - 08:33 .

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

UEG Donkey wrote...

Uh Cold wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...

rmccowen wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Only if it brings the hipfire penalty to the scopeless gun. Then it's balanced.

As I said somewhere a few pages ago, I'm fine with the hipfire penalty being carried over. If you aim down the )1x iron) sights, you don't have the hipfire penalty; if you hipfire, you keep whatever the existing penalty is.

I still want the mod.

That's not what OP is advocating for though, I'm on the fence with keeping the hip-fire penalty but allowing people to use an iron sight mod.  The reason I'm on the fence is that on one hand it adds variety and its PvE so you can chose not to do it but on the other hand, one of the more difficult aspects of sniping in MP is your lack of situational awreness while you're "inside the scope" this eliminates this aspect and makes the game "easier" to play for snipers. 

Easy is not the word, not even close.
As it stands sniping on consoles is aim assist with literally less than a second scoped in for kills.
The mod does not make it "easy" and if anything lessens aim assist as well as making up close kills feel cleaner.
It's a preference and should not be a replacement to ARs or Shotguns, the hipfire penalty is nonsense to begin with so I figured the mod would address it as well.

Honestly at this point I would be happy with a Claymore reskinned to look like a Scopeless Widow.

*edit*
If I could I would run around with a scopeless widow with a melee attachment on my shadow in gold+

You rebuttal is completely convoluded and doesn't address my point or any of my prior points. Even if there was still a hip fire penalty (which you don't want because you want to run around and no scope stuff)  You still have the issue of circumventing you vision being limited by the use of iron sights.  The mod would make it "easier" to maintain situational awareness, the mod would make it "easier" to kill everything at all releveant distances in the game.  The iron sight mod would give infiltrators a DPS advantage at all distances in the game and would necessitate an un warranted nerf to TC (again).  If you want to no scope stuff use an indra or be a boss and use the raptor /thread 

It would make it easier to maintain situational awareness, at the price of +50 weight.

Kinda like how the thermal scope allows you to say "Eff you, walls, I have Drill ammo" and shoot through anything, at the price of +50 weight.

As for giving an infiltrator a DPS advantage at all distances, not really. If you're talking about hipfiring all day everyday, the fact is that hipfiring is kinda inaccurate on a sniper rifle, and there are no pellets like on a shotgun. Making a slight miss even more dangerous than with a shotgun, as with a shotgun, there are still some pellets that connect, unless you're a terrible shot.

Even if they remove the hipfire penalty, I'd still prefer a shotgun or a side arm for CQC than a sniper rifle.

[UEG Donkey]

The original OP didn't mention an increase in weight but regardless having iron sights would give you better situational awareness but I have to disagree when you and OP minimize the effect that removing the penalty would have on infiltrators, you don't have to be accurate when you are flanking boss enemies and while shotguns are better versus shield gate an iron sight sniper is still more versatile and subject to the bonus to sniper damage bonus TC grants infiltrators

[Diogo Marzo]

I voted for this already but ya, on the face of it pretty cool idea. Wonder if it would make other weapons obsolete though. Maybe if hip penalty continued on and you had to actually use the iron sight?

[Uh Cold]

I welcome negative stats associated with the mod as long as it can meet everyones definition of "balance."

Modifié par Uh Cold, 05 novembre 2012 - 09:51 .

[Abramsrunner]

The only down side this mod would have that I can see is a accuracy decrease for not having the scope on.

[I_pity_the_fool]

Since I tried the crusader shotgun, I think this would be a superb mod.

[Savato93]

Uh Cold wrote...

I welcome negative stats associated with the mod as long as it can meet everyones definition of "balance."

A 15-20% accuracy penalty? You would obviously lose some precision by removing a fine-tuned scope, even if the iron sights were just as well-cared for.

[Uh Cold]

Savato93 wrote...

Uh Cold wrote...

I welcome negative stats associated with the mod as long as it can meet everyones definition of "balance."

A
15-20% accuracy penalty? You would obviously lose some precision by
removing a fine-tuned scope, even if the iron sights were just as
well-cared for.

Yea but that is a small negative, doesn't balance enough for those not for the idea.

Modifié par Uh Cold, 09 novembre 2012 - 12:19 .

[Eurhetemec]

I don't think removing the hip-fire penalty entirely would really be appropriate, because it would make a number of sniper rifles kind ridiculously easy to use and ridiculously powerful (yes, a really good player quickscoping is close to that already - but it actually takes a modicum of skill - removing hip-fire entirely would make make it a no-brainer).

I would, however, welcome a simple iron sight mod that *reduced* the hip-fire penalty (by perhaps 5% per level of the mod so halving the basic 50% penalty by rank V), removed the scope entirely, and perhaps gave a small accuracy penalty (maybe 30% for I, 25% II, 20% III, 15% IV, 10% V) as well. Obviously when using the iron sights there would be no hip-fire penalty, only when actually hip-firing.

I don't think it'd happen, because unlike other mods, it would require re-doing the model of every SR in the game, rather than just sticking extra bits on, because the SRs all have scopes.

Modifié par Eurhetemec, 09 novembre 2012 - 01:28 .

[Arppis]

rmccowen wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Only if it brings the hipfire penalty to the scopeless gun. Then it's balanced.

As I said somewhere a few pages ago, I'm fine with the hipfire penalty being carried over. If you aim down the )1x iron) sights, you don't have the hipfire penalty; if you hipfire, you keep whatever the existing penalty is.

I still want the mod.

I mean it transfers to the iron sights. When you aim down the irons instead of scope, you lose damage.

Otherwise, what's the point of other guns? I'm actualy interested to see how this mod affects Black Ops 2.

Modifié par Arppis, 09 novembre 2012 - 01:35 .

[banans_huligans]

/signed

also how about giving new scope mod that has from 1.5x- 2.5x magnification?