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[crju2005]

I'd think, cool i don't have to revive you because you can do that yourself. LOL jk

Doesn't matter what banner they have, as long as I get to play.

[essarr71]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

There are lots of different skill sets they may or may not be good at, but what it tells me is thier combined skills should at least make them (for the 4th time) Gold viable players. Which specific individual skills they possess may of course differ.

Never once did I say or imply it doesn't mean much.

I said you meant for it to be a slight, and you did. And no, I fully do not expect you to admit that because you're obviously a dishonest person.

What the hell are you talking about my "brave defense of sprinting"? 

You're soooo close to seeing things from my point of view.  We're almost there!

Lets say I'm a great soldier but a horrible adept.  I want to play as an adept.  I use my lone wolf banner cause I'm damn proud of it.  Does it mean I'm a good adept?  Of course not.

That's my point.  The only thing you can know for sure when looking at a lone wolf banner is that the person got the banner.  It doesn't tell you how they did or what theyre good at.  They're good at something, sure, but you don't know what.

So.. since you can solo gold on any class and kit.. but you can't solo gold by camping in one spot...  What does the banner prove?

And please don't call me dishonest.  I'm using conclusions you agree are factual.

[Persona RED]

Not really intimidated by it. The Mass Effect title will be the one I stand in awe of.

[reioni]

idk they shouldnt.  I'm terrible but even i managed to get it.  Every time i get in a game i wonder if ppl are thinking, "wtf how did she get lone wolf?" ( Krogard ftw!)  With a little time, practice, patients and a lot of kiting, i think most players could get it.  I think ppl just see solo gold and panic.

Modifié par reioni, 26 octobre 2012 - 11:59 .

[ParatrooperSean]

essarr71 wrote...

ParatrooperSean wrote...

There are lots of different skill sets they may or may not be good at, but what it tells me is thier combined skills should at least make them (for the 4th time) Gold viable players. Which specific individual skills they possess may of course differ.

Never once did I say or imply it doesn't mean much.

I said you meant for it to be a slight, and you did. And no, I fully do not expect you to admit that because you're obviously a dishonest person.

What the hell are you talking about my "brave defense of sprinting"? 

You're soooo close to seeing things from my point of view.  We're almost there!

Lets say I'm a great soldier but a horrible adept.  I want to play as an adept.  I use my lone wolf banner cause I'm damn proud of it.  Does it mean I'm a good adept?  Of course not.

That's my point.  The only thing you can know for sure when looking at a lone wolf banner is that the person got the banner.  It doesn't tell you how they did or what theyre good at.  They're good at something, sure, but you don't know what.

So.. since you can solo gold on any class and kit.. but you can't solo gold by camping in one spot...  What does the banner prove?

And please don't call me dishonest.  I'm using conclusions you agree are factual.

You're back peddling. You said the *only* thing it shows they're good at is moving from one side of the map to the other. And you meant it as a slight. 

*Now* you are making a reasonable assertion that they might not be good with some classes, although I would argue a Gold viable player can at least hold his/her own with any class - meaning they won't be so bad they're completely out of place on Gold. 

Soloing Gold takes a lot more skills than ONLY (the word you used) being good at running from one side of the map to the other. Again, you were attempting to trivialize the achievment. 

[Giantdeathrobot]

Not really.

I rather say ''sweet, that guy is pretty much certain not to suck''. I've yet to be proven incorrect. Albeit they never seem to carry the team, just top the scoreboard while everyone has a smooth run. So bring dem banners people!

[essarr71]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

You're back peddling. You said the *only* thing it shows they're good at is moving from one side of the map to the other. And you meant it as a slight.

I'll unback peddle.  Does it prove they're not a missle glitcher?  (Granted, on PC, you can avoid that nonsense.)

*Now* you are making a reasonable assertion that they might not be good with some classes, although I would argue a Gold viable player can at least hold his/her own with any class - meaning they won't be so bad they're completely out of place on Gold.

And yet there are plenty of testimonials here that say otherwise.  Even as low as bronze.  An indication of skill? Perhaps.  A proof of skill?  No.

Soloing Gold takes a lot more skills than ONLY (the word you used) being good at running from one side of the map to the other. Again, you were attempting to trivialize the achievment.

I said the banner ONLY PROVES one thing.  Why are you so determined to make it the end all of banners?  I'd expect a lone wolf to know what they were doing.  But I'll know they can when I see it - be it on a vid or in a match.

It's a curious thing, really.  We agree on many aspects of this.  Is it because I don't have the banner?  Is it because I need to prove I can solo Gold for my logic to have any value for you?  You say I trivialize the banner.. I say you're an elitist who holds it too tight like a blanket.  "OMG.. She said I only know how to run!"  I've made no other assumptions.  You could be the best player in the world, I wouldn't know.  So could I.  You wouldn't know, either.  But I know you ran around a zone 30 or 40 times.  You feel it's an insult that I don't appreciate that.  I'm wondering why you think it proves anything, or that I don't respect the effort.  It's tough.  And bad luck can kill a perfectly executed plan.  But you could have glitched your way through it for all I know.

Tell me what abilities - taking into account how this thread is hardly a unanimous herald of the glory of lone wolves - the banner establishes absolutely.  What universal constant am I missing? 

Modifié par essarr71, 27 octobre 2012 - 01:11 .

[ISHYGDDT]

essarr71 wrote...

ParatrooperSean wrote...

You're back peddling. You said the *only* thing it shows they're good at is moving from one side of the map to the other. And you meant it as a slight.

I'll unback peddle.  Does it prove they're not a missle glitcher?  (Granted, on PC, you can avoid that nonsense.)

 

Pretty sure you can't missile glitch on host since it requires lag to host to work.  However, I'm on PC as well and know not of such things.

I'm not sure why this is a constant accusation among haters.  

Modifié par ISHYGDDT, 27 octobre 2012 - 01:31 .

[Wynne]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

A few banners require some level of skill, like solo and map mastery (you have to play Gold & Platinum).

No, just Gold. Hazard Waves completes the Map Mastery challenge (I think those were my first completions because I thought they were so much fun to play on). Technically, you could probably play with friends and hide in a corner the whole match, but I'm not sure who'd be that lame or who would let them be just to get this achievement--that would be a whole lot of hours spent just hitting A & D to make sure you don't get kicked after 2 minutes. So it does imply that a player has lived through at least 400 waves of Gold, with a 99.9% certainty of having been at least marginally useful, and probably more.

I only got to wave 9 in my first solo attempt on the Hazard version of FBG, though admittedly, that was more a whim to see how far I could get and I didn't apply consumables. Still kicking myself for that a little. Then two friends popped in unexpectedly, picked me up, and we got through, which still makes me laugh. But I can say from the experience that it takes skill. Kiting alone is not enough. You have to stay alive to kite things and not get sniped while you're running. Geth Bombers, Hunters, and Primes are all stagger-happy, two of them from across the map. Pyros do ridiculous damage, and everything seems to spawn directly behind you these days, so it's not like even the "easy" method is easy, just free of sync kills. 

Everyone with any Gold experience knows that a solo takes skill. Hell, even soloing Bronze does, as you pointed out. Though a few people from each banner you see could've somehow cheated to get it, and a few Lone Wolves may get so cocky after soloing Gold that they leave a bad impression on others by thinking "Whatever, I can Rambo this s***, it's only Silver!" with classes and weapons they don't know as well as their Kroguard, who also don't have awesome shields or Biotic Charge, most of the time you can assume good things when you see Lone Wolf or Nomad. (And even Biotic God/Mathemagician, which means you at least have to know something about TBs/BEs, even if you're creating them accidentally.) 

 Beyond that, cliche but true, don't feed the trolls. 

[SlayerGP]

Taritu wrote...

Nope. I've outscored more than half the lone wolves I've seen. It doesn't mean much.

Scoring doesn't mean much either. I usually top the board when I play Fury, Demolisher, Destroyer or Kroguard.  But you can't expect a LW or anyone else for that matter to be a high scorer if they're playing Volus Adept. Depends on the class and the build. Support classes are important too.

[Star fury]

Hilarious read. I'd rather have LW bearer than any other banner. It means at worst player soloed gold with krogard vs geth. Others mean grinding/spending time playing.

[Zoetropes]

...does the $10 offer extend to other people? (just kidding)

[palker]

Lone Wolf banner means nothing to me. I remember playing lobby with 2 lone wolfs expecting it to be easy credits with 2 persons skilled enough to solo a gold match. The match ended with wipe on wave 7. I have seen to many people with this banner and most of them probably got it by accident or something since they did not seem to be all that good.

[Turian Master Race]

No, just people are not convinced that the lone wolf will be a good team player. Advertising that you are lone wolf in a team game does not seem to be a bright idea. Personally, I do not care.

[Ham411]

Nah if i see a lone wolf banner i assume they can hold their own and see it as an asset if we lose some of the team. Unfortunately thats not always the case and have seen some that didn't even come close to my expectation.

[xxprokillazxx]

A lone wolf nope not intimidated if anything I see it as a challenge to beat them in score and then watch them at wave 11 trying to rocket everything trying to pass my score.

[cronshaw]

I'm dubious about my own ability to solo gold. I'm going to try to get the banner, but i'm not just not sure how it will go.
That is why it so surprising to me to be in a match with a Lone Wolf who is not appreciably better than me
and that has happened.

[Screenbetween]

The pride in achieving the Lone Wolf banner (legally) is completely justified, and should be celebrated. The banner represents one of the most difficult challenge achievements in the game!

Here's my analysis:

I'd venture to guess only about 1-5% of the player-base can currently pull it off.

Those of you proclaiming it to mean nothing want it most. Yet the strong skill-set it demands highly frustrates you.

There's also the believability issue. How can one truly know it was achieved without skirting some of the rules?

Your mind reels, then settles on the only other option remaining.. Feign cool aloofness at all times.

All of this makes the mere sight of the damn banner intolerable, and you become filled with the infamous, passive-aggressive gamer rage.

Or not..

Modifié par Screenbetween, 27 octobre 2012 - 12:32 .

[Wynne]

 Man, people get awfully snide about the challenges. Sour grapes, I guess. 

Granted, it shouldn't be a requirement, and I don't make it one. I play with bannerless people often. But no, it doesn't just mean you "blew some time" (unless you mean N7 Mastery and the Aliens/Weapons categories, which only indicate a fondnes for leveling/certain weapons/a certain DLC pack). 

Every other General Challenge banner--Operator, Hardcore, Lone Wolf, Nomad, and even Biotic God/Mathemagician--at least require an understanding of how the game works and/or a significant amount of Gold experience. They guarantee you're playing with someone who at least has half a brain, unless they cheated somehow, in which case you have the comfort that they will at least be banned in the future.

Modifié par Wynne, 27 octobre 2012 - 01:35 .

[KrizB]

So far the few random LoneWolfs that I have run into could barely hold their own in Silver, so no.
Its just another banner to me.

[skiadopsendow]

When i see a lone wolf on gold, i think: well this public gold match will not be bad. I don't know if i was lucky or what, but pretty much every lone wolf i've played with, was a decent player

Modifié par skiadopsendow, 27 octobre 2012 - 02:12 .

[Bob Garbage]

I don't even pay attention to the banners people have.

[Uh Cold]

JackKnife23 wrote...

Lone wolf means nothing... easiest title to get

[Auras_Mendalla]

 No I'm not intimidated, why would I be? I wouldn't go for that banner anyway, since I actually have friends and don't have to play by myself. Losers.

Modifié par Auras_Mendalla, 27 octobre 2012 - 03:06 .

[ichyscrachy]

Intimidated? Not until they stop laughing at you.