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[TheButterflyEffect]

I'm confused here. Are Templars supposed to be chaste? Or not.

The first game made it seem like Templars were all celibate and stuff. You've got one who turns down your advances, and another who is a total virgin and says he was taught that sexuality is all "wrong" and stuff, and makes it sound like Templar vows forbid being sexual in any way.

Then in the second game, we meet Templars who've got wives and kids and stuff, and go to prostitutes. So obviously, they're familiar with the horizontal boogie.

So... I'm confused here.

[Felya87]

it's a thing I asked myself more than one time...

maybe in Kirkwall the severity is only for the Mages?

[Harle Cerulean]

Chaste does not equal celibate, despite common misconception. Celibate = no sex. Chaste = circumspect in it, generally not outside of marriage/not in contravention of moral standards. The Templars who frequent the brothel aren't supposed to be there, but there's nothing against Templars getting married. Chaste is sometimes used to mean celibate, but it's really not the same thing.

[TEWR]

They can marry, provided their spouse has a means of supporting themselves since the Templars are often living in Circles or Chantries.

[Maria Caliban]

They can have sex, but are expected to not be Isabelas.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Funny. I wonder why there was not mention of any married Templars in the first game.

[thats1evildude]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Funny. I wonder why there was not mention of any married Templars in the first game.

Because the mage/templar conflict wasn't central to DAO's plot. Aside from Greagoir and Cullen, there were no significant templar characters and and thus no need to delve into the personal lives of the order.

The fact that Wesley was a templar and not, say, another solider in the King's army was the reason Aveline was generally biased against mages.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 26 octobre 2012 - 08:26 .

[Harle Cerulean]

thats1evildude wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Funny. I wonder why there was not mention of any married Templars in the first game.

Because the mage/templar conflict wasn't central to DAO's plot. Aside from Greagoir and Cullen, there were no significant templar characters and and thus no need to delve into the personal lives of the order.

The fact that Wesley was a templar and not, say, another solider in the King's army was the reason Aveline was generally biased against mages.

Actually, Aveline's stance is more pro-order and law than 'anti-mage'.  Her bias came not from her marriage, but to her dedication to the rules laid down by her society.

[thats1evildude]

Aveline is more than willing to bend the rules when it comes to doing the right thing. By law, she should have arrested Kelder, but she more than happily signs off on you shanking the poor bugger.

I think Aveline simply knew from her marriage to Wesley that the templars were not all vile oppressors but men and women devoted to a higher purpose.

But this is all beside the point. The important thing to take away from my post is that it was not necessary to spell out that templars could marry in DAO.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 26 octobre 2012 - 08:42 .

[Harle Cerulean]

thats1evildude wrote...

Aveline is more than willing to bend the rules when it comes to doing the right thing. By law, she should have arrested Kelder, but she more than happily signs off on you shanking the poor bugger.

I think Aveline simply knew from experience that the templars were not all vile oppressors but served a necessary purpose.

But this is all beside the point. The important thing to take away from my post is that it was not necessary to spell out that templars could marry in DAO.

I'd cheerfully argue with you about the extent of that willingness, but you're right that the point relevant here is not her bias and the reasons for it.  It's that every Cullen fangirl can happily imagine themselves married to their dreamboat without completely smashing lore to pieces.  

That was the point, right?

[AlexanderCousland]

Well, Ser Alrik, yea...that dude. He liked to rape tranquil mages.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Cullen is a d**kless pantywaist...

[Eludajae]

NO they are neither. We see in DA2 that they can marry and such. It was the Knight Commanders orders that those that served inside the Tower were not to fraternize with the mages within.  And that was just that Tower's Knight Commanders rules.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

FreshIstay wrote...

Well, Ser Alrik, yea...that dude. He liked to rape tranquil mages.

I too love girls that can't say NO.  

And the Templars doesn't live in celibate. It was already in some comics for Dragon Age before even DA2, though i can't remember the name, where Templar already had kid.

[marshalleck]

They're super aggro. Probably have lots of pent up sexual angst. I'm going with chaste.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Why can't they do the tango with the mages? Gregoire is a real turd...

[Potato Cat]

I remember reading somewhere a long time ago if they want to marry, they need a special permit or something. Probably wrong though.

[Dhiro]

I'm assuming that they can marry, but sex outside marriage is a no-no, and even then, only in the positions allowed by the Chantry.

[Harle Cerulean]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Why can't they do the tango with the mages? Gregoire is a real turd...

Yes, it's such horrible leadership to insist your jailers not screw the inmates.  

[TheButterflyEffect]

Hey, why not? Sex happens. It's better to live and let live, rather than keep your desires pent up inside and let them fester. And mage babies are gonna be born regardless.

And I thought they were Chantry brothers and sisters like the others? Forced to be sexless for ever. Hence why Sebastian can't even bang his own wife. Like WTF Bioware.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 26 octobre 2012 - 03:22 .

[Wulfram]

In DA:O gave the very strong impression that they were an order of celibate (and male) warrior monks. For example, a bit of dialogue between Leliana and Alistair

Alistair: So... let me get this straight. You were a cloistered sister?
Leliana: You must have been a brother before you became a templar, no?
Alistair: I never actually became a templar. I was recruited into the Grey Wardens before I took my final vows

But then in DAA we got female Templars and in DA2 we got a married one. I think they decided to tweak the order a bit, but I can't call it a retcon since it was never explicitly established

Modifié par Wulfram, 26 octobre 2012 - 03:25 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Bioware will gladly retcon or change the rules for the sake of romance........... just saying.

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 26 octobre 2012 - 03:27 .

[brushyourteeth]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Chaste does not equal celibate, despite common misconception. Celibate = no sex. Chaste = circumspect in it, generally not outside of marriage/not in contravention of moral standards. The Templars who frequent the brothel aren't supposed to be there, but there's nothing against Templars getting married. Chaste is sometimes used to mean celibate, but it's really not the same thing.

Great explanation. Alistair says that the Chantry taught him to not take sex lightly, not necessarily that it was completely templar-forbidden.

[brushyourteeth]

Wulfram wrote...

In DA:O gave the very strong impression that they were an order of celibate (and male) warrior monks. For example, a bit of dialogue between Leliana and Alistair

Alistair: So... let me get this straight. You were a cloistered sister?
Leliana: You must have been a brother before you became a templar, no?
Alistair: I never actually became a templar. I was recruited into the Grey Wardens before I took my final vows

But then in DAA we got female Templars and in DA2 we got a married one. I think they decided to tweak the order a bit, but I can't call it a retcon since it was never explicitly established

Yeah, I think this is a case of our real-life understanding of (one) religious history creeping into our perception of the game. Those "final vows" didn't necessarily have anything to do with celibacy, though they would for a Catholic monk, nun, or priest in real life.