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[ioannisdenton]

This is not a review for DA2 and  i would like to conclude that for dragon age 3 let's not create in our minds what we would like it to be, like ME3 and DA2 back then.
Iposted this at DA2 forums but i want devs to see it.

Until my current 3rd playthrough i hated DA2. i did not like the combat,
the waves of enemies, Hawke, his voice, Isabella and her sexism, the
companions were not like DA:O, the fact that DA2 is rushed, the lack of
consequences and lots of others. 
I was in the camp "DA2 is abysmal so burn every copy".
I decided to replay da2 as i run out of rpg's.

I approached DA2 with the knowledge of the wavy combat so i played more
carefully and not spamming button awesome abilities without a reason.
I approached DA2 with the knowledge that i was going to see "that map" again and again.
I approached DA2 with the knowledge that inevitably the same story will happen.

Suddenly something sparked inside me, the story feels personal now, i feel the
series of events Hawkes is participating is shaping the events that are
to come. this is great. He met Anders in order to participate the expedition in order
to have a chance at kirkwall etc
Some quests really feel very good and i like the fact that the story is not grand epic.
The interactions with companions and friendship-rivarly is the best feature bioware ever made for companions.
I like Isabella, aveline and fenris. Varric feels like a friend like Alistair and Morrigan did. Anders is kinda whinny though but in DAA he was likeable.
The music is fantastic. New tracks and returning themes from DAO.

So many skill tress and there is quite some thought on what you are going
to put points. Damage dealing without any utility or party-friendly talents does
not work for me. i have to move companions out of the way , to
reposition them, to create cross class combos. it is not just select the
whole party and nuke the same mob.
I was doing that the last two playthroghs and was getting owned.
Even the game is more actiony you still have to be tactical ( in hard or nightmare difficulty).
Some quests were very well done, i liked the qunari a lot and the Arishok is very intimidating.
I still have critisicm about the game but it's been said again and again.
If you get past the recycled enviroments and get used to the combat and know what to expect DA2 is very good game.
Bioware has done a very good job given the timeframe. I will actually buy Legacy and MOTA DLC as ienjoy the game wand want to experience more story.

As for DA3 i would say what many have said: Keep the good stuff from DA2 and good from DA3 and improve them.

Modifié par ioannisdenton, 26 octobre 2012 - 12:12 .

[Montana]

As a game, DA2 is not bad.
As the sequel to DA:O it's pretty bad.

I would have no problem if it'd been called "Hawkes awesome Kirkwall shenanigans".
But they called it DA2 which is some big shoes to fill.

There's the problem.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Is this a troll topic? Why should you apologise for not liking a game? Dragon Age 2 WAS rubbish, Awakening was even bigger rubbish and Origins while being somewhat enjoyable was nowhere near as great as some people try to make it out to be, I apologise for nothing because it is the honest truth.

Are we so starved for decent RPGs these days we have to resort to making false messiahs out of any old rubbish that claims to be an old school RPG? Dispite what you may claim Dragon Age 2 wasnt considered rubbish because "Origins set an impossibly high standard with its awesomeness", Dragon Age 2 was considered rubbish because it was exactly that, rubbish.

[Salaya]

This is not even DA3 related, shouldn't a mod close this topic?

[JerZey CJ]

Tony77A wrote...

As a game, DA2 is not bad.
As the sequel to DA:O it's pretty bad.

I would have no problem if it'd been called "Hawkes awesome Kirkwall shenanigans".
But they called it DA2 which is some big shoes to fill.

There's the problem.

I think I agree with this. If it had been called something completely different and not been made by BW, it would have been a decent game. But, it was the sequel to DA:O and made by BW.

[Blackrising]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Is this a troll topic? Why should you apologise for not liking a game? Dragon Age 2 WAS rubbish, Awakening was even bigger rubbish and Origins while being somewhat enjoyable was nowhere near as great as some people try to make it out to be, I apologise for nothing because it is the honest truth.

Are we so starved for decent RPGs these days we have to resort to making false messiahs out of any old rubbish that claims to be an old school RPG? Dispite what you may claim Dragon Age 2 wasnt considered rubbish because "Origins set an impossibly high standard with its awesomeness", Dragon Age 2 was considered rubbish because it was exactly that, rubbish.

So, if you think that all the DA games were pretty much rubbish...what are you doing here?

[fchopin]

Salaya wrote...

This is not even DA3 related, shouldn't a mod close this topic?

This...

[Rembred]

first tme playing DA2 never even thinking that there was somewhere bad, very much liked game, only when others begin to comment about repetitive and small locations, rememberd that really was like this but i more been fascinated in story so get good opinion about game. Now playng for perfect walkrough DAO and than DA2 still feelling that were cool games. Really even if DA3 was just like DA2 i think i will be play the game and get fun.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Blackrising wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Is this a troll topic? Why should you apologise for not liking a game? Dragon Age 2 WAS rubbish, Awakening was even bigger rubbish and Origins while being somewhat enjoyable was nowhere near as great as some people try to make it out to be, I apologise for nothing because it is the honest truth.

Are we so starved for decent RPGs these days we have to resort to making false messiahs out of any old rubbish that claims to be an old school RPG? Dispite what you may claim Dragon Age 2 wasnt considered rubbish because "Origins set an impossibly high standard with its awesomeness", Dragon Age 2 was considered rubbish because it was exactly that, rubbish.

So, if you think that all the DA games were pretty much rubbish...what are you doing here?

I ask myself that same question and the reality is that I dont actually have an answer for you. In truth I am still somewhat interested in seeing how DA3 turns out, why that is I dont really know but Bioware did make one of my favorite games of all time so I guess that does at least make me want to see what their latest offerings are.

Besides I never said Origins was rubbish, just nowhere near as great as many claim it to be.

[Mazebook]

ioannisdenton wrote...

As for DA3 i would say what many have said: Keep the good stuff from DA2 and good from DA3 and improve them.

agreed and i believe bioware has a good idea on what worked and what did not.

[Blackrising]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Is this a troll topic? Why should you apologise for not liking a game? Dragon Age 2 WAS rubbish, Awakening was even bigger rubbish and Origins while being somewhat enjoyable was nowhere near as great as some people try to make it out to be, I apologise for nothing because it is the honest truth.

Are we so starved for decent RPGs these days we have to resort to making false messiahs out of any old rubbish that claims to be an old school RPG? Dispite what you may claim Dragon Age 2 wasnt considered rubbish because "Origins set an impossibly high standard with its awesomeness", Dragon Age 2 was considered rubbish because it was exactly that, rubbish.

So, if you think that all the DA games were pretty much rubbish...what are you doing here?

I ask myself that same question and the reality is that I dont actually have an answer for you. In truth I am still somewhat interested in seeing how DA3 turns out, why that is I dont really know but Bioware did make one of my favorite games of all time so I guess that does at least make me want to see what their latest offerings are.

Besides I never said Origins was rubbish, just nowhere near as great as many claim it to be.

Thanks for the answer.
I was just genuinly interested, since there are some folks here who do nothing but complain about how DA 3 is gonna suck just like DA 2...and yet they're still here. That gets confusing sometimes.

[ioannisdenton]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Is this a troll topic? Why should you apologise for not liking a game? Dragon Age 2 WAS rubbish, Awakening was even bigger rubbish and Origins while being somewhat enjoyable was nowhere near as great as some people try to make it out to be, I apologise for nothing because it is the honest truth.

Are we so starved for decent RPGs these days we have to resort to making false messiahs out of any old rubbish that claims to be an old school RPG? Dispite what you may claim Dragon Age 2 wasnt considered rubbish because "Origins set an impossibly high standard with its awesomeness", Dragon Age 2 was considered rubbish because it was exactly that, rubbish.

this is not trolling and it belongs to this forum. it is about mindless negativity these forums get sometimes.
Like your statement "Dragon Age 2 was considered rubbish because it was exactly that, rubbish." or "Awakening was Rubbish" are you serious? i enjoyed it and i think most people enjoyed it too.
Hyperbole at it's best.
Yeah Origins was better , what are we going to do about it? Be pessimistic about DA3? Stating "please Bw don't make a sequel like DA2?"
As for dragon age 2 , your opinion vs my opinion.
I am enjoying the game so much at the moment that i regret my past critisicm at bioware. that is all.
 DA2 has it's faults sure but it has it's highs too. like it or not. You should play it again too with a more open mind.
Some features of it are way better than DAO (let's not discuss the same things over and over) (and i repeat i like DAO better).
Take Me3 for example. Negativity at it's best. Give the dev's a break. We complained about the endings immensly 6 months ago and stil that forum is littered with endings complaints. lets deal with it and move on.

I don't find Me3 perfect or better than Me2
I don't think DA2 is the best DA sequel bioware should release
and you know what? this is ok.

Modifié par ioannisdenton, 26 octobre 2012 - 11:55 .

[marshalleck]

Dragon Age 2 was a better RPG than Mass Effect 2, I will give the DAO team credit for that.

[SpunkyMonkey]

I really can't rely on an opinion from someone so dim that they post a Dragon Age 2 topic in Dragon Age 3 forum.

I guess that DA:2 is for those type of people.

Those of us who don't start every sentence with either "errr" or "durrr" will just continue to enjoy DA:O.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 26 octobre 2012 - 12:01 .

[ioannisdenton]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

I really can't rely on an opinion from someone so dim that they post a Dragon Age 2 topic in Dragon Age 3 forum.

I guess that DA:2 is for those type of people.

Those of us who don't start every sentence with either "errr" or "durrr" will just continue to enjoy DA:O.

This post is about negativity. You can see it in these forums. there is a active thread right now if you look.
i did not say that you arent supposed to enjoy DA:O. But DA2 haters say that i should not enjoy DA2.

[AlexJK]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Those of us who don't start every sentence with either "errr" or "durrr" will just continue to enjoy DA:O.

What a stupid, childish comment. And you think you're some kind of better, smarter person do you? Grow up.

[jstme]

You have every right to enjoy DA2. Good for you, i am glad you finally like the game.
Though If DA3 will be sort of DA2+ (and all the signs so far point in that direction) i am certainly not going to buy it, but i will be happy for you. Hope there will be enough people to purchase the game so that there will be more then 2 DLCs made for it, too.

[ioannisdenton]

jstme wrote...

You have every right to enjoy DA2. Good for you, i am glad you finally like the game.
Though If DA3 will be sort of DA2+ (and all the signs so far point in that direction) i am certainly not going to buy it, but i will be happy for you. Hope there will be enough people to purchase the game so that there will be more then 2 DLCs made for it, too.

i was in your camp untill the last 2 weeks. seriously. But i can see the value in Dragon age2.

hmm maybe Me3 changed me.
It gave me new possibilities...
i ..don't know..

[SpunkyMonkey]

ioannisdenton wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

I really can't rely on an opinion from someone so dim that they post a Dragon Age 2 topic in Dragon Age 3 forum.

I guess that DA:2 is for those type of people.

Those of us who don't start every sentence with either "errr" or "durrr" will just continue to enjoy DA:O.

This post is about negativity. You can see it in these forums. there is a active thread right now if you look.
i did not say that you arent supposed to enjoy DA:O. But DA2 haters say that i should not enjoy DA2.

No, I'm saying that you discuss DA:2 in the DA:2 forum. Regardless of "negativity" the core of your subject matter is DA:2 - hence it belongs on that board. The fact that you can't seem to do such a simple thing devalues your opinion on the game in my eyes. It's only my opinion, but there it is.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 26 octobre 2012 - 12:38 .

[SpunkyMonkey]

AlexJK wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Those of us who don't start every sentence with either "errr" or "durrr" will just continue to enjoy DA:O.

What a stupid, childish comment. And you think you're some kind of better, smarter person do you? Grow up.

I don't think I'm better than anyone, I just think failing to adhere to one of the most basic rules of a forum shows a lack of intelligence/awareness/whatever - that in turn makes me question the value of that person's opinion as that same lack of intelligence/awreness/whatever will effect their perception of the game.


the fact that they have tried to use "negativity" as a blantanly, post-post excuse devalues that opinion even further IMO too.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 26 octobre 2012 - 12:45 .

[ioannisdenton]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

I really can't rely on an opinion from someone so dim that they post a Dragon Age 2 topic in Dragon Age 3 forum.

I guess that DA:2 is for those type of people.

Those of us who don't start every sentence with either "errr" or "durrr" will just continue to enjoy DA:O.

This post is about negativity. You can see it in these forums. there is a active thread right now if you look.
i did not say that you arent supposed to enjoy DA:O. But DA2 haters say that i should not enjoy DA2.

No, I'm saying that you discuss DA:2 in the DA:2 forum. The fact that you can't seem to do such a simple thing devalues your opinion on the game in my eyes. It's only my opinion, but there it is.

i actually did create the same thread at DA2 forums. reason i posted this here is
1. i want Bw to see it as Bw seems to get very bad critisicm.
2. This actually has to do about negativity. Da2 took quite some backlash and as i see now it did not deserve that amount of backlash

[SpunkyMonkey]

ioannisdenton wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

I really can't rely on an opinion from someone so dim that they post a Dragon Age 2 topic in Dragon Age 3 forum.

I guess that DA:2 is for those type of people.

Those of us who don't start every sentence with either "errr" or "durrr" will just continue to enjoy DA:O.

This post is about negativity. You can see it in these forums. there is a active thread right now if you look.
i did not say that you arent supposed to enjoy DA:O. But DA2 haters say that i should not enjoy DA2.

No, I'm saying that you discuss DA:2 in the DA:2 forum. The fact that you can't seem to do such a simple thing devalues your opinion on the game in my eyes. It's only my opinion, but there it is.

i actually did create the same thread at DA2 forums. reason i posted this here is
1. i want Bw to see it as Bw seems to get very bad critisicm.
2. This actually has to do about negativity. Da2 took quite some backlash and as i see now it did not deserve that amount of backlash

Why did you think that, on their own forum monitored by many mods, they wouldn't have seen it on the DA:2 board?

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 26 octobre 2012 - 12:41 .

[ioannisdenton]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Why did you think that, on their own forum monitored by many mods, they wouldn't have seen it on the DA:2 board?

Well i did post it here also .
What is the fault with that? it is da2 related thread you tell me, yet you keep bumping it with your posts.
I am saying my opinion.
I think the dragon age team did very well for the given timeframe yet we almost burn them to the ground. i want to state that. i want to give away good faith to the dragon age team.

[SpunkyMonkey]

ioannisdenton wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Why did you think that, on their own forum monitored by many mods, they wouldn't have seen it on the DA:2 board?

Well i did post it here also .
What is the fault with that? it is da2 related thread you tell me, yet you keep bumping it with your posts.
I am saying my opinion.
I think the dragon age team did very well for the given timeframe yet we almost burn them to the ground. i want to state that. i want to give away good faith to the dragon age team.

Yes it is a DA:2 thread - the clue is in the title...........
My guilt for my DA2'stance makes me to say this: Bioware Ι totally reconsider. Given it's shortcomings DA2 is very good.
...........................DA:2 is mentioned twice in the title.

If you wished the thread to be about negativity towards Bioware it should have been titled "Negativity Towards Bioware"
 Which I think is where our conversation should end as if you can't spot that in a thread which you created yourself then you'll be resorting to "errrr and "durr" sooner than we know it.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 26 octobre 2012 - 12:58 .

[ioannisdenton]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Why did you think that, on their own forum monitored by many mods, they wouldn't have seen it on the DA:2 board?

Well i did post it here also .
What is the fault with that? it is da2 related thread you tell me, yet you keep bumping it with your posts.
I am saying my opinion.
I think the dragon age team did very well for the given timeframe yet we almost burn them to the ground. i want to state that. i want to give away good faith to the dragon age team.

Yes it is a DA:2 thread - the clue is in the title...........
My guilt for my DA2'stance makes me to say this: Bioware Ι totally reconsider. Given it's shortcomings DA2 is very good.
...........................DA:2 is mentioned twice in the title. Which I think is where our conversation should end as if you can't spot that in a thread which you created yourself then you'll be resorting to "errrr and "durr" sooner than we know it.

yes it is DA2 thread that wants to motivate the dragon age team.
Simple as that.
Nothing less and nothing more.
It would be nice if many other people motivated bioware instead of " errrr and "durr bioware will ruin dragon age once again"