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[SpunkyMonkey]

ioannisdenton wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Why did you think that, on their own forum monitored by many mods, they wouldn't have seen it on the DA:2 board?

Well i did post it here also .
What is the fault with that? it is da2 related thread you tell me, yet you keep bumping it with your posts.
I am saying my opinion.
I think the dragon age team did very well for the given timeframe yet we almost burn them to the ground. i want to state that. i want to give away good faith to the dragon age team.

Yes it is a DA:2 thread - the clue is in the title...........
My guilt for my DA2'stance makes me to say this: Bioware Ι totally reconsider. Given it's shortcomings DA2 is very good.
...........................DA:2 is mentioned twice in the title. Which I think is where our conversation should end as if you can't spot that in a thread which you created yourself then you'll be resorting to "errrr and "durr" sooner than we know it.

yes it is DA2 thread that wants to motivate the dragon age team.
Simple as that.
Nothing less and nothing more.
It would be nice if many other people motivated bioware instead of " errrr and "durr bioware will ruin dragon age once again"

I motivate them by paying their wages via games sales.

[ioannisdenton]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Why did you think that, on their own forum monitored by many mods, they wouldn't have seen it on the DA:2 board?

Well i did post it here also .
What is the fault with that? it is da2 related thread you tell me, yet you keep bumping it with your posts.
I am saying my opinion.
I think the dragon age team did very well for the given timeframe yet we almost burn them to the ground. i want to state that. i want to give away good faith to the dragon age team.

Yes it is a DA:2 thread - the clue is in the title...........
My guilt for my DA2'stance makes me to say this: Bioware Ι totally reconsider. Given it's shortcomings DA2 is very good.
...........................DA:2 is mentioned twice in the title. Which I think is where our conversation should end as if you can't spot that in a thread which you created yourself then you'll be resorting to "errrr and "durr" sooner than we know it.

yes it is DA2 thread that wants to motivate the dragon age team.
Simple as that.
Nothing less and nothing more.
It would be nice if many other people motivated bioware instead of " errrr and "durr bioware will ruin dragon age once again"

I motivate them by paying their wages via games sales.

Generally speaking buying games is anonymous.

[SpunkyMonkey]

ioannisdenton wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Why did you think that, on their own forum monitored by many mods, they wouldn't have seen it on the DA:2 board?

Well i did post it here also .
What is the fault with that? it is da2 related thread you tell me, yet you keep bumping it with your posts.
I am saying my opinion.
I think the dragon age team did very well for the given timeframe yet we almost burn them to the ground. i want to state that. i want to give away good faith to the dragon age team.

Yes it is a DA:2 thread - the clue is in the title...........
My guilt for my DA2'stance makes me to say this: Bioware Ι totally reconsider. Given it's shortcomings DA2 is very good.
...........................DA:2 is mentioned twice in the title. Which I think is where our conversation should end as if you can't spot that in a thread which you created yourself then you'll be resorting to "errrr and "durr" sooner than we know it.

yes it is DA2 thread that wants to motivate the dragon age team.
Simple as that.
Nothing less and nothing more.
It would be nice if many other people motivated bioware instead of " errrr and "durr bioware will ruin dragon age once again"

I motivate them by paying their wages via games sales.

Generally speaking buying games is anonymous.

*facepalm*

I don't want credit for the motivation. Sorry but I can't continue with someone who can't grasp such basics.

[Rune-Chan]

The funny thing about bad Bioware games is that they are still actually fairly decent compared to a lot of games.

That's not to say that the mistakes they make are not sometimes appalling (copy pasting maps in DA2 for example), but some people speak as if Dragon Age 2 is the worst game ever made.

Hopefully Bioware will learn from all the mistakes, and play to their strengths. We all know they are capable of making Dragon Age 3 amazing, so we just need to hope they pick the best direction to take it.

I felt that as always they made amazing characters for Dragon Age 2, but the overall plot let it down. Not so much the concept itself, but the execution.

The storyline with the Qunari could have been expanded on so much more than it was. I personally found the whole Qun idea fascinating, but it was never really delved into enough. The arc was far too short.

The mages versus templars was again, a good idea. The problem lied in the behaviour of both sides, specifically how illogical it was. The mages all seemed to go crazy and use blood magic, all the while complaining about how harsh the templars are. The templars on the other hand are full of James Bond style villains who seem to like causing atrocities purely for the fun of it.

You then add the fact that this is the behaviour of so called "normal" mages and templars, yet they are perfectly content to let Anders, Merrill and sometimes Hawke run around, it becomes almost farcical.

Overall Dragon Age 2 was an excellent idea, ruined by a flawed and rushed execution. With another years work on it, I believe it'd have been incredible.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 26 octobre 2012 - 04:15 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

I disagree, OP and people saying their crappest games are still better than most games.......... play some more games please.

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 26 octobre 2012 - 01:47 .

[Zubie]

So you forced yourself to ignore everything terrible about the game in order to enjoy it.

[Rune-Chan]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

I disagree, OP and people saying their crappest games are still better than most games.......... play some more games please.

I have been gaming for over a decade, and have owned almost all gaming devices except mobile ones. I have played more games than I can count.

It's called an opinion. Get over it.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Machines Are Us wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

I disagree, OP and people saying their crappest games are still better than most games.......... play some more games please.

I have been gaming for over a decade, and have owned almost all gaming devices except mobile ones. I have played more games than I can count.

It's called an opinion. Get over it.

Why don't you get over my opinion please.

[grregg]

ioannisdenton wrote...

(...)

Until my current 3rd playthrough i hated DA2. i did not like the combat,
the waves of enemies, Hawke, his voice, Isabella and her sexism, the
companions were not like DA:O, the fact that DA2 is rushed, the lack of
consequences and lots of others. 
I was in the camp "DA2 is abysmal so burn every copy".
I decided to replay da2 as i run out of rpg's.

(...)

Let me see if I understood this correctly. You replayed, three times, a game that you hated and wanted to burn every copy? Why? You enjoy pain or something?

And that's probably my envy speaking, but where do you get all the time to do it? I can't find time to play games I like, much less repeatedly replay games that I hated.

[Rune-Chan]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Machines Are Us wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

I disagree, OP and people saying their crappest games are still better than most games.......... play some more games please.

I have been gaming for over a decade, and have owned almost all gaming devices except mobile ones. I have played more games than I can count.

It's called an opinion. Get over it.

Why don't you get over my opinion please.

What opinion? That you disagree with the OP is a perfectly valid opinion.

Assuming that people who like the game need to play more games is not an opinion, it's an assumption. It is an assumption that they haven't played enough games to formulate their own opinion, and an assumption that they would dislike the game more if they did.

[robertthebard]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

I really can't rely on an opinion from someone so dim that they post a Dragon Age 2 topic in Dragon Age 3 forum.

I guess that DA:2 is for those type of people.

Those of us who don't start every sentence with either "errr" or "durrr" will just continue to enjoy DA:O.

Funny this, because reading this response, that's exactly how it seems to start out.

This is my translation:  I didn't like DA 2, and if you did, you're mentally challenged.  Personally, I think you'd have been better off keeping your opinion to yourself.  You are certainly entitled to have it, but, as adults have learned over the course of their lives, sometimes our opinions are better kept to ourselves.  However, when if you ever get married, and your wife asks if her dress makes her look fat, and it does and you tell her so, don't be surprised when you're sleeping on the couch, and signing divorce papers.  I hope you don't live in California, she'll own half your stuff and the dress that makes her look fat.

[jonesd]

Tony77A wrote...

As a game, DA2 is not bad.
As the sequel to DA:O it's pretty bad.

I would have no problem if it'd been called "Hawkes awesome Kirkwall shenanigans".
But they called it DA2 which is some big shoes to fill.

There's the problem.

I don't agree with this at all.  DAO is a pretty good game, but it is not as good as most people say.  Matter of opinion I suppose.  I think people love DAO more generally because it had a set goal and a set "bad guy" through the whole game.  While I also like those types of games, I am also open to different story lines such as DA2.  Yes there were issues with the story (mainly act 3 for me), but for the most part it was enjoyable.

I think the other reason is DAO had the slides that showed your choices over the course of the game.  I would argue that your choices didn't matter much other then the slides.  Either way, DAO did offer more ways to change the story (very slightly imo) than DA2.  

I think it was closed mindness really.  People tend to hate change.  They wanted a game exactly like DAO, thus they hated DA2.  

Modifié par jonesd, 26 octobre 2012 - 03:25 .

[Kail Ashton]

blah blah blah wall of poem format text wall aside, they charged full price for a half finished, rushed out the door game

i'm not looking at this as a fan, i'm a consumer first, fan second & bioware provided fairly false advertising for a product that they charged me full price for so i'm not about to join the chorus of world's smallest violins for poor w'ill bioware having to rush out a game, if they were forced to half ass it they should've half priced it; when i see bioware refund me $30 then i'll say we're cool again

[Maclimes]

*shrug* I enjoyed DA2. Did I think it had flaws and shortcomings? Yes. Were there areas in which I was disspointed? Yes.

But, overall, I thought the pros outweighed the cons. I enjoy DA2, and look forward to seeing what comes next.

[Sidney]

There is a lot, a lot I like about DA2. The game was better than swarms of things people have told me were great games. I liked that Bioware tried to something a bit different that the usual helpless weakling transformed into god to save the world from overwhelming evil thing X. I found NOT saving the world refreshing to be honest.

The problem wasn't so much with the idea in DA2 but the execution of almost every idea was poorly done. I think when the design document was done and all the whiteboarding ended and people sat down they thought, "This is gonna be so excellent!". Then someone told them it had to be done in 18 months and corners started getting cut and excellent ideas got implemented badly.

[The Hierophant]

Kail Ashton wrote...

blah blah blah wall of poem format text wall aside, they charged full price for a half finished, rushed out the door game

i'm not looking at this as a fan, i'm a consumer first, fan second & bioware provided fairly false advertising for a product that they charged me full price for so i'm not about to join the chorus of world's smallest violins for poor w'ill bioware having to rush out a game, if they were forced to half ass it they should've half priced it; when i see bioware refund me $30 then i'll say we're cool again

I'm still surprised at all the copy pasted dungeons in the game in comparison to it's predecessor, and peers.

[Rune-Chan]

Sidney wrote...

There is a lot, a lot I like about DA2. The game was better than swarms of things people have told me were great games. I liked that Bioware tried to something a bit different that the usual helpless weakling transformed into god to save the world from overwhelming evil thing X. I found NOT saving the world refreshing to be honest.

The problem wasn't so much with the idea in DA2 but the execution of almost every idea was poorly done. I think when the design document was done and all the whiteboarding ended and people sat down they thought, "This is gonna be so excellent!". Then someone told them it had to be done in 18 months and corners started getting cut and excellent ideas got implemented badly.

This is pretty much how I see it. I get the impression they had a much grander vision for some areas that just didn't get as much time as they should have, or would have given another 12 months.

[garrusfan1]

It had many problems but I liked it also blame the people who gave them the extremely small time limit.

[schalafi]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

I really can't rely on an opinion from someone so dim that they post a Dragon Age 2 topic in Dragon Age 3 forum.

I guess that DA:2 is for those type of people.

Those of us who don't start every sentence with either "errr" or "durrr" will just continue to enjoy DA:O.

Errr...Durrr, Spunky Monkey, are you truly excluding yourself from all the posters in this topic that don't agree with your "flamelike" opinion?
The OP was giving an honest opinion and apology for his former dislike of DA2, and since the Mods didn't seem to think the topic should be locked, I fail to think that your opinion had any validity, and really I guess I'm one of "those type of people" who dont give much credence to a poster with a superiority complex, who labels someone as "Dim"

[rapscallioness]

I agree OP. DA2 was an enjoyable game. It had its faults that I hope BW doesn't repeat, but I still enjoyed the game.

[TheJediSaint]

Maclimes wrote...

*shrug* I enjoyed DA2. Did I think it had flaws and shortcomings? Yes. Were there areas in which I was disspointed? Yes.

But, overall, I thought the pros outweighed the cons. I enjoy DA2, and look forward to seeing what comes next.

Yeah, that's pretty much my opinion.  Despite the wavy combat, I still liked the combat mechanics of DA2 more than DAO.  And despite the reused maps, I still liked the story of DA2 more than DAO.

[ioannisdenton]

grregg wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

(...)

Until my current 3rd playthrough i hated DA2. i did not like the combat,
the waves of enemies, Hawke, his voice, Isabella and her sexism, the
companions were not like DA:O, the fact that DA2 is rushed, the lack of
consequences and lots of others. 
I was in the camp "DA2 is abysmal so burn every copy".
I decided to replay da2 as i run out of rpg's.

(...)

Let me see if I understood this correctly. You replayed, three times, a game that you hated and wanted to burn every copy? Why? You enjoy pain or something?

And that's probably my envy speaking, but where do you get all the time to do it? I can't find time to play games I like, much less repeatedly replay games that I hated.

well it is simple. First time i thought the game was dissapointing but still ok.
second time i really hated it.
now the odd is why i choose to replay it as i hated it from my second time.
Well..
I needed to play an rpg (and still DA2 is rpg) as i am kinda bored of action games and was runnin out of rpgs..
I decided to replay DA2 and give in one more chance. Plus i hadn't play it as a mage

[Teddie Sage]

Salaya wrote...

This is not even DA3 related, shouldn't a mod close this topic?

I disagree. Everyone from both Dragon Age Origins and Dragon Age 2's boards are now expressing themselves about how the third game should be and this topic is probably meant to tell what this player liked about Dragon Age 2. These threads are essential because they bring feedback to the game designers.

[ioannisdenton]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Salaya wrote...

This is not even DA3 related, shouldn't a mod close this topic?

I disagree. Everyone from both Dragon Age Origins and Dragon Age 2's boards are now expressing themselves about how the third game should be and this topic is probably meant to tell what this player liked about Dragon Age 2. These threads are essential because they bring feedback to the game designers.

Guys please let's not argue.
This is an opinion. Some may dislike DA2. Some may dislike Me3 .
And this is ok.
lets contribute to DA3 with our ideas , what to do and what not to do.
As i wrote earlier i really enjoy DA2 (and will buy the Legacy and MOTA DLC later today) and i wanted to express my opnion and thus motivate the Dragon age team which has received some really agressive critisicm (including from my self). that is all.