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[JuGonzo]

Tesclo wrote...

bigbad1013 wrote...

Then how about you actually wait and see what DA3 is like before you start complaining about it? Just a thought.

These forums were in uproar a month ago and now we don't want to post anything negative? Really?

I t6hink they don't want to lost their hopes... yet.

I already lost mine to Dragon Age 3.

[Terrorize69]

Maclimes wrote...

Guys. C'mon, really? Obvious troll is obvious. Don't feed the trolls.

The OP is the reincarnation of Meredith, feeding it Red lyrium is the only way to stop it.

[thebigbad1013]

Tesclo wrote...

bigbad1013 wrote...

Then how about you actually wait and see what DA3 is like before you start complaining about it? Just a thought.

Because I've actually waited to see how Mass Effect 2 was before I started complaining. I waited to see how Dragon Age 2 was before I started complaining. I waited to see how Tor would be, even after being in early beta and watching Bioware ignore their beta testers. And I waited to see how Mass Effect 3 would turn out. How much more waiting should I do before I open my mouth? And please don't sit here and tell me I'm the only one. These forums were in uproar a month ago and now we don't want to post anything negative? Really?

There's still plenty of negativity on these boards to go around. Like I said, if you think you are being original you'll be disappointed. And if you are truly that unhappy with all of those games then maybe it's time for you to take a hint? You know, as in maybe BioWare is no longer the gaming company for you?

[thebigbad1013]

Tesclo wrote...

-k-a-t-e- wrote...

Tesclo wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...
i think that most of the times we critisice things because they are not what we would like them to be.
You original post was negative and it did not offer nothing constructive.
Share your ideas , your objections and not your frustation. This forum is for that purpose.

Also people i am going to be a mall cop and say this" Let's keep it civil please.

1. I criticize Bioware because I care.
2. My original post was meant to bring back the memory of when Origins was released.
3. Why can't ideas, objections and frustration be one in the same? I don't understand why I can't express my ideas and objections in a frustrated manner.

You can express frustration without being insulting and rude, you can say you didn't like the game without calling it 'garbage', you can express your disappointment with Bioware without making personal slights "...Bioware sold out their entire customer base....The last best game Bioware ever made...Bioware
turned their back on the people that made them who they are" and those are personal insults because you're making statements about the kind of people you think they are.

Can you really not see how hostile and antagonistic your post was? How do you expect to discuss something with people like that, it's the equivalent of getting right up in someones face in RL, it just doesn't work...

Fair enough, and I do see your point. But without that aggressive stance, nobody is going to listen. I don't make threads to troll or come off as the bad guy, it is not my intent to get in someone's face, but at the end of the day, if you don't create some sort of controversy, nobody is going to listen.

As I said, Bioware does not understand constructive feedback. If they had, Tor would be the top mmo right now. Bioware, like Blizzard, these developers have a God complex. I've seen the people in this industry and these forums, this interaction, for a large percentage of them, it's a power trip. They get off on it. And they do not take criticism well.

Or better yet, why don't you start making your own games? You seem to have all the answers, right?

[KEMKA]

Tesclo I think the problem is that these threads are a dime a dozen, they pop up multiple times daily? And actually I don't think there is any point posting over and over, but that's not the same as saying they should just forget about it though! Just take a look at the state of these boards the past few months, I seriously doubt they could forget all the criticisms

[thebigbad1013]

Tesclo wrote...

bigbad1013 wrote...

Or better yet, why don't you start making your own games? You seem to have all the answers, right?

It's impossible to have a normal conversation with people on this website isn't it?

Depends on your definition of normal. But a good rule of thumb is that if you start off by posting something that is largely offensive to people, you probably won't get a great response from them. You may want to work a bit on your presentation.

[Welsh Inferno]

Tesclo wrote...

bigbad1013 wrote...

Then how about you actually wait and see what DA3 is like before you start complaining about it? Just a thought.

Because I've actually waited to see how Mass Effect 2 was before I started complaining. I waited to see how Dragon Age 2 was before I started complaining. I waited to see how Tor would be, even after being in early beta and watching Bioware ignore their beta testers. And I waited to see how Mass Effect 3 would turn out. How much more waiting should I do before I open my mouth? And please don't sit here and tell me I'm the only one. These forums were in uproar a month ago and now we don't want to post anything negative? Really?

Dont worry. People who hate the direction they are going are still around. Its just most are tired of posting the same things over and over again only to be flamed until the topic is locked. Once more news about the game comes out you will see people come back.

[Maria Caliban]

Tesclo wrote...



I sure do. That was back before Bioware sold out their entire customer base. The last best game Bioware ever made.

Dragon Age 3 will be more of the same garbage that Dragon Age 2 was. Bioware turned their back on the people that made them who they are.

I remember it.

I remember people complaining that the Warden had an official appearance.
I remember people complaining that BioWare had wasted money on a stupid cinematic trailer.
I remember people complaining that the game didn't look like the trailer and it was false advertizing.
I remember people complaining that EA was turning the entire franchise into a hack and slash game with 'kewl' but unrealistic fighting.

Interestingly enough... I don't remember YOU. Were you actually on the forums when they released the sacred ashes trailer?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 26 octobre 2012 - 02:01 .

[Masha Potato]

Omg OP you really should add more pathos

[BBK4114]

@ OP - I don't remember the trailer because I didn't buy DA:O until I saw that it was on tons of "Top 10 RPGs of All Time" lists. Wish I could say I had waited for DA2 but I pre-ordered much to my chagrin. I will wait to see KoP and others (who aren't around here much but post frequently on another dev's forums) think of it - since we have similar taste in games.

At all those who claim the "positive" opinions here are a majority of the opinions held, I suggest perhaps venturing in to other more broad gaming forums.

I loved DA:O, enjoyed some of DA2 and really hope they can get back to a happy place with DAIII.

That is why I keep coming back to these forums and slogging through all the bs. Because I enjoyed Bioware's older games so much and hope they can make me love them again.

[Maria Caliban]

mousestalker wrote...

To rephrase: Bioware now hates making money so much, that they are going to irritate, annoy and vex their entire customer base repeatedly until no one will buy their games.

Good to know. Of course it would be very nice if you could source the basis of this belief.

I read that as 'they are going to irritate, annoy and SEX their entire customer base repeatedly until no one will buy their games.'

[Rune-Chan]

Tesclo wrote...

bigbad1013 wrote...

Or better yet, why don't you start making your own games? You seem to have all the answers, right?

It's impossible to have a normal conversation with people on this website isn't it?

It is rather difficult, yes.

They (we) are generally divided into three sections.

• Those who will not accept any criticism of EA or Bioware, no matter what they do. They will normally jump on any person who says anything remotely critical, regardless of how true or honest the opinion is. They will accuse all those who dislike features that they personally enjoy "trolls" and will not even attempt to have a rational discussion.
• Those who hate everything Bioware do and will accuse you of being the above if you don't also hate it. These people tend to go into every topic that is remotely positive and claim that people are stupid, deluded or outright wrong for liking what Bioware does. They will create their own topics claiming Bioware are as bad as the devil, and will criticise anybody who likes anything Bioware does as "deluded", "fanboys" or "ignoring the bad parts".
• Rational people who can see that Bioware do good and bad, and try and attempt to give honest opinions on where they think Bioware can improve, and where they have done well. They will criticise where they think it's due, and praise what they think deserves it. Some of these people are quite positive in their views, as they want to concentrate on what Bioware does right. Then there are others (like myself) who are a lot more critical when they discuss things, as they are more concerned in removing what they think Bioware does wrong.

You OP came across as the second option. It seems from later posts that you are number three, but your overall tone does not really help your argument.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 26 octobre 2012 - 02:09 .

[KEMKA]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Tesclo wrote...

bigbad1013 wrote...

Then how about you actually wait and see what DA3 is like before you start complaining about it? Just a thought.

Because I've actually waited to see how Mass Effect 2 was before I started complaining. I waited to see how Dragon Age 2 was before I started complaining. I waited to see how Tor would be, even after being in early beta and watching Bioware ignore their beta testers. And I waited to see how Mass Effect 3 would turn out. How much more waiting should I do before I open my mouth? And please don't sit here and tell me I'm the only one. These forums were in uproar a month ago and now we don't want to post anything negative? Really?

Dont worry. People who hate the direction they are going are still around. Its just most are tired of posting the same things over and over again only to be flamed until the topic is locked. Once more news about the game comes out you will see people come back.

Ironically this just feels like a reversal, a few months ago if you posted anything remotely positive about the game you would be endlessly ridiculed and have a wave of enraged posters bearing down on you I gave up on these forums for a while because of it. A bit of balance overall would be nice!

[mousestalker]

Maria Caliban wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

To rephrase: Bioware now hates making money so much, that they are going to irritate, annoy and vex their entire customer base repeatedly until no one will buy their games.

Good to know. Of course it would be very nice if you could source the basis of this belief.

I read that as 'they are going to irritate, annoy and SEX their entire customer base repeatedly until no one will buy their games.'

I'm not sure that much sexing is possible....

[Fast Jimmy]

Machines Are Us wrote...

Tesclo wrote...

bigbad1013 wrote...

Or better yet, why don't you start making your own games? You seem to have all the answers, right?

It's impossible to have a normal conversation with people on this website isn't it?

It is rather difficult, yes.

They (we) are generally divided into three sections.

• Those who will not accept any criticism of EA or Bioware, no matter what they do. They will normally jump on any person who says anything remotely critical, regardless of how true or honest the opinion is. They will accuse all those who dislike features that they personally enjoy "trolls" and will not even attempt to have a rational discussion.
• Those who hate everything Bioware do and will accuse you of being the above if you don't also hate it. These people tend to go into every topic that is remotely positive and claim that people are stupid, deluded or outright wrong for liking what Bioware does. They will create their own topics claiming Bioware are as bad as the devil, and will criticise anybody who likes anything Bioware does as "deluded", "fanboys" or "ignoring the bad parts".
• Rational people who can see that Bioware do good and bad, and try and attempt to give honest opinions on where they think Bioware can improve, and where they have done well. They will criticise where they think it's due, and praise what they think deserves it. Some of these people are quite positive in their views, as they want to concentrate on what Bioware does right. Then there are others (like myself) who are a lot more critical when they discuss things, as they are more concerned in removing what they think Bioware does wrong.

You OP came across as the second option. It seems from later posts that you are number three, but your overall tone does not really help your argument.

[*]
[*]Option two is the best!

[Welsh Inferno]

 

Machines Are Us wrote...

It is rather difficult, yes.

They (we) are generally divided into three sections.

• Those who will not accept any criticism of EA or Bioware, no matter what they do. They will normally jump on any person who says anything remotely critical, regardless of how true or honest the opinion is. They will accuse all those who dislike features that they personally enjoy "trolls" and will not even attempt to have a rational discussion.
• Those who hate everything Bioware do and will accuse you of being the above if you don't also hate it. These people tend to go into every topic that is remotely positive and claim that people are stupid, deluded or outright wrong for liking what Bioware does. They will create their own topics claiming Bioware are as bad as the devil, and will criticise anybody who likes anything Bioware does as "deluded", "fanboys" or "ignoring the bad parts".
• Rational people who can see that Bioware do good and bad, and try and attempt to give honest opinions on where they think Bioware can improve, and where they have done well. They will criticise where they think it's due, and praise what they think deserves it. Some of these people are quite positive in their views, as they want to concentrate on what Bioware does right. Then there are others (like myself) who are a lot more critical when they discuss things, as they are more concerned in removing what they think Bioware does wrong.

You OP came across as the second option. It seems from later posts that you are number three, but your overall tone does not really help your argument.

Guarenteed every single person considers themselves part of section 3 though.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Machines Are Us wrote...

Tesclo wrote...

bigbad1013 wrote...

Or better yet, why don't you start making your own games? You seem to have all the answers, right?

It's impossible to have a normal conversation with people on this website isn't it?

It is rather difficult, yes.

They (we) are generally divided into three sections.

• Those who will not accept any criticism of EA or Bioware, no matter what they do. They will normally jump on any person who says anything remotely critical, regardless of how true or honest the opinion is. They will accuse all those who dislike features that they personally enjoy "trolls" and will not even attempt to have a rational discussion.
• Those who hate everything Bioware do and will accuse you of being the above if you don't also hate it. These people tend to go into every topic that is remotely positive and claim that people are stupid, deluded or outright wrong for liking what Bioware does. They will create their own topics claiming Bioware are as bad as the devil, and will criticise anybody who likes anything Bioware does as "deluded", "fanboys" or "ignoring the bad parts".
• Rational people who can see that Bioware do good and bad, and try and attempt to give honest opinions on where they think Bioware can improve, and where they have done well. They will criticise where they think it's due, and praise what they think deserves it. Some of these people are quite positive in their views, as they want to concentrate on what Bioware does right. Then there are others (like myself) who are a lot more critical when they discuss things, as they are more concerned in removing what they think Bioware does wrong.

You OP came across as the second option. It seems from later posts that you are number three, but your overall tone does not really help your argument.

[*]
[*]Option two is the best!

This, though I consider myself no.3, number 2 is the best!

[mousestalker]

Welsh Inferno wrote...
{snip}[*]Guarenteed every single person considers themselves part of section 3 though.

I do, but if bribed with enough quality bacon I could be persuaded to come out for §1 or §2.

[Maria Caliban]

mousestalker wrote...

I'm not sure that much sexing is possible....

This is why I'm donated my body to science after I'm dead.