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[toddx77]

I was playing another playthrough of DA2 the other night and I noticed Anders said something I never heard him say before.  He was talking about mages in the blight and he said "The blight was only stopped by 2 mages, one of which was an apostate"  Did Anders not know the circle of Magi helped out in the blight?  That would make sense if the mages died but on this play through they did not.  You can't even say the circle magi do not count and only the team fighting the arch demon count because not only is that false, but in that origins save I imported only Morrigan was with me fighting the arch demon as Wynne was on the ground.  So did Bioware not notice this or is there something more to that statement?

[esper]

He meant that there was two mages (Wynne, Morrigan) on the main core team which was directly with the warden the whole time as oppossed to the armies which was just the in the lastest part.

If the warden was a mage he mentioned that instead.

[milena87]

I don't think he diminished the (possible) help of the Circle of Magi against the Blight.

He didn't say that the blight was stopped by only 2 mages, but that the blight was only stopped with the help of two mages. The entire Circle didn't follow the Warden around for (almost) the entire game.

At least that's how I always understood it.

[fchopin]

Did you have to ask such an obvious question?

[Medhia Nox]

Yes.

What did I win?

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Also - a lot more non-mages died stopping the Blight.

But typical mage supremacy Anders is a myopic zealot. 

Hey, a Qunari helped stop the Blight - let's give the Qun a chance.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 26 octobre 2012 - 12:50 .

[toddx77]

milena87 wrote...

I don't think he diminished the (possible) help of the Circle of Magi against the Blight.

He didn't say that the blight was stopped by only 2 mages, but that the blight was only stopped with the help of two mages. The entire Circle didn't follow the Warden around for (almost) the entire game.

At least that's how I always understood it.

I guess that makes sense but without the armies there would be no way the warden and teir team could have stopped the blight so to say credit only Morrigan and Wynne simply because they were on the core team doesn't seem fair, but I'm probably reading too much into it lol.

[Maclimes]

Is Anders in DA3? Why is this in the DA3 forum?

[Medhia Nox]

@Maclimes: Would you prefer another mage/templar thread?

You're like a templar Maclimes - policing the boards - I'm feelin g oppressed - I think I should rebel against your fascist regime in the most radical way possible.

There ya go - now it's a mage/templar debate.

[Overdosing]

Maclimes wrote...

Is Anders in DA3? Why is this in the DA3 forum?

Good question.

[mousestalker]

Medhia Nox wrote...
{snip}

Hey, a Qunari helped stop the Blight - let's give the Qun a chance.

"All we are saying, is give Qun a chance"

[Maclimes]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Maclimes: Would you prefer another mage/templar thread?

You're like a templar Maclimes - policing the boards - I'm feelin g oppressed - I think I should rebel against your fascist regime in the most radical way possible.

There ya go - now it's a mage/templar debate.

[BBK4114]

Overdosing wrote...

Maclimes wrote...

Is Anders in DA3? Why is this in the DA3 forum?

Good question.

Probably because it's a vacuum over there and nobody responded to them  

[ForgottenWarrior]

Only two possible options: Anders is really stupid or it's just another bug of save-import system.

[Plaintiff]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Hey, a Qunari helped stop the Blight - let's give the Qun a chance.

The Qun is a rigid belief system, not a cluster of individuals who happen to share a particular genetic trait. It's not an applicable comparison at all.

[Plaintiff]

ForgottenWarrior wrote...

Only two possible options: Anders is really stupid or it's just another bug of save-import system.

Or OP got the wording wrong and Anders actually said something completely different.

[thebigbad1013]

Maclimes wrote...

Is Anders in DA3? Why is this in the DA3 forum?

Well, to be fair, Anders' actions in DA2 does relate directly to DA3 so a connection could easily be made.

[Medhia Nox]

@Plaintiff: You're right - mages are much more dangerous.

That doesn't change the fact that more non-mages stopped the Blight than mages..

Why? Because Uldred was more concerned with using the Blight to gain independence.

Interesting how Anders doesn't meantion "that".

He is a dangerous zealot - nothing more.

[Auintus]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Plaintiff: You're right - mages are much more dangerous.

That doesn't change the fact that more non-mages stopped the Blight than mages..

Why? Because Uldred was more concerned with using the Blight to gain independence.

Interesting how Anders doesn't meantion "that".

He is a dangerous zealot - nothing more.

More because as a general rule of thumb, normals outnumber mages.
Anders was brilliant. His actions got exactly what he wanted. The uneasy peace that the Circle represented was destroyed. Dangerous, certainly. Zealous, I won't argue, especially with Justice's influence. But he is hardly going around destroying everything for the lols.

[The Elder King]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Plaintiff: You're right - mages are much more dangerous.

That doesn't change the fact that more non-mages stopped the Blight than mages..

Why? Because Uldred was more concerned with using the Blight to gain independence.

Interesting how Anders doesn't meantion "that".

He is a dangerous zealot - nothing more.

Unless mages want to put all Thedas under their rule, I fail to see how they are more dangerous than qunari. I'd say that Tevinter are as dangerous as qunari, since they want to do the same (the reason they did't invade southern Thedas is because of the qunari's threat), though their power is inferior to the qunari.

[Medhia Nox]

@Auintus: Go watch that explosion again.. it covers a vast swath of Kirkwall. Quite easily... all of it.
Massive stones are thrown like trebuchet bullets throughout the city - and the streets are on fire (and some buildings) - and when it flashes back to Orsino - flaming debris is falling from the sky.

Anders is a psychopath.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 26 octobre 2012 - 01:42 .

[MisterJB]

Medhia Nox wrote...
He is a dangerous zealot - nothing more.

And an Abomination, let's not forget that.

[Plaintiff]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Plaintiff: You're right - mages are much more dangerous.

Not really relevant to my point, and totally arguable, since the Qunari have access to combat technology that is vastly superior to the non-magical weaponry that any other group possesses. 

That doesn't change the fact that more non-mages stopped the Blight than mages..

Why? Because Uldred was more concerned with using the Blight to gain independence.

Interesting how Anders doesn't meantion "that".

I didn't realise that Uldred was representative of all mages. I suppose that means I get to judge all Templars on the actions of Alrik the rape-tastic, and I get to judge all dwarves based on the actions of the psychotic Branka.

Anders doesn't need to and shouldn't have to mention Uldred. The Chantry already tells the public all about the evils mages are capable of, and even likes to make some up. What are not known are the positives. The hypocritical Chantry downplays the positive contributions that mages made, not just in the Blight, but in all their conflicts and in other fields. When a mage does something bad, it's because they are evil, but when mages help win a war, victory was "the Maker's doing". Pffft.

So what if the mages were more concerned with their internal problems? So were the Dwarves, and so were the Elves, and so were the people of Redcliffe. And Loghain was so busy with his delusional fantasies of Orlesians hiding behind his curtains that he would sooner kill the last two wardens in Ferelden than see an end to the Blight.

So what you're really saying is that the mages were doing the same thing everyone else was doing, but for some reason only they deserve to be condemned for doing it. 

He is a dangerous zealot - nothing more.

So? I have no problem with 'dangerous zealots', provided their actions and speech are both logically sound and morally correct.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 26 octobre 2012 - 02:00 .

[In Exile]

toddx77 wrote...

I guess that makes sense but without the armies there would be no way the warden and teir team could have stopped the blight so to say credit only Morrigan and Wynne simply because they were on the core team doesn't seem fair, but I'm probably reading too much into it lol.

It's a line for the player. Yes, from the POV of a character in Ferelden, all the fetch quests the Warden did before Denerim should be completely meaningless and of relevance only to historians/people the Warden helped ... but the players would naturally think the big deal was in (say) going to Redcliffe and saving the village, not the 1/2 hr last battle.

[Medhia Nox]

@MisterJB: Are you saying that exonerates him?

Because you cannot be possessed unless you say: Yes.

[MisterJB]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@MisterJB: Are you saying that exonerates him?

Because you cannot be possessed unless you say: Yes.

The opposite really. It aggravates his guilt.