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[Shadow Fox]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Ultimashade wrote...

You didn't like the ending so the game was broken? That's some jacked up logic right there. The game was 99% perfect!

Auto-dialogue,
Broken journal,
Lack of squadmates,
Entire dialogue choices missing,
Stupid bugs,
Forgotten plot lines,
Unresolved or ignored choices from previous games,
S*****y planetscan fetch quests,
Tali's face,
Priority Earth being the worst story mission in the entire series.

I could go on.....and on...but you get my point.

Most of that is pretty minor

So 9 flaws are minor? Yeah, flaws are flaws. Minor or not.

Most of those "flaws" come down to personal preference that doesn't make the game broken.

[Hexley UK]

mousestalker wrote...

Here's a thought: Read the reviews. Determine which reviewers you think are most trustworthy based upon their reviews of games you already know. See if they focus in on the issues you care about. Then make your purchasing decision upon those reviews. Or, if you are more reluctant to part with your hard earned shekels, wait until your friends ahve the game and are playing it. See what they think.

Or you can blast a game that hasn't even been completed yet based upon an unrelated game you didn't like made by the same company.

No offense but that's exactly what some people did with ME3 and see how that turned out.

[Hexley UK]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Ultimashade wrote...

You didn't like the ending so the game was broken? That's some jacked up logic right there. The game was 99% perfect!

Auto-dialogue,
Broken journal,
Lack of squadmates,
Entire dialogue choices missing,
Stupid bugs,
Forgotten plot lines,
Unresolved or ignored choices from previous games,
S*****y planetscan fetch quests,
Tali's face,
Priority Earth being the worst story mission in the entire series.

I could go on.....and on...but you get my point.

Most of that is pretty minor

So 9 flaws are minor? Yeah, flaws are flaws. Minor or not.

Most of those "flaws" come down to personal preference that doesn't make the game broken.

A personal preference shared by most people who aren't you apparently. When most people agree it's crap then that's considered a flaw.

[Rune-Chan]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Bioware is just a name brand, within the brand, there are different teams working on different game. Just because one team delivers an unsatisfied product doesn't mean that another team will. Even the teams can't always agree on the same thing as evident with the S/S relationship in ME and SWTOR in comparison with DA series. They have different management and writing teams. I don't think it's fair to judge the whole brand based on the one game franchise. Each team has their own vision, I don't think it's very logical to say that there's a template all Bioware teams will follow.

This is a logical post, and something a lot of people seem to not understand. But it is important to note that as the series have progressed, they have become a lot more similar. There does seem to be a 'core' game-play ideal that they seem to be making for their games.

• Auto-dialogue, or dialogue that the player doesn't directly choose to participate in is increasingly common.
• Party banter is increasing, but at the same time, conversations with companions are decreasing (one on one like at the camp in Origins).
• Abilities and levelling are becoming less complicated and more streamlined.
• Combat is less statistically based, and more reaction-time based (like hack and slash games/shooters).
• Side quests are completely hand held. In that you get told about them without any effort, so you can't actually miss anything due to not paying attention. This makes it more like a check list than an adventure.
• Bugs. DA2 still has some game breaking bugs, even now. Mass Effect 3 was also fairly buggy on release.
• A more focused story, that also means a more railroaded story. This cuts out replay value as the game is essentially the same each time you play it.

Now, these may not be an issue in DA3, and I certainly hope they are not, but they are common factors in both series, especially between DA2 and ME3.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 28 octobre 2012 - 09:14 .

[mousestalker]

Hexley UK wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

Here's a thought: Read the reviews. Determine which reviewers you think are most trustworthy based upon their reviews of games you already know. See if they focus in on the issues you care about. Then make your purchasing decision upon those reviews. Or, if you are more reluctant to part with your hard earned shekels, wait until your friends ahve the game and are playing it. See what they think.

Or you can blast a game that hasn't even been completed yet based upon an unrelated game you didn't like made by the same company.

No offense but that's exactly what some people did with ME3 and see how that turned out.

It worked for me. I waited until some friends had the game, got their reactions and decided. I am content with my decision.

[Cutlasskiwi]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

DA3 will be another DA2 fail with ME combat wedged into a fantasy game, no choice of race, no skills outside of combat related ones, small scale and limited scope boring humanity centric story which craps on all the lore that came before it and so on.

Anyone who expects any different is blind to what BiowEAre now are.

In short i expect if you liked DA2 (like all 4 of you) then you'll love this crap.

Since I will be one of the four. Yes, I believe I will like it. I am sure I will have wonderful conversations with the other three. YMMV.

I look forward to these wonderful conversations we'll have. I wonder who the other two who liked DA2 are?

[Shadow Fox]

Hexley UK wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Ultimashade wrote...

You didn't like the ending so the game was broken? That's some jacked up logic right there. The game was 99% perfect!

Auto-dialogue,
Broken journal,
Lack of squadmates,
Entire dialogue choices missing,
Stupid bugs,
Forgotten plot lines,
Unresolved or ignored choices from previous games,
S*****y planetscan fetch quests,
Tali's face,
Priority Earth being the worst story mission in the entire series.

I could go on.....and on...but you get my point.

Most of that is pretty minor

So 9 flaws are minor? Yeah, flaws are flaws. Minor or not.

Most of those "flaws" come down to personal preference that doesn't make the game broken.

A personal preference shared by most people who aren't you apparently. When most people agree it's crap then that's considered a flaw.

Because the BSN is "most people"

[Sol Downer]

Cutlasskiwi wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

DA3 will be another DA2 fail with ME combat wedged into a fantasy game, no choice of race, no skills outside of combat related ones, small scale and limited scope boring humanity centric story which craps on all the lore that came before it and so on.

Anyone who expects any different is blind to what BiowEAre now are.

In short i expect if you liked DA2 (like all 4 of you) then you'll love this crap.

Since I will be one of the four. Yes, I believe I will like it. I am sure I will have wonderful conversations with the other three. YMMV.

I look forward to these wonderful conversations we'll have. I wonder who the other two who liked DA2 are?

I liked DA2, it was a decent game for the timeframe in which is was delivered, but I will never say it was better than Origins. Both games did some things good and some things bad, but nobody can ever find a middle ground...

[byzantine horse]

You have a very weird view on what a broken game is. A broken game is a game that contains so many bugs that it can't be played, outright refuses to start or is entangled in so many other issues that you can't reliably play it. Mass Effect 3 was very much playable, the fact that you could see the (bad) ending is evidence enough that the game wasn't broken.

[Hexley UK]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Ultimashade wrote...

You didn't like the ending so the game was broken? That's some jacked up logic right there. The game was 99% perfect!

Auto-dialogue,
Broken journal,
Lack of squadmates,
Entire dialogue choices missing,
Stupid bugs,
Forgotten plot lines,
Unresolved or ignored choices from previous games,
S*****y planetscan fetch quests,
Tali's face,
Priority Earth being the worst story mission in the entire series.

I could go on.....and on...but you get my point.

Most of that is pretty minor

So 9 flaws are minor? Yeah, flaws are flaws. Minor or not.

Most of those "flaws" come down to personal preference that doesn't make the game broken.

A personal preference shared by most people who aren't you apparently. When most people agree it's crap then that's considered a flaw.

Because the BSN is "most people"

Please see Metacritic or Amazon for more examples of "Most people"....thx.

[Hexley UK]

byzantine horse wrote...

You have a very weird view on what a broken game is. A broken game is a game that contains so many bugs that it can't be played, outright refuses to start or is entangled in so many other issues that you can't reliably play it. Mass Effect 3 was very much playable, the fact that you could see the (bad) ending is evidence enough that the game wasn't broken.

Nobody said the game was broken, just rushed, badly thought out, stupidly written and generally s****y.

[Allan Schumacher]

Nobody said the game was broken

Perhaps you should look at the thread title.

[Hexley UK]

Ultimashade wrote...

Cutlasskiwi wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

DA3 will be another DA2 fail with ME combat wedged into a fantasy game, no choice of race, no skills outside of combat related ones, small scale and limited scope boring humanity centric story which craps on all the lore that came before it and so on.

Anyone who expects any different is blind to what BiowEAre now are.

In short i expect if you liked DA2 (like all 4 of you) then you'll love this crap.

Since I will be one of the four. Yes, I believe I will like it. I am sure I will have wonderful conversations with the other three. YMMV.

I look forward to these wonderful conversations we'll have. I wonder who the other two who liked DA2 are?

I liked DA2, it was a decent game for the timeframe in which is was delivered, but I will never say it was better than Origins. Both games did some things good and some things bad, but nobody can ever find a middle ground...

So it was decent for a rushjob game that was spewed forth in a year.....high praise indeed.

[Hexley UK]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Nobody said the game was broken

Perhaps you should look at the thread title.

Ahh ok, my bad I thought it was in response to my post not the OP's title.

Then I retract my statement.

[IElitePredatorI]

This thread isn't going to end well...

[Mello]

So much hope in you OP its freakin' amazing.

[Cutlass Jack]

Cutlasskiwi wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

DA3 will be another DA2 fail with ME combat wedged into a fantasy game, no choice of race, no skills outside of combat related ones, small scale and limited scope boring humanity centric story which craps on all the lore that came before it and so on.

Anyone who expects any different is blind to what BiowEAre now are.

In short i expect if you liked DA2 (like all 4 of you) then you'll love this crap.

Since I will be one of the four. Yes, I believe I will like it. I am sure I will have wonderful conversations with the other three. YMMV.

I look forward to these wonderful conversations we'll have. I wonder who the other two who liked DA2 are?

Well I'm number three and my wife would be number four. Quest complete!

As for a 'broken copy' of ME3, I must confess mine was fine. Did you save your reciept?

[Robhuzz]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Ultimashade wrote...

You didn't like the ending so the game was broken? That's some jacked up logic right there. The game was 99% perfect!

Auto-dialogue,
Broken journal,
Lack of squadmates,
Entire dialogue choices missing,
Stupid bugs,
Forgotten plot lines,
Unresolved or ignored choices from previous games,
S*****y planetscan fetch quests,
Tali's face,
Priority Earth being the worst story mission in the entire series.

I could go on.....and on...but you get my point.

Most of that is pretty minor

So 9 flaws are minor? Yeah, flaws are flaws. Minor or not.

Most of those "flaws" come down to personal preference that doesn't make the game broken.

For a game that was advertised as an RPG, the lack of dialogue choices, the sheer amoung of auto dialogue (I mean wth?) and the extremely shallow weapon customization definitely translate as flaws to me, and make the game broken.

Also writing on the main plot ranging from bad to downright horrible and especially priority: Earth and the ending and the lack of actual character interaction (safe a few characters) also caused by auto dialogue, are more than just flaws. These are made worse because usually BioWare's strong points are characters and story.

I've said enough, I need not even mention the broken journal, tali's face or ME3's other shortcomings.

[Sol Downer]

Hexley UK wrote...

Ultimashade wrote...

Cutlasskiwi wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

DA3 will be another DA2 fail with ME combat wedged into a fantasy game, no choice of race, no skills outside of combat related ones, small scale and limited scope boring humanity centric story which craps on all the lore that came before it and so on.

Anyone who expects any different is blind to what BiowEAre now are.

In short i expect if you liked DA2 (like all 4 of you) then you'll love this crap.

Since I will be one of the four. Yes, I believe I will like it. I am sure I will have wonderful conversations with the other three. YMMV.

I look forward to these wonderful conversations we'll have. I wonder who the other two who liked DA2 are?

I liked DA2, it was a decent game for the timeframe in which is was delivered, but I will never say it was better than Origins. Both games did some things good and some things bad, but nobody can ever find a middle ground...

So it was decent for a rushjob game that was spewed forth in a year.....high praise indeed.

Did you play ET?

[Hexley UK]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Cutlasskiwi wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

DA3 will be another DA2 fail with ME combat wedged into a fantasy game, no choice of race, no skills outside of combat related ones, small scale and limited scope boring humanity centric story which craps on all the lore that came before it and so on.

Anyone who expects any different is blind to what BiowEAre now are.

In short i expect if you liked DA2 (like all 4 of you) then you'll love this crap.

Since I will be one of the four. Yes, I believe I will like it. I am sure I will have wonderful conversations with the other three. YMMV.

I look forward to these wonderful conversations we'll have. I wonder who the other two who liked DA2 are?

Well I'm number three and my wife would be number four. Quest complete!

As for a 'broken copy' of ME3, I must confess mine was fine. Did you save your reciept?

Some people are surprisingly easy to please. Mind if I ask why you liked it when the majority hated it so much? And as for DA2 did you feel it was a step up or down from DA:O?

[Hexley UK]

Ultimashade wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Ultimashade wrote...

Cutlasskiwi wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

DA3 will be another DA2 fail with ME combat wedged into a fantasy game, no choice of race, no skills outside of combat related ones, small scale and limited scope boring humanity centric story which craps on all the lore that came before it and so on.

Anyone who expects any different is blind to what BiowEAre now are.

In short i expect if you liked DA2 (like all 4 of you) then you'll love this crap.

Since I will be one of the four. Yes, I believe I will like it. I am sure I will have wonderful conversations with the other three. YMMV.

I look forward to these wonderful conversations we'll have. I wonder who the other two who liked DA2 are?

I liked DA2, it was a decent game for the timeframe in which is was delivered, but I will never say it was better than Origins. Both games did some things good and some things bad, but nobody can ever find a middle ground...

So it was decent for a rushjob game that was spewed forth in a year.....high praise indeed.

Did you play ET?

LOL yes, I still have my copy.

That to was decent for a game made in a few weeks.

[RaenImrahl]

The Mass Effect series features a different creative team than the one that works on the Dragon Age series. Nonetheless, it is true that certain gameplay aspects of one franchise informs another, such as the ME style dialogue wheel being introduced into DA2.

The bottom line: If you've lost faith in the Bioware brand name, then your choice is simple-- don't buy the game, or at least wait until it ships and you can make an informed choice based on feedback found in whatever venue you prefer (BSN, Amazon, Metacritic, etc.).

Until then, there's little value in re-litigating ME3, especially in the DA3 discussion forum. If you wish to discuss ME3, there are plenty of existing threads you can read and comment in on that forum.

So until we know more about DA3 and can make a just comparison to Mass Effect, let's confine our ME3 discussions to those forums.

[Cutlass Jack]

Hexley UK wrote...

Some people are surprisingly easy to please. Mind if I ask why you liked it when the majority hated it so much? And as for DA2 did you feel it was a step up or down from DA:O?

Because I don't allow my opinion to be decided by the majority? Crazy notion I know.

And I loved it quite a bit more than DAO. Which is not to say I did not like DAO. I did. And its not to say DA2 was a flawless masterpiece. Because its not.

[Cutlasskiwi]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Some people are surprisingly easy to please. Mind if I ask why you liked it when the majority hated it so much? And as for DA2 did you feel it was a step up or down from DA:O?

Because I don't allow my opinion to be decided by the majority? Crazy notion I know.

And I loved it quite a bit more than DAO. Which is not to say I did not like DAO. I did. And its not to say DA2 was a flawless masterpiece. Because its not.

Exactly this. DA2 has a lot of flaws but I love what it tried to do, even if it sometimes falls short. And I had more fun playing DA2 than DAO even though DAO was the better executed game. 

[Hexley UK]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Some people are surprisingly easy to please. Mind if I ask why you liked it when the majority hated it so much? And as for DA2 did you feel it was a step up or down from DA:O?

Because I don't allow my opinion to be decided by the majority? Crazy notion I know.

And I loved it quite a bit more than DAO. Which is not to say I did not like DAO. I did. And its not to say DA2 was a flawless masterpiece. Because its not.

So then your primary reason for liking it seems to be because others didn't, which explains why you like DA2 also I guess....interesting but weird.