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TheButterflyEffect wrote...

But like I said, recessive genes can hide for many, many generations.


1. There are also people who suddenly end up with mages in their family after not seeing it in their familes for either a very long time or ever (like the Harimanns, and Lady Harimann. The daughter says her family never had magic in their blood).

And the Tevinter Imperium did construct large tress of families known to produce mage children. If those mages mated with mages and only produce mage children afterwards, then it would hint at a simple "Punnett Square" determination. If not, then magic is either determined by more than one gene, or there are other "non genetic" factors.

So far, we have seen no indication that it is so simplistic. 


2. There is also the question of "what is a mage?"

Mages are those who are, essentially, more senstive to and able to manipulate the forces drawn from the Fade and turn them into powers of the awesome variety. Being able to connect with the Fade is a prerequisite for being a mage. That is why dwarves can't be mages.

However, non-mages can be forced into the Fade or forced to be aware in the Fade through certain rituals. Everyone goes to the Fade when they dream (except dwarves), but mages are the only ones who can be "aware" and go at will, either through lyrium, blood, or being a special snowflake like Feynriel. 

Dwarves can also be forced into the Fade, and be aware in it, despite having no natural connection to the Fade.

Combine that with Sandal's strange talents, and the circumstances under which he was found (suspected exposure to lyrium as a baby), his prophecy (which I hate, personally), the nexus golem thing ("we were once more than we are"), it might suggest that everyone (including dwarves) has the "potential" to be a mage. The dwarves may have just lost it over eons. 

In short:
The "potential" for magical talent might be there for everyone, but it depends on sensitivity to the Fade. Mages could be just extemely sensitive to the "spirit forces" (which is why raw lyrium kills mages outright, instead of just having their eyes bleed and going insane)

And sensitivity could be genetic (like predispostion to a disease, or an allergy that causes the ability to shoot lightning from your fingertips - which honestly - is the BEST ALLERGY EVER!!!!)

And I think that might be controlled by multiple genes so that:

Mage + Mage =/= Mage all the time. (It is merely "very likely" that Mage + Mage = Mage)

Modifié par Palipride47, 27 octobre 2012 - 01:47 .


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Palipride47 wrote...

Well, Qunari still produce mages, and I'm pretty confident the Tammasrans would not let Qunari mages reproduce, since Tammasrans can control the Qunari breeding program and do track the genetic info of every individual and pair them accordingly.


Are you sure?  I mean, the Qunari don't approve of mages, but they also don't want the Qun to be destroyed by it's enemies, and not having mages would leave them at a major disadvantage.

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Wulfram wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Well, Qunari still produce mages, and I'm pretty confident the Tammasrans would not let Qunari mages reproduce, since Tammasrans can control the Qunari breeding program and do track the genetic info of every individual and pair them accordingly.


Are you sure?  I mean, the Qunari don't approve of mages, but they also don't want the Qun to be destroyed by it's enemies, and not having mages would leave them at a major disadvantage.

It is more of an assumption, but I would think a pretty safe one. They wouldn't obviously "kill" those mages (they value every human as a resource, nothing is wasted).

They also have technological alternatives (like black powder). 

And I would think they consider the mages more of a threat to the Qun then outsiders. Non-mage outsiders can be educated and contribute to the efficiency and order of the society more than a mage ever would. The mages, just by being, are an instability and threat to order, and the risk of possession means that even a Qunari mage is always more likely to "lose the self" and harm the society than a non mage "bas". 

They keep the Qun alive through forcibly converting everyone to it, not killing everyone to preserve it. 

Modifié par Palipride47, 26 octobre 2012 - 11:06 .


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TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Precisely how does the whole hereditary magic thing work?


Uh, midichlorians? :lol:

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Terrorize69 wrote...

"More mages now then theres ever been"

Most people apart from Tevinter try not to breed bloodlines with magic, yet mages are becoming more and more common. Something greater is at work :o


Um.. Natural evolution? Mages are the master race after all.

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ImperatorMortis wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

"More mages now then theres ever been"

Most people apart from Tevinter try not to breed bloodlines with magic, yet mages are becoming more and more common. Something greater is at work :o


Um.. Natural evolution? Mages are the master race after all.


"The magic will come back, all of it"....


stupid Sandal :pinched:

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ImperatorMortis wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

"More mages now then theres ever been"

Most people apart from Tevinter try not to breed bloodlines with magic, yet mages are becoming more and more common. Something greater is at work :o


Um.. Natural evolution? Mages are the master race after all.


Mages aren't a race...

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The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

"More mages now then theres ever been"

Most people apart from Tevinter try not to breed bloodlines with magic, yet mages are becoming more and more common. Something greater is at work :o


Um.. Natural evolution? Mages are the master race after all.


Mages aren't a race...


Superior breed, whatever. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 27 octobre 2012 - 08:35 .


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TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Two mages can have a non mage kid?


isolde and eamon managed it.  (unless connor was actually isolde and teagan's!  but still, neither were mages.)

edit: wait.  no.  i read that wrong and replied according to bad reading.  :pinched:  ignore that.

Modifié par labargegrrrl, 27 octobre 2012 - 08:23 .


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Terrorize69 wrote...

"More mages now then theres ever been"

Most people apart from Tevinter try not to breed bloodlines with magic, yet mages are becoming more and more common. Something greater is at work :o


It's the lyrium in the water, man.

mousestalker wrote...

Levi Dryden probably knows more
about genetics than anyone in game. He specifically mentions how his dna
has turned turquoise over Sophia Dryden's possession in the DLC

Just check the toolset for "Levi's stress blue genes'.


That was terrible. Good job.

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labargegrrrl wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Two mages can have a non mage kid?


isolde and eamon managed it.  (unless connor was actually isolde and teagan's!  but still, neither were mages.)

edit: wait.  no.  i read that wrong and replied according to bad reading.  :pinched:  ignore that.


Isolde and Teagan's? Is that why she's always asking "Who izzzz dizzz woman Teagan?!"

Bad joke, I'm done. I should feel bad. 

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labargegrrrl wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Two mages can have a non mage kid?


isolde and eamon managed it.  (unless connor was actually isolde and teagan's!  but still, neither were mages.)

edit: wait.  no.  i read that wrong and replied according to bad reading.  :pinched:  ignore that.


Isolde might not be a mage herself, but magic does run in her family.  If you question her after Connor runs upstairs to the family quarters, she'll admit to it.