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David Gaider wrote...
TheButterflyEffect wrote...
Sorry. Then I'll just say... it was "dumb". That's all.
Fair enough. Opinions are precious butterflies, to be certain. My opinion is that, from Alistair's perspective, it's his "beloved" who betrays him at the Landsmeet. The woman he loved, who he thought understood him and knew that Loghain's murder of all his comrades (as well as his mentor) deserved justice, has decided that Loghain should instead be given a place in an order which, to him, represents all good things. That Loghain will be given a chance at redemption rather than the ignoble execution he deserves.
There is a point where players expect to be able to influence their companions, but I argue there should also be a point at which those companions should not bend to your every whim no matter how much they like you. They expect that you like them too, and that this means you should be as willing to do what they want as much as they're willing to do what you want. To not do so turns the character into a sock-puppet for your will, which while very gratifying to the ego wouldn't make for a very human characterization of Alistair.
Is it maddening that he disagrees with you, after having been willing to follow your lead up until that point? Absolutely. I seldom see people actually analyze the situation, however, to determine the level of their betrayal of Alistair as much as his betrayal of them. In my mind, the only thing Alistair does which is unequivocably wrong is when he up and leaves the Wardens once the decision is made. Surely the fate of the world is more important than that? Being human, however, he simply doesn't want to be in the same order that accepts Loghain... and, far more importantly, doesn't want to be near you.
Does finding Alistair drunk in Kirkwall mean he pines for power he never even wanted? Not at all. If that's what you think, I'd venture you're not reading the dialogue. He despairs at what happened, and regrets his decision to leave. He despairs the man he has become compared to what he was, or could have been. Which is pathetic, since he walked away from it, but such is the way of drunks (and forum posters) that self-awareness isn't high on their list of concerns when they're complaining about something.
That is, however, simply my opinion. Regardless of what I intended when I wrote him, people will add their own interpretations to it, and more power to them. I just simply will never respect the person who doesn't own up to the fact that there was an element of selfishness on their own part in betraying Alistair as well.
Maybe there is a little selfishness, but it's one of necessity/pragmatism. If Alistair doesn't understand the logic behind recruiting Loghain, then that's his problem.
As you know, the Wardens value good recruits no matter their deeds or background. Alistair is putting the wardens on a pedestal they neither deserve nor ask for. Even Duncan would have taken Loghain if he was offered to them, because the man understood the necessities of fighting the darkspawn. Heck, even Duncan himself was recruited by the fiancee of the man he murdered.
That Alistair would run away like a whiney little fool when he knows every possible Grey Warden is needed to slay the Archdemon(the alternative being the possible end of the world,) is what is truly selfish. And proves he is a total hypocrite every time he spouted the line "The Grey Wardens do what they must."
Not to mention Alistair should recognize the poetic justice of sending Loghain to his death to slay the Archdemon. I really couldn't think of a better use or punishment for Loghain. It's not atonement or redemption.
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