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[Merilsell]

David Gaider wrote...

I know I contributed to this discussion, but it seems to have veered wildly away from having anything to do with DA3. Unless that happens quickly, the thread will be closed.

How about to move it into the Origins forum, instead of closing it? Imo, this would be more fitting, since there seem to be still (some) discussions going on here, after all  

[LobselVith8]

Hanz54321 wrote...

It's nice to see that Modified Godwin's Law still applies on the BSN. All discussions eventually lead to Loghain.

Loghain is an interesting character, and he's still alive for some people. Warden Loghain is in Orlais, and the protagonist of Inquisition is supposed to visit Orlais. Perhaps the protagonist might run into Loghain. King Alistair mentions he's still alive in Act III, so he hasn't succumbed to the Calling. If a faction in Orlais is serious trying to reclaim Ferelden (as Tegan mentions), I doubt Loghain would do nothing about it.

Hanz54321 wrote...

I read something about Loghain's vow and how we really don't know he won't betray us until we talk in camp and yada yada.

I thought it was pretty clear after he is defeated in the one on one duel that he believes the Warden is the better person to lead Fereldan. He says so, and he accepts his fate. I think it's pretty obvious he's not going to betray the Warden as soon as he concedes the Warden is the man to lead Fereldan against The Blight.

On topic: if someone does not want Alistair as King in DA: Inquisition, then write some fan fic of your own and read it back to yourself. We can't always get what we want.

I don't think Alistair as King will be a mandatory outcome in Inquisition. 

[TEWR]

David Gaider wrote...

I know I contributed to this discussion, but it seems to have veered wildly away from having anything to do with DA3. Unless that happens quickly, the thread will be closed.

Well, you could tells us some stuff about Maric, Alistair, Isabela, the Stenishok, Varric, and other stuff relating to the quest to find the Lost King of Ferelden. 

[Kulyok]

To me, it seems like Alistair does get some preferential treatment as king, almost if the game wants you to make him one. In DA2, Alistair got a cameo, unlike Anora; Alistair got mentioned more, which led to bugs(Aveline mentions "a new king" even if Anora is ruling alone); and if Cousland rules with Anora, Aveline says something like "if they don't like the new king, they'll replace him" - and she never says this if Alistair is king. And, of course, Alistair is the default king in Awakening and the comics.

I'd like to see Anora in DA3, if there are grounds for a Ferelden-related quest, not just Alistair. If the story allows it, of course.

And when it comes to DA-related books and comics, it is very easy for me to understand the frustration of a "hey, why is Alistair king, it's not my canon!" situation, because books are such an integral part of the DA world that it's hard to ignore them, and their lore. To me, it even influenced the outcome of Awakening. Before I read the Calling, the Architect came across as a possible ally, but then I read the book and learned that his plan was to make all people darkspawn hybrids. Thus, my own canon and my own choices changed.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Kulyok wrote...

To me, it seems like Alistair does get some preferential treatment as king, almost if the game wants you to make him one. In DA2, Alistair got a cameo, unlike Anora; Alistair got mentioned more, which led to bugs(Aveline mentions "a new king" even if Anora is ruling alone);

Not necessarily a bug. Anora might have married an unnamed NPC. She still has to produce an heir. Or she might have been deposed. Or assassinated and replaced.

But overall I agree that she hasn't gotten much love. post-DA:O.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Hanz54321 wrote...

On topic: if someone does not want Alistair as King in DA: Inquisition, then write some fan fic of your own and read it back to yourself. We can't always get what we want.

I stayed on topic . . . technically.  If Alistair is king in DA3 people are going to have to accept it.  If they can't, they need to realize that with so many choices in the original game, some will have to be dismissed otherwise the project becomes so cumbersome that the game will never get done.

Which is why I'm willing to accept that there might be no save imports some day. But since the idea seems to be that there will be in this game, I just want to see all those plot decisions respected... one more time, at least.

[wright1978]

Since Alistair isn't king in my game universe i hope the imports continue to reflect this choice in DA Inquisition.

[sylvanaerie]

Sometimes he's king in my games, sometimes he's a grey warden, once he was a drunk. He's never dead, I just can't bring myself to do some things in game, or even watch them on Utube. Doesn't mean i want him back as a companion. But I would like (on the games I put him on the throne) to have him BE the king, even if he's an unseen, miles away kind of king (as he was in DA2 until his cameo). Small mentions here and there is enough to satisfy me, as long as it's consistant. Same with Anora if she rules. I have 3 imports with Queen Anora, 3 imports with King Alistair. None with the two of them married to each other.

Just can't do that to the poor boy. Bad enough he has to be king (which he hates) but to be married to her...nope...not gonna happen.

[Persephone]

David Gaider wrote...

I know I contributed to this discussion, but it seems to have veered wildly away from having anything to do with DA3. Unless that happens quickly, the thread will be closed.

Why not move it to the DAO forum instead? It's in dire need of discussion and Loghain always provides that.

[Persephone]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Just can't do that to the poor boy. Bad enough he has to be king (which he hates) but to be married to her...nope...not gonna happen.

He could do faaaaaaaaaaaaaar worse than her. FAR worse.

[Monica21]

David Gaider wrote...

I know I contributed to this discussion, but it seems to have veered wildly away from having anything to do with DA3. Unless that happens quickly, the thread will be closed.

I'm kind of hoping that the whole "you're betraying Alistair regardless of any other in-game choices I decided to give you" thing will get explained, but I'm not going to hold my breath. Right now it just feels like an attempted rewrite of the Landsmeet (for... reasons?), not to mention all the variances in what the PC's relationship with Alistair can actually be.

[terdferguson123]

While I do believe that Alistair has some qualities that reer their heads later on that are unkingly of him, I think he is a FAR better choice than Anora as a ruler. The lady is so selfish, she throws you to the wolves the second she can, even after you rescue her. She also just reeks of corruption.

Believe me, I think Alistairs annoying tirade during the landsmeet regarding what to do with Loghain was awful too, and I really expected more out of Alistair. But, Anora is not a good alternative in the slightest.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

terdferguson123 wrote...

While I do believe that Alistair has some qualities that reer their heads later on that are unkingly of him, I think he is a FAR better choice than Anora as a ruler. The lady is so selfish, she throws you to the wolves the second she can, even after you rescue her.

Thanks. We hadn't covered this point yet.

She also just reeks of corruption.

I honestly believe she has the best interests of her people in mind. She just doesn't think anyone else can get the job done. In short, she has very human failings.

Believe me, I think Alistairs annoying tirade during the landsmeet regarding what to do with Loghain was awful too, and I really expected more out of Alistair. But, Anora is not a good alternative in the slightest.

Alternative? You can have both at once you know.

[nightcobra]

David Gaider wrote...

I know I contributed to this discussion, but it seems to have veered wildly away from having anything to do with DA3. Unless that happens quickly, the thread will be closed.

Then let me retort with how i made the "sparing loghain" decision while tying with DA3.
Myself i never had the intention of killing Loghain for it is my belief that the death sentence would have been a far more lenient fate than what he deserved, and so i would argue that sparing him so that he may live and pay for his crimes for the remainder of his life would be a far more deserving fate as i see dying in the landsmeet or sacrificing himself to the archdemon to be the easy way out.

i wish i could have showed my reasoning to alistair that instead of giving Loghain the easy way out, i made him:

- live the rest of his life paying for every single soul he damned at Ostagar, carrying that memory and weight for the remainder of his days.
- for every fereldan soldier that died at Ostagar he would save a person at hands of the darkspawn.
- give up his daughter to the brother of the man he betrayed.
- give up his title and land of Gwaren
- and much, much more.

at least he seemed to be friendly again with the warden in Awakening and DA2.

so i'm interested to see or hear about how King Alistair is doing in DA3, as well as Loghain (if he is mentioned)
 

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 01 novembre 2012 - 05:27 .

[Solmanian]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

I know I contributed to this discussion, but it seems to have veered wildly away from having anything to do with DA3. Unless that happens quickly, the thread will be closed.

Then let me retort with how i made the "sparing loghain" decision while tying with DA3.
Myself i never had the intention of killing Loghain for it is my belief that the death sentence would have been a far more lenient fate than what he deserved, and so i would argue that sparing him so that he may live and pay for his crimes for the remainder of his life would be a far more deserving fate as i see dying in the landsmeet or sacrificing himself to the archdemon to be the easy way out.

i wish i could have showed my reasoning to alistair that instead of giving Loghain the easy way out, i made him:

- live the rest of his life paying for every single soul he damned at Ostagar, carrying that memory and weight for the remainder of his days.
- for every fereldan soldier that died at Ostagar he would save a person at hands of the darkspawn.
- give up his daughter to the brother of the man he betrayed.
- give up his title and land of Gwaren
- and much, much more.

at least he seemed to be friendly again with the warden in Awakening and DA2.

so i'm interested to see or hear about how King Alistair is doing in DA3, as well as Loghain (if he is mentioned)
 

Ofcourse he's friendly! you absolved his warcrimes, and allowed him to become a high ranking grey warden! He's probably the warden commander of orlias by now...

[nightcobra]

i was talking about alistair though.

he seemed friendly enough towards the warden in DA:A and DA2.
...and i liked that he returned to being friendly, at least i could imagine he saw my point of view between DA:O and DA2, not liking the decision but coming to terms with it.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 01 novembre 2012 - 05:38 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

nightcobra8928 wrote...


so i'm interested to see or hear about how King Alistair is doing in DA3, as well as Loghain (if he is mentioned)

My impression is that DA3 is set 13 years after DA:O, and that Wardens who join old or get exposed to taint (such as in blood a darkspawn leaks on you) often enough can last a few as five or ten years. We might be hearing a posthumous description of his deeds in Orlais.

[nightcobra]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...


so i'm interested to see or hear about how King Alistair is doing in DA3, as well as Loghain (if he is mentioned)

My impression is that DA3 is set 13 years after DA:O, and that Wardens who join old or get exposed to taint (such as in blood a darkspawn leaks on you) often enough can last a few as five or ten years. We might be hearing a posthumous description of his deeds in Orlais.

alistair in DA:O said it takes 20 to 30 years to succumb to it, more or less.
there's always Avernus experiments, which could stave off the taint effects for a while.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Solmanian wrote...


Ofcourse he's friendly! you absolved his warcrimes, and allowed him to become a high ranking grey warden! He's probably the warden commander of orlias by now...

Actually, he hates being a warden in DAO.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...


so i'm interested to see or hear about how King Alistair is doing in DA3, as well as Loghain (if he is mentioned)

My impression is that DA3 is set 13 years after DA:O, and that Wardens who join old or get exposed to taint (such as in blood a darkspawn leaks on you) often enough can last a few as five or ten years. We might be hearing a posthumous description of his deeds in Orlais.

alistair in DA:O said it takes 20 to 30 years to succumb to it, more or less.

I know, but that's a top end estimate. According to Gaider, you can last that long, if you're lucky.

there's always Avernus experiments, which could stave off the taint effects for a while.

Possible, if Avernus can do it for anyone except himself (he should be able to, but I haven't seen anything definite on that) and if Loghain is exposed to it.

[Nerevar-as]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

alistair in DA:O said it takes 20 to 30 years to succumb to it, more or less.
there's always Avernus experiments, which could stave off the taint effects for a while.

I think it had been stated that the older a Warden is when s/he joins, the less it takes for the Taint corruption to take place. So even if Loghain appears in DA3, he´ll probably be nearing his last days.

[Guns]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Loghain is an interesting character, and he's still alive for some people. Warden Loghain is in Orlais, and the protagonist of Inquisition is supposed to visit Orlais. Perhaps the protagonist might run into Loghain. King Alistair mentions he's still alive in Act III, so he hasn't succumbed to the Calling. If a faction in Orlais is serious trying to reclaim Ferelden (as Tegan mentions), I doubt Loghain would do nothing about it.
 

That all depends on how good of a warden Loghain is. Grey wardens are suppose to abandon their old lives and be politically neutral. Something Alistair didn't really do, which is why my Warden rarely took his contributions/opinions into consideration. 

Hmmm... somehow I don't see Loghain behaving too differently though so you're probably right.

[Fiacre]

Guns wrote...

That all depends on how good of a warden Loghain is. Grey wardens are suppose to abandon their old lives and be politically neutral. Something Alistair didn't really do, which is why my Warden rarely took his contributions/opinions into consideration. 

Hmmm... somehow I don't see Loghain behaving too differently though so you're probably right.

The Warden doesn't have to abandon his former life and can still be successful in stopping the Archdemon. None of mine did, they still singlehandeadly stopped a Blight. so I'm not too worried about Loghain there.


And I do hope he isn't dead by the time of DA3. He's one of the characters I'd love to see again.