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[TheButterflyEffect]

At least Anders doesn't dump your character over stupid crap that he hypocritically withdraws later, but doesn't attempt to get back together with you.

Anders is hot. And he's a mass murderer bad boy. Oh yes.

And he's bi. <3

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 26 octobre 2012 - 09:08 .

[upsettingshorts]

anillee wrote...

I don't understand all the Alistair hate, yet people *love* Anders from DA2. I mean, how can you call ANYONE a whiner if you're not talking about Anders? Holy crap, that guy is awful.

Anders isn't a whiner.  Whiners don't do do anything.  Anders certainly does a lot.  He's an activist, of course he's going to talk about his issue a lot.  But he gets stuff done, too. 

Now Fenris, that's a whiner.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Which is why I also hate Fenris. Bleck.

Bring Zevran back.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

It's the same with an hardened Alistair with an agreement of ruling together before the Landsmeet and with Loghain spared. Though I don't know which one of them is more pissed about how the Loghain's situation was resolved in the two paths. I'd put my bet on Alistair.

They'll still get married though, that's my canon playthrough actually.

Hardened Alistair marries Anora, but angrily leaves the party when Loghain is made a member of the Grey Wardens. 

Loghain dies killing the Archdemon.  Alistair and Anora rule together.

It's totally possible.

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

O.O Really?  What about when she lies when you try to rescue her from the Arl of Denerim's estate, you know when you go to rescue her.  She flat out lies that you are there to save her.  I'd call that a backstabber. 

You mean the part where she says not to tell anyone that it's her in the armor, and you tell Ser Cauthrien that it's Anora in the armor?

Who is betraying who, here?  Oh right it's the Warden.

I never tell Ser Cauthrien it's Anora, there is an option I believe to just say the fight is on, you know....the you'll arrest me over my dead body option!   The quest is called saving the Queen.   I just tell Anora, she is to short to be a guard.

[Masha Potato]

anillee wrote...

In one of my playthroughs, Anora didn't betray me and I left her Queen. Alistair and my warden set out to rebuild the Wardens.

In another, a hardened Alistair seemed to make a good king. *shrug* I guess it's more a matter of personal preference.

I don't understand all the Alistair hate, yet people *love* Anders from DA2. I mean, how can you call ANYONE a whiner if you're not talking about Anders? Holy crap, that guy is awful.

Idk, because Anders actually whines about real issues maybe? 

[Shadow Fox]

anillee wrote...

In one of my playthroughs, Anora didn't betray me and I left her Queen. Alistair and my warden set out to rebuild the Wardens.

In another, a hardened Alistair seemed to make a good king. *shrug* I guess it's more a matter of personal preference.

I don't understand all the Alistair hate, yet people *love* Anders from DA2. I mean, how can you call ANYONE a whiner if you're not talking about Anders? Holy crap, that guy is awful.

I like Alistair I just think he'd make a ****ty king hence I support Anora.

[addiction21]

ArinTheirinCousland wrote...

edit: I didn't see the second part of your post. You don't have to like the Grey Wardens but a lot of men and women lost their lives because Logain betrayed their King.

And joing the wardens is not a death sentance? One kept a secret from the general population and those recruits. Recruits that come willingly or are forced into service.
The Wardens are no better or worse the Loghain. They serve their own needs regardless of your morals.

[Terrorize69]

hhh89 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...


I know, great right?  Even bigger mystery!

What sounds better..

- Person you didn't like stabbed, and manages to survive the wound.

or

- Person you didn't like beheaded, lives to tell the tale.

In a world of magic and divine powers, I'm certainly looking forward to it. It futher adds to the fact that Leliana may be a reincarnation of Andraste

They'll not going to make a different outcome for people that cut her head, since I doubt there's a way to import this. And you final suggestion (which we discussed in another thread) will make me laugh for an entire day (for the idiocy, not because I like the idea).
Though I'd have like to have the option to kill her, if she's Andraste's reincarnation. I'm curious to see how pissed the Maker will be and what will be his reaction.

Who said they will need to do a different outcome? She'll be alive regardless with a few lines changes just like in DA2/

It's not a suggestion, its speculation, and honestly... do you not think hearing the Makers voice and surviving a beheading is kinda of a big hint that theres something very special about her in relation to the Maker?

[anillee]

LOL different strokes for different folks, I guess. I much rather deal with Alistair than Anders any day of the week. And I actually romanced him!

I'd rather drink bleach than deal with Anders, personally.

I hate Fenris, too. I actually got to kill him, and I can't say I felt the least bit bad about it. *evil cackle*

In all future playthroughs, I'm just going to have my warden be with Isabella.

EDIT: NOT WARDEN, HAWKE HERP DERP 

Modifié par anillee, 26 octobre 2012 - 09:22 .

[The Elder King]

Terrorize69 wrote...



It's not a suggestion, its speculation, and honestly... do you not think hearing the Makers voice and surviving a beheading is kinda of a big hint that theres something very special about her in relation to the Maker?

The beheading wasn't intended, and the role of Leliana in DA2 wasn't probably considered during DAO's development. If they had already an idea of Leliana's role in DA2, they wouldn't have let us kill her, or at least in a way that the death is certain. Again, they're not going to explain that Leliana survived the cut of ther head from her body. They're going to explain that Leliana survived the fight with the Warden (and it will probably related to Andraste's ashes, or maybe someone in the writing team watch Supernatural).
And she never said that she heard the Maker's voice. She said that she though that the Maker was sending her a message with that dream, which is different thing.
And hearing some voice in you head has another explanation, which is applicable on both our world and DA world: madness.
In the end, I'm not saying that there's a way to explain that Leliana is Andraste's reincarnation. I'm sure that Bioware will provide an explanation for this. I'm just saying that regardless the explanation, I think it's a stupid and bad idea. Anders already fit the trope of a Dark Messiah, and Andraste fit the trope of the Messiah. I'd like to not have another, or even a reincarnation of the previous one.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

@ hhh89, I'd come closer to saying someone used the ashes to heal her and since it was done off screen it could have been anyone. So I don't believe that she is Andraste. It could have been Brother Genitivi, he did say he wanted to study more about the tomb, and he was planning on going back, so this is who I think healed Leliana with the ashes. Brother Genitivi would have recognized her as being a member of your war party.   Leliana could have had a twin also, and one we didn't know about.  The only things we really know about her is that she used to be a bard and was caught up with Marjolean.  We don't know if she was a noble at one time or a commoner.   Bards do lie when it suits them.

I'd come closer to saying that Flemeth is Andraste more so than any character in the game. At least for me.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 26 octobre 2012 - 09:50 .

[SeptimusMagistos]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Ignoring the fact that she asks you not to let them know who she is?You're pretty much selling her out in an attempt to save your own ass.

Hey look someone else actually paid attention to that scene, fancy that!

By doing that you demonstrate to Anora that you're either an idiot who can't follow instructions or someone who can't be trusted, or both.

Let me get this straight:

She gets captured and asks our side to rescue her in exchange for her cooperation. We mount a rescue as opposed to a thousand other things we could be doing. And then she wants a chance to say she's not on our side?

And I'm the one who's stupid?

Yeah, after sabotaging my Warden's attempt to calmly defuse the situation by pointing out he was rescuing a prisoner from Howe (which didn't even involve mentioning she was conspiring against Loghain) she expects him to keep helping her. She then proceeds to lie about the conditions for her vote. If she'd been honest and said she would only support the vote if she was made queen and Loghain was spared, there is a small chance I might have considered it. As it is? not a chance. She doesn't honor deals, she betrays people who help her while they're helping her and then expects them to keep helping, and she's a lying liar who lies. Ferelden deserves a smarter ruler.

[TheButterflyEffect]

He's still a hypocrite who dumps the PC over utterly idiotic crap, and his attempts to show "remorse" later are utterly pathetic and nauseating.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

He's still a hypocrite who dumps the PC over utterly idiotic crap, and his attempts to show "remorse" later are utterly pathetic and nauseating.

Well ya gotta love someone and this includes their faults. 

Now my Dalish Female Elf, flat out told Alistair, she was cool and told him, no biggie since we were just two people who had a one-night stand!  LOL!  She got a Alistair disapproves, LMAO.

[Nashimura]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

@ hhh89, I'd come closer to saying someone used the ashes to heal her and since it was done off screen it could have been anyone. So I don't believe that she is Andraste. It could have been Brother Genitivi, he did say he wanted to study more about the tomb, and he was planning on going back, so this is who I think healed Leliana with the ashes. Brother Genitivi would have recognized her as being a member of your war party.

But the only reason you kill her is because she attacks you for defiling the ashes, rendering them unusable. If you try to destroy them before taking some the game makes sure to inform you that you did take some before pouring the blood on the ashes.

[Leomerya12]

Monica21 wrote...

I don't know who this "Alitair" is.

+1.

[LPPrince]

Christ, I thought the thread title was "King Altaîr".

Definitely need AC3. Anyway, carry on.

Modifié par LPPrince, 27 octobre 2012 - 02:03 .

[Palipride47]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

...Why the hell did they make the worst ending decision in DAO canon.

...I want that whining, childish, s**t for brains little twit to stay dead. Anora is a bajillion times better.

If he was exiled and shows up drunk at the Hanged Man in Kirkwall, he whinges about his losing his "princely status". The hell? I thought he just wanted to be normal, wanted absolutely nothing to do with the fact that his Dad was a king. He even dumps his so-called "beloved" over it.

What a c**t..

STOP! MAKING! THESE!

[Melca36]

It is NOT confirmed and its already been said MANY times that Comic books are NOT canon to the games and should be considered an AU/Separate entity!

[Palipride47]

Melca36 wrote...

It is NOT confirmed and its already been said MANY times that Comic books are NOT canon to the games and should be considered an AU/Separate entity!

It's a troll. 

Don't feed it. 

[Harle Cerulean]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

anillee wrote...

I don't understand all the Alistair hate, yet people *love* Anders from DA2. I mean, how can you call ANYONE a whiner if you're not talking about Anders? Holy crap, that guy is awful.

Anders isn't a whiner.  Whiners don't do do anything.  Anders certainly does a lot.  He's an activist, of course he's going to talk about his issue a lot.  But he gets stuff done, too. 

Now Fenris, that's a whiner.

Ah, there it is - the reason I was saying to myself, "Upsettingshorts telling someone to grow some empathy?  That, Alanis, is irony."

Modifié par Harle Cerulean, 27 octobre 2012 - 03:55 .

[Monica21]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Now Fenris, that's a whiner.

+ 1 billion. If it weren't for my OCD game playing tendency, I'd never accept the quest.

[AlexanderCousland]

Anora betrays you. < load of crap

She will only leave you to Cauthrien if your warden is coward enough to surrender, or has low Coercion Skill. On top of that, if your warden does surrender, she will tell eamon & friends immediately, Betrayal would mean she would leave you in captivity without notifying anyone.

Alistair Is a Train Wreck with Daddy issues who governs with his Emotions, Not qualities of a strong King, furthemore Fereldan is safer with a person who has actually ruled for 5 years. Blood of Calenhad my nipples, Theirin's are not Targeryen's. If that's what Gaider's aiming for he should have made Alistair a harder man, like Lohgain. Im inclined to beleive Queen-Consorts of Alistair have the balls in the relationship.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

Vicious wrote...

There IS canon like it or not. It's just cherry picked so people don't get TOO mad. Example: Wynne dies in Asunder.

Both Wynne and Alistair can die in Dragon Age: Origins. That makes pretty much any expanded universe material non-canonical.

[Nashimura]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

Vicious wrote...

There IS canon like it or not. It's just cherry picked so people don't get TOO mad. Example: Wynne dies in Asunder.

Both Wynne and Alistair can die in Dragon Age: Origins. That makes pretty much any expanded universe material non-canonical.

I would call it biowares canon, you have your own if you are importing saves.